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There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:49am
 
Critique of religion is a fundamental Western right, not an illness.

In 1910, a French editor in the colonial ministry, Alain Quellien, published The Muslim Policy in West Africa. This work, addressed to specialists, is one of measured praise for the religion of the Koran, a “practical and indulgent” religion, better adapted to indigenous peoples, while Christianity is “too complicated, too abstract, too austere for the rudimentary and materialist mentality of the Negro.”

Seeing Islam as a civilizing force that “removes peoples from fetishism and its degrading practices” and thus facilitates European penetration, the author calls for an end to prejudices that equate this confession with barbarism and fanaticism, castigating the “Islamophobia” prevalent among colonial personnel. What is needed, on the contrary, is to tolerate Islam and to treat it impartially.

Quellien was writing as an administrator, concerned with order. Why demonize a religion that keeps peace in the empire, whatever may be the abuses, which he considers minor, of which it is guilty—that is, slavery and polygamy? Since Islam is the best ally of colonialism, believers must be protected from the nefarious influence of modern ideas; their way of life must be respected.

Maurice Delafosse, a colonial administrator living in Dakar, writes at about the same time: “Whatever may say those for whom Islamophobia is a principle of indigenous administration, France has nothing more to fear from Muslims in West Africa than from non-Muslims.” He adds: “Islamophobia therefore serves no purpose in West Africa.”

The term “Islamophobia” probably existed before these bureaucrats of the empire used it. Still, this language remained rare until the late 1980s, when the word was transformed little by little into a political tool, under the pressure of British Muslims reacting to the fatwa that the Ayatollah Khomeini had pronounced against novelist Salman Rushdie, following his publication of The Satanic Verses. With its fluid meaning, the word “Islamophobia” amalgamates two very different concepts: the persecution of believers, which is a crime; and the critique of religion, which is a right.

A newcomer in the semantic field of antiracism, this term has the ambition of making Islam untouchable by placing it on the same level as anti-Semitism.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
I won't “quoth” you, Raven, but I am sure your post will fall on deaf ears. That is because, in the face of the ugly facts and statistics of Islamic fanaticism, the accusation of Islamophobia is the last resort of so-called, and self-congratulating, liberals.

That liberal train of thought is based on humanism, and due to its ongoing opposition to conservative views, liberalism has had its hands full for more than a century. It was caught off guard when conservative Islam began a string of atrocities in the 1990s, which continue. The liberal point of view suddenly found itself defending Islam on the grounds of multiculturalism, and abhorring Islam's blood lust.

The perception that the Western public is protected from fanatical Islam by our laws, allowed liberals the luxury of pontificating from their long assumed moral high ground. However, the frequency of atrocities by Muzlims in the West caused a shift in public opinion away from the moral assurances of liberalism. To counter this effect liberals, progressives, and humanists have fallen back on the simple expedient of accusing their critics of phobias, or irrational fears. “Islamophobia” was perfectly suited for the media as it has a pseudo-academic tone which liberals have always cultivated. Brian Ross being a perfect example.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 10:31am
 
I have come to the conclusion  Islamphobia  is  a lefty slogan  used when they havent got an argument for what Liberals claim is atrocities ... they merely say 

ohhhhhhh but its only a few...dont worry about them  you have nothing to fear.....




makes sense to some!
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 10:48am
 
cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 10:31am:
I have come to the conclusion  Islamphobia  is  a lefty slogan  used when they havent got an argument for what Liberals claim is atrocities ... they merely say 

ohhhhhhh but its only a few...dont worry about them  you have nothing to fear.....

makes sense to some!


Makes sense to the sensible, Cods.   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:27am
 
Phobias are not a race.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am
 
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #6 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:40am
 

On this 'ISLAM-o-PHOBIA' thing.

'ISLAM-o-PHOBIA'        isn't a 'phobia' darling.



ARGUMENT;

It can be demonstrated and established,     that ISLAM religiously requires that persons who are 'disbelievers', be reviled by moslems, and be ostracised [by moslems] from the broader [local] community.

Dictionary;
ostracize = = exclude from a society or group. banish (a citizen) from a city for five or ten years by popular vote.


