Agnes
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Setanta wrote on Mar 2 nd, 2018 at 12:36am: Agnes wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 4:06pm: Agnes wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 3:48pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 3:37pm: Agnes wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 2:37pm: Black Orchid wrote on Feb 28 th, 2018 at 1:30pm: No Gweggy the bizarre logic comes from those who happily eat their slab of red, juicy, sliced meat without once thinking that the animal has suffered from distress, trauma, terror and worse for days, or weeks, before it ends up on your plate.
A clean shot to the head or heart by a hunter, intending to use it for food, is more humane and the hunter more deserving than the yuppies who sit around enjoying their steak and sipping their wine whilst criticising others, without one ounce of regard for the animal they are chowing down on. A shot to the heart isn't clean- the head yes-intensive farming practices/ slaughter houses/animal transport methods are places of terror and cruelty for animals! Agree Quote:A heart shot is clean if done right it also takes out both lungs which are either side of the heart. done right and that is a very dubious/uncertain method - a head shot is much more reliable as you can actually see the head- between they eyes if you are that good- is better- Quote:I think it's Victoria which now has mobile abattoirs so the animals don't have to be transported.
well thats good but but tell that to the thousands of sheep trucked through here every year at the height of summer bound for Adelaide abbottoirs Quote:The Australian government says heart and lung shots are the most humane way of shooting
[/color] The lungs are on either side of the heart so a side on shot will take out both lungs that is what i meant by if done right, from front on it's not likely to take both lungs. When a human has low blood pressure they faint, a heart shot means the animal will have no blood pressure which means they drop and don't get back up. For some animals the brain is a lot smaller than the heart, with a cross wind the projectile can get carried sideways the further the distance for the shot the further is gets carried. My father was a professional shooter he mostly went for heart, with side on shots the heart is preferable if the animal is facing you then head shot would be the go. A link with target areas- https://www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/180212_SOP_FOX003_web.pd...As for mobile abattoirs they're fairly new I think they will become more common. I was a prof shooter Baron and worked with another professional shooter- the heart is too small of a target to be used as a reliable kill method in the dark with a spotlight- the target is way too small the size if a child fist and not visible to the naked eye- your father most likely executed a lot of gut shots I would say- shooting through the head is the most humane way and its instant- Don't forget Agnes, bullets don't just go straight through. When hunting you don't use FMJ military ammo. I used to load my own so I am well aware of that
The bullets are frangible, meaning they mushroom and break on impact.
But only if they impact bone
The damage inside is not a single hole but more a shotgun effect after penetration. Use the right round. For instance using the right projectile for fox shooting in .17 Hornet or Hornady HMR will not leave an exit wound. The bullet breaks up inside the animal and mashes the heart/lungs. Even if you didn't hit the heart, that is not a gut shot, it's a chest shot, it rips their lungs out Jim(Warren Zevon ref). Like I said I used to load and measure my own powder/bullets ( .17 - 250 etc)- so none of this is lost on me- wind trajectory/drop etc- it is a science really- I only ever executed head shots- the only humane way for a painless quick kill- (my only reference is me- I still have my guns )
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