It can be demonstrated and established,     that the principle precept in mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine and law, both,
1/ makes legal,
2/ and encourages the murder of those persons who are deemed to be 'disbelievers'.


It can be argued, that there is widespread acceptance within        every        mainstream moslem community,
that mainstream ISLAM teaches, that when a follower of ISLAM kills a disbeliever ['in the cause of Allah'], that the follower of ISLAM has performed an act of religious virtue.


If it can be demonstrated and established [and it can!],
that all moslems are moslems ["i am a follower of ISLAM"],
and that all moslems have embraced a latent 'religious' desire [in order to curry favour with Allah] to murder those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe,
.....then fear of ISLAM and fear of the followers of ISLAM,          isn't a 'phobia' darling.




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PROOFS, EVIDENCE.....



Let us first establish and confirm,        that apex measure, of the stature and the religious respect,           that is afforded to Mohammed ['the Messenger of Allah'], within all of ISLAM, and within every moslem community...


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [Mohammed] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."
Koran 33.021



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Showing the ISLAMIC 'LEGAL' [lawful] measures that Mohammed himself, sanctioned, and authorised, in order to protect the 'integrity' of ISLAM...

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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THE RELIGIOUSLY REQUIRED OSTRACISM, BY MOSLEMS, OF EVERY 'DISBELIEVER'


ISLAM PROMOTES COMMUNITY DIVISION AND THE SOCIAL ALIENATION OF EVERY 'DISBELIEVER'       [unless a person submits to ISLAM's own strictures - e.g. like agreeing to the murdering of those who reject ISLAM's authority]


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




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It can be argued, that there is a widespread acceptance within        every        mainstream moslem community,
that when a follower of ISLAM kills a disbeliever ['in the cause of Allah'],      that the follower of ISLAM has performed an act of religious virtue.



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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005


......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.





Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”



these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #7 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:40am
 


PROOFS, EVIDENCE [continued].....





Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a follower of ISLAM in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







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Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."




Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0



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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #8 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:53am
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.



'ISLAM-o-PHOBIA' is used to cloak the real threats and the real criminal violence which is promoted and encouraged, by a vile religion.



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IMAGE...
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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters


QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.


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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #10 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

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Reply #11 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.    Roll Eyes


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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #12 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.    Roll Eyes




So you've got no issues with it. At least we know where you stand.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #13 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.    Roll Eyes


So you've got no issues with it. At least we know where you stand.


Now, talk about putting words into another's mouth, Gordon.  Stop erecting your strawman arguments, please.   It's silly and it doesn't work with me.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #14 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm
 
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄
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Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified to provide a judgement on your mental health, Lisa.

My yawning and "tsk, tsk'ing" is more because of boredom with people like you who refuse to debate the issue of Islam and Muslims, sensibly, preferring to exhibit your ad hominem arguments.   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified.....Lisa.



Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.
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Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified.....Lisa.



Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.


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Thanks for demonstrating my point for me, Lisa.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:52pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified.....Lisa.



Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.


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Oh you're MORE than welcome Bwian 😂😂😂😂
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #19 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:35pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:52pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified.....Lisa.



Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.


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Thanks.... Roll Eyes


Oh you're MORE than welcome Bwian 😂😂😂😂



you know lisa   when I find someone boring....I dont have to post a yawn   I avoid....you know the ones I mean   they are like a stuck record repeat repeat repeat...to the point of utter  borzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Reply #20 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:52pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


No one is qualified.....Lisa.



Well YOU certainly aren't. You're a freaking insane cyber multi troll for starters.


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Oh you're MORE than welcome Bwian 😂😂😂😂

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.


Is that the best you can do Charlatan?
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Justsayno wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.


Is that the best you can do Charlatan?


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, no.  Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.
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Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #25 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.



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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
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Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Anyone know what Bwian's constant YAWNING and TSK TSK TSKING is all about?

I would particularly like to hear from a Mental Health Expert 😱😂🙄


narcolepsy?
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #27 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:31pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.


Are you secretly a Muslim, a follower of Islam, Soren?  Afterall, you keep making these comments about Allah and his will.

Me, I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.  Seems sensible to me.  Not what some sky fairy is claimed to believe in.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #28 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:31pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.


Are you secretly a Muslim, a follower of Islam, Soren?  Afterall, you keep making these comments about Allah and his will.

Me, I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.  Seems sensible to me.  Not what some sky fairy is claimed to believe in.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Oh? You 'believe in evolution',  do you, Bwian? And the prophet Darwin?  And honourary doctorate? In divinity? And distinguished military career? And? And? What other idiocy are you going to self-reveal? Keep talking.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #29 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:31pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.


Are you secretly a Muslim, a follower of Islam, Soren?  Afterall, you keep making these comments about Allah and his will.

Me, I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.  Seems sensible to me.  Not what some sky fairy is claimed to believe in.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Oh? You 'believe in evolution',  do you, Bwian? And the prophet Darwin?  And honourary doctorate? In divinity? And distinguished military career? And? And? What other idiocy are you going to self-reveal? Keep talking.


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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #30 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:31pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Justsayno wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 9:00am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk,


You must be embarrassed Brian.

Found out to be a fake and your alter egos not here to run shepard.

It appears it is the best you can do troll.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  I have no idea why you even bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes

Of course you have no idea. That's what you are here for - to represent all who have no ideas.
You are the vast majority, law abiding 'no idea' community's spokesman, Brian. Your role in creation.  That's what Allah put you on earth for.


Are you secretly a Muslim, a follower of Islam, Soren?  Afterall, you keep making these comments about Allah and his will.

Me, I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.  Seems sensible to me.  Not what some sky fairy is claimed to believe in.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Oh? You 'believe in evolution',  do you, Bwian? And the prophet Darwin?  And honourary doctorate? In divinity? And distinguished military career? And? And? What other idiocy are you going to self-reveal? Keep talking.


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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #31 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
My yawning and "tsk, tsk'ing" is more because of boredom with people like you who refuse to debate the issue of Islam and Muslims, sensibly, preferring to exhibit your ad hominem arguments.   Roll Eyes


You're a hypocrite bwian you hurl ad hominems like Islamphobia and refuse to debate anyone on this topic.

The ex muslim from Iran Ali Sina on the ad hominem you hurl called Islamophobia.
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"Islamophobia" is ad hominem

One friend alerted me to a discussion going on in Wikipedia on the neologism  “Islamophobia”. Someone has suggested that this category should be deleted because the term Islamophobia is divisive, inflammatory and it is frequently used to inhibit very valid criticism of Islam.    

Islam is an ideology. Rejection of an ideology cannot be classified as phobia. To call the opponents of an ideology phobic is a fallacy. All ideologies have their critics and opponents but we do not hear Christians calling the critics of Christianity Christianophobe, communists calling their critics communitophobe or Hindus calling theirs hinduphobe. The term "Islamophobia" is both technically and logically incorrect and misleading.

According to Dictionary.com Phobia is “a persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.”  Therefore the neologism "Islamophobia" implies that Islam is not dangerous and the fear of it is irrational. 

This claim has not been established and it is not universally agreed upon. There are many who argue that Islam is indeed a dangerous ideology and they have their logical arguments to prove their claim. Irrespective of whether the critics of Islam are right or wrong about whether Islam is dangerous or not, calling them “phobic” implies that their criticism has been already refuted and the irrationality of their fear of Islamic threat has been established. Therefore their disagreement with Islam is not logical but a mental disorder. 

 All ideologies have their opponents. It is sheer arrogance to call criticism of any ideology, phobia. This implies that the truth of that ideology is already established and anyone opposing it is adopting an irrational position and is in need of psychological help. 
Only Muslims are capable of this much irrationality and arrogance. We all recall Muhammad Abdullah, the Afghani man who converted to Christianity and who was facing execution. When the government of Afghanistan was pressured to release him, to save face they accused him of being insane and not fit to stand trial. In the mind of Muslims only an insane person would disagree with Islam. This is sheer arrogance. 

Buddhism is by all accounts a peaceful religion as non-violence is the core of it. Despite that Buddhism has its critics and we never call then Buddhistphobes.  
 
The neologism Islamophobia makes absolutely no sense. It is derogatory and is used in a pejorative way to discredit the critics of Islam from the outset.  
Phobia is a disorder. Here is a short list of a few phobias: Achluophobia or Lygophobia (fear of darkness), Acrophobia, (fear of heights), Androphobia (fear of men), Aviatophobia (fear of flying), Chiraptophobia (fear of being touched), Claustrophobia (fear of confined spaces), Coitophobia (fear of coitus), Decidophobia (fear of making decisions),  Agrophobia or Demophobia (fear of crowds), Eleutherophobia (fear of freedom), Gynophobia (fear of women), Hadephobia (fear of hell -this is the phobia affecting all the Muslims), Hylophobia (fear of forests),  Insectophobia, (fear of insects), Isolophobia (fear of solitude, being alone), Necrophobia, (fear of death or dead things), Neophobia (fear of anything new), Phasmophobia, (fear of ghosts), Philophobia, (fear of falling in love or being in love), Xenophobia, (fear of strangers or foreigners), etc. (For more see this)

How can criticism of Islam fall into this category? These are all irrational fears that require therapy. Are Muslims suggesting that the critics of Islam should receive therapy? We can’t classify disagreement with Islam as phobia. Islam is an ideology. Phobia is irrational fear of things, people or situations but not beliefs. You can't be phobic of a belief system. Beliefs per se are not frightening. It's people who follow nefarious beliefs that become dangerous and frightening. As one can see, the very term "Islamophobia" is stupid because Islam is a belief system and it is not possible to be phobic of a belief. From whichever angle you look at Islam you find its stupidity glaring at you.  
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Can you refute anything Ali Sina says about the ad hominem you hurl bwian?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #32 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.



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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #33 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #34 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 8:07pm
 
Quote:
There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia


Islamophobia

noun
[mass noun]


Dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #35 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 8:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.





Yes, but do you go for Herbie's football team?

That's the true measure of your assimilation, old boy.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #36 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 9:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are a believer, incomprehending mince in treacle.
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Reply #37 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 10:03pm
 
You've warned him haven't you, G?

He's so obedient.
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Reply #38 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 10:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are a believer, incomprehending mince in treacle.


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Yes, yes, Soren, I'm a believer.  I believe you're an Islamophobe.  Seek help immediately.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #39 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:48am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You 'BELIEVE' in natural science, ox-eyed yokel.  You don't  understand, comprehend it, you believe it like everything else beyond your dithering mental grasp.
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Reply #40 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 3:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You 'BELIEVE' in natural science, ox-eyed yokel.  You don't  understand, comprehend it, you believe it like everything else beyond your dithering mental grasp.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren, you don't understand the scientific method do you?   I believe that the theory of Evolution, as propounded by Charles Darwin and modified by his successors is still the best explanation of how life occurs and is modified by it's environment.  Tsk, tsk, I do not believe some sky fairy created the world in six days and had a smoko afterwards to celebrate.   Unlike you.  Now, run along.  I'm sure there are some grade ones you can bully in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #41 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 8:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You 'BELIEVE' in natural science, ox-eyed yokel.  You don't  understand, comprehend it, you believe it like everything else beyond your dithering mental grasp.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren, you don't understand the scientific method do you?  


Oh, that's where you test a proposition through rigorous research and fact-checking, have it reviewed by your peers, and present your findings, isn't it?

I'm not sure the old boy gets that one. He doesn't assimilate until he becomes a grandfather.

He'll get it eventually, i'm sure.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #42 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 6:27am
 
Right. There's no problem with Muzlims. Its all in your head.

BBC: Marseille, France today,

"Soldiers on guard at the station shot dead the attacker, who police described as of North African appearance and aged about 30. Witnesses said he shouted "Allahu akbar" (God is greatest).
One victim had her throat slit and the other was stabbed in the stomach. They were aged 17 and 20."
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Reply #43 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 4:43am
 
Let's break it down.

There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Let's imagine some concentric circles.

At the centre we have jihadists, people who wake up in the morning wanting to kill apostates, take as many of us out as they can, believe in paradise and martyrdom.

Outside of them we have Islamists, these are people who are just as convinced of martyrdom and paradise and who want to foist their religion on the rest of humanity but they want to work within the system. They are not going to blow themselves up or drive a truck through a crowd. They want to change governments, they want to use democracy against itself.

Those two circles probably represent around 20% of the Muslim world. And that's being generous.

78% of British Muslims believed that the Danish cartoonist should have been prosecuted.

Outside of that circle you have conservative Muslims, who can honestly look at, say ISIS, and say "that does not represent us and we are horrified by that" but they hold views about human rights and about women and about homosexuals, that are deeply troubling.

These are not jihadists or Islamists but they keep women and homosexuals immiserated in these cultures and we need to speak out to empower the true reformers in the muslim world to change it.

The last circle is nominal Muslims, they don't take the faith seriously, don't want to kill apostates and hate organisations like ISIS. These are the people we need to defend, prop up and let them reform Islam.


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Reply #44 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
How do you reform a religion that is responsible globally for the top twenty four odd listed terror organizations?

How do you reform the evil in islamic doctrine which directly states that the muslim killers are the highest grade of muslims?

The qur'an (the cause and motivation of islamic depravity) is declared to be infallible and unchangeable.

Genuine reform means that allah, muhammad and the qur'an all got it wrong, so islam would implode.

This is the sticking point, as all muslims and their leftard apologists prefer the status quo of, bloodshed death and destruction, to honest reformation.

When I see muslims and their apologists honestly criticizing the verses of evil in the qur'an, then I will take the moderate muslim critique as being unfeigned, till then it's all just apologetic crap for islamic terrorism.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #45 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
moses wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
How do you reform a religion that is responsible globally for the top twenty four odd listed terror organizations?

How do you reform the evil in islamic doctrine which directly states that the muslim killers are the highest grade of muslims?


Which list are you going off, Moses? The one I found lists the top 3 as the IRA, The Lord's Resistance Army and the Naxalites (Indian Maoists). FARC in Collumbia is also up there, as is the non-Islamic Kurdistan Worker's Party.

I would have thought ISIS or al Nusra would top the list, but there you go. http://www.theclever.com/top-15-most-dangerous-terrorist-organizations-in-the-wo...

Kunning, no?
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Reply #46 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
Speaking of 'Kunning.....?'

Huh
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Reply #47 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
karnal wrote: Reply #45 - Today at 3:04pm

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from our own Australian National Security site

Listed terrorist organisations

*Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014

*Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

*Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Ansar al-Islam
Formerly known as Ansar al-Sunna—Listed 27 March 2003, re-listed 27 March 2005, 24 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

*Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

*Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

*Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

*Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

*Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

*Jaish-e-Mohammed
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015
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Poor little moses.

"Top 15 Most Dangerous Terrorist Organizations in the World".
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moses wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
karnal wrote: Reply #45 - Today at 3:04pm

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Which list are you going off, Moses?


from our own Australian National Security site

Listed terrorist organisations

*Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014

*Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

*Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Ansar al-Islam
Formerly known as Ansar al-Sunna—Listed 27 March 2003, re-listed 27 March 2005, 24 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

*Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

*Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

*Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

*Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

*Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

*Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

*Jaish-e-Mohammed
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

*Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

*Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

*Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015


That's in alphabetical order, Moses, but thanks for the reply.
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gee whiz, seems nationalsecurity.gov.au accidentally left out the Israeli and Saudi governments. An innocent oversight I'm sure.
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When are you going to honestly address the cause and motivation of islamic terrorism gandalf?

Stop crying and playing the victim card, the cause is in the verses of the qur'an, as muhammad revealed them as the new tenets of the old moon god allah.
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moses wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
When are you going to honestly address the cause and motivation of islamic terrorism gandalf?

Stop crying and playing the victim card, the cause is in the verses of the qur'an, as muhammad revealed them as the new tenets of the old moon god allah.


Apologist.

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A phobia is an irrational fear. A fear backed by logic and understanding is common sense.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
A phobia is an irrational fear. A fear backed by logic and understanding is common sense.


Islamophobe apologist.

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gee whiz, seems nationalsecurity.gov.au accidentally left out the Israeli and Saudi governments. An innocent oversight I'm sure.


So did Uncle and Mother. Uncanny.

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
A phobia is an irrational fear. A fear backed by logic and understanding is common sense.


Islamophobe apologist.



Pedophile?
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Reply #57 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:28am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


What are your thoughts on Wahabisim?

I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.    Roll Eyes



Grin Grin Grin


The empty-headed pedant raises his thick head.

Explain, Bwian, why the original Arabic requires it to be transcribed with a double h. Obviously a very important distinction for an apologist for fundamentalists like you.



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Reply #58 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:40am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
moses wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
How do you reform a religion that is responsible globally for the top twenty four odd listed terror organizations?

How do you reform the evil in islamic doctrine which directly states that the muslim killers are the highest grade of muslims?


Which list are you going off, Moses? The one I found lists the top 3 as the IRA, The Lord's Resistance Army and the Naxalites (Indian Maoists). FARC in Collumbia is also up there, as is the non-Islamic Kurdistan Worker's Party.

I would have thought ISIS or al Nusra would top the list, but there you go. theclever.com/top-15-most-dangerous-terrorist-organizations-in-the-world/

Kunning, no?


And yet when you look at the top 10 "thetoptens.com/terrorist-groups/"

Then you look at the top 5 "nationalinterest.org/feature/washington-watching-the-5-deadliest-terrorist-grou
ps-the-11687"

Strange that.
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Reply #59 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 9:53am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Where did I use the word "prophet" in connection with "Charles Darwin", Soren?  Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother, I really don't.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe in Evolution as propounded by Charles Darwin.

Your words, Big Thick.


So a Natural Scientist, propounding a scientific theory is a "Prophet" in your mind, Soren?

Tsk, tsk, you claim to be a modern, enlightened, Westerner and you cannot tell the difference between science and religion. 


Have a good look at this Charlatan.

"a person who advocates or speaks in a visionary way about a new cause or theory."

That is from a dictionary Brian, ever heard of them?
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Reply #60 - Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am
 
issuevoter wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 10:22am:
I won't “quoth” you, Raven, but I am sure your post will fall on deaf ears. That is because, in the face of the ugly facts and statistics of Islamic fanaticism, the accusation of Islamophobia is the last resort of so-called, and self-congratulating, liberals.

That liberal train of thought is based on humanism, and due to its ongoing opposition to conservative views, liberalism has had its hands full for more than a century. It was caught off guard when conservative Islam began a string of atrocities in the 1990s, which continue. The liberal point of view suddenly found itself defending Islam on the grounds of multiculturalism, and abhorring Islam's blood lust.

The perception that the Western public is protected from fanatical Islam by our laws, allowed liberals the luxury of pontificating from their long assumed moral high ground. However, the frequency of atrocities by Muzlims in the West caused a shift in public opinion away from the moral assurances of liberalism. To counter this effect liberals, progressives, and humanists have fallen back on the simple expedient of accusing their critics of phobias, or irrational fears. “Islamophobia” was perfectly suited for the media as it has a pseudo-academic tone which liberals have always cultivated. Brian Ross being a perfect example.


You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis.

The thing that all fundamentalist Religions have in common is that they believe that they are gods chosen and are better than everyone else. Fundamentalist Jews attempt to stone people for working on the Sabbath.  Fundamentalist Christians blow up abortion clinics and assassinate doctors who perform abortions. Fundamentalist Muslims will attempt to make Jihad on the west. The west however cannot claim to have clean hands.

Historically
Algeria 1952 war of Independence with France
Iran 1953 U.S. Backed Coup that installed the Shah
Egypt 1956 British French and Israeli forces invade Egypt
Iraq 1990 perceived double standards by Islamic nations as western coalition  invades Iraq.
Since the establishment of the United Nations, It is a well established Principle that a nation cannot expand it's borders through war. It does not matter if you are the attacker or the defender territories captured as a result war must be handed back.Unless you are Israel.

The first Iraq war was pursued because Saddam Huessan refused to withdraw from Kuwait. The Arab world points a finger in Israel's direction and wonders when the rules will apply there. The point is one does not need to be a religious fanatic in the Middle East to hold some resentment in relation to actions of western Governments.

Perhaps just as the American Battle Hymn of the republic

Quote:
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.


Seeks to rally the troops in that God is on their side, the call for Jihad seeks to rally the faithful to a political cause. Either way I am equally fearful of all fundamentalist religions.

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Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 8:28am:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Islamophobia is used to cloak a vile religion.


Christianity?  Couldn't agree more, Gordon.   Roll Eyes


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I know it's actually spelt, "Wahhabism", Gordon.    Roll Eyes



Grin Grin Grin


The empty-headed pedant raises his thick head.

Explain, Bwian, why the original Arabic requires it to be transcribed with a double h. Obviously a very important distinction for an apologist for fundamentalists like you.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You resent someone suggesting that someone else should use the correct transliteration in the spelling of "Wahhabism"?  Tsk, tsk, such antipathy, Soren.  Resenting that I've proved you wrong about your beliefs about "race", again?   Roll Eyes
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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam.


Indeed. But wait till see FD's
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polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam.


Indeed. But wait till see FD's


Indeed. The Roman and British empires were virtuous bastions of freedom and democracy, only to succumb to the devious clutches of Islam.

It'll happen to us too if we don't convert to Freeeeeedom (TM).
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polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Indeed. But wait till see FD's


Indeed. The Roman and British empires were virtuous bastions of freedom and democracy, only to succumb to the devious clutches of Islam.

It'll happen to us too if we don't convert to Freeeeeedom (TM).



Muslim countries have independence from evil enlightenment. Keep Muslim where they are, in their own happy and halal little Muslim countries.  Why are they fleeing Islam for the terrible oppressive West? What makes them want to come to the 'oppressors', the' 'racists', the 'I-slam-o-phobes'??

Sooo terrible - yet they keep coming. Why?  Either because Islam is an unbearable way to organise a society - or they are Islamic invaders who indeed what to subjugate the West.  If the former, they would want to assimilate and shed thee medieval madness of Mohammed. If the latter, they would want to stick out like dogs' balls at every opportunity and agitate against the West - just like you clowns do all the time.



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Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Indeed. But wait till see FD's


Indeed. The Roman and British empires were virtuous bastions of freedom and democracy, only to succumb to the devious clutches of Islam.

It'll happen to us too if we don't convert to Freeeeeedom (TM).


Muslim countries have independence from evil enlightenment. Keep Muslim where they are, in their own happy and halal little Muslim countries.  Why are they fleeing Islam for the terrible oppressive West? What makes them want to come to the 'oppressors', the' 'racists', the 'I-slam-o-phobes'??

Sooo terrible - yet they keep coming. Why?  Either because Islam is an unbearable way to organise a society - or they are Islamic invaders who indeed what to subjugate the West.  If the former, they would want to assimilate and shed thee medieval madness of Mohammed. If the latter, they would want to stick out like dogs' balls at every opportunity and agitate against the West - just like you clowns do all the time.

You are wanking each other indeed.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk,tsk, still thinking Muslims all think the same, react the same, worship their religion the same.   Run along, Soren, run along.  I am sure there are some grade ones you can bully in the schoolyard if you look hard enough...   Roll Eyes


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Shure, Brian, but the old boy's right that we're all w@nking each other here.
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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain. What we think of as the west today is the bit that Islam failed to destroy. For most of that history Europe was trying to stop Muslims raiding it for sex slaves. They were only succesful in this fairly recently.

That you try to equate setting up democracy in Iraq with the centuries of rape and pillage just demonstrates your inability to put it into perspective. It is pretty much the opposite. When the Muslims attacked, they were there to stay, and to destroy what was previously a relatively liberal way of life.
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You see?

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Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes


China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes


China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.


Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so.  Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods).  Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:40am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes


China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.


Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so.  Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods).  Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.    Roll Eyes


FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.
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FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.


What a bizarre definition.  No one else does that.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #75 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:40am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes


China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.


Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so.  Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods).  Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.    Roll Eyes


FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.


He must have used it by occident.


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Reply #76 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:40am:
FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.


What a bizarre definition.  No one else does that.   Roll Eyes

No - it's a typical lazy , easy misrepresentation we have come to expect from gandalf.

He compares the West to China, he doesn't say that the West starts at the western border of China. 

Only an idiot like Bwian would credulously leap on such a misrepresentation to eagerly show off his stupidity he imagines as learning.



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China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.
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Reply #78 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:40am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes


China only became the wealthiest region on earth after the west had stagnated under Islam for several centuries. This was the first time in the 10000 years of human civilisation that the leading civilisation was outside of the western core. Still, the Chinese only managed to achieve similar living standards to what had been over 1000 years earlier under the Romans. Despite the previous example set by the Romans in the same place, the concurrent example set by the Chinese, and the biggest land empire the world had ever seen, the Muslims only achieved stagnation and oppression.


Muslims did not rule the West, FD, no matter how you attempt to paint it so.  Muslims only ruled the middle-east and the periphery of Europe (for short periods).  Europe was ruled by Europeans for most of it's history.    Roll Eyes


FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.


You are confused Gandalf. Morris offers a very detailed explanation, along with justifications. It certainly isn't everything west of China to the atlantic. Just because Muslims destroyed most of western civilisation does not mean we should redefine the history of this civilisation prior to Islam.
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Reply #79 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:40am:
FD is using Ian Morris's model of "the west" which is basically everything west of China to the atlantic.


What a bizarre definition.  No one else does that.   Roll Eyes

No - it's a typical lazy , easy misrepresentation we have come to expect from gandalf.

He compares the West to China, he doesn't say that the West starts at the western border of China. 

Only an idiot like Bwian would credulously leap on such a misrepresentation to eagerly show off his stupidity he imagines as learning.


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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


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You are confused Gandalf. Morris offers a very detailed explanation, along with justifications. It certainly isn't everything west of China to the atlantic. Just because Muslims destroyed most of western civilisation does not mean we should redefine the history of this civilisation prior to Islam.


"Most of western civilisation" as defined by Morris, I take it?   Provide us with the definition that Morris uses, please, FD.   I'd be interested to see how "the West" has been extended South-East into the Middle-East and North Africa...    Roll Eyes
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You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.
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Reply #83 - Oct 16th, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
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You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian.


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You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.


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You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian.


2% of it should suffice right?
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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Produce some evidence, JSN.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You made the about claim about China Brian lets have your evidence.
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Reply #87 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
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You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.


And of course he doesn't make an effort to explain why it's "centre" shifted, I take it, FD?  Funny about how the centre shifted well before the arising of Islam, now isn't it?  I assume he doesn't take into account the efforts of the Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian and Persian Empires and that the "west" according to your explanation of his theory was Oriental, not European at all?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are aware that he is merely a lone historian and that his views run counter to the accepted norm of that profession?

I'll see if my library has a copy of his work.   
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Reply #88 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm
 
Justsayno wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Produce some evidence, JSN.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You made the about claim about China Brian lets have your evidence.


No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:54pm
 
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freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes

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Reply #90 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 9:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:38am:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian. He provides a causal lineage linking the civilisation that began in Iraq, then whose centre shifted to Iran, Egypt, Rome, London, New York.


Ah, so in other words, basically everything west of China to the Atlantic.


You are confused Gandalf. Did you even read what you quoted?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:38am:
freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
You are welcome to read the book for yourself Brian.


2% of it should suffice right?


Probably much less than 2%. I'd suggest reading the bit where he explains what he means by east and west. I'm not going to harp on about your credibility on interpreting his explanation of that just because you don't read the rest of the book. That would be silly, wouldn't it Gandalf?

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And of course he doesn't make an effort to explain why it's "centre" shifted, I take it, FD?


Yes he does Brian. It is one of the core theses of the book. Why do you say such silly things?

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Funny about how the centre shifted well before the arising of Islam, now isn't it?


Are you trying to make a point Brian? Or just laughing at your own ignorance?

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You are aware that he is merely a lone historian and that his views run counter to the accepted norm of that profession?


I doubt you know what his views are or what the accepted norm is. Run away now. I'd hate to see you get bullied just because you sprout and endless stream of idiotic nonsense.

Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?


Despite being a self confessed expert on history (among many topics), Brian still struggles with concepts like 'before' and 'after'.
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Muzlim religious fanatics killed 74 in Afghanistan today. Sure, Islam is just like any other culture, we all kill people for God.
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Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


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No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"

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Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"

PS who is jsn.


You just asked me about Matty.

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Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?


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I doubt you know what his views are or what the accepted norm is. Run away now. I'd hate to see you get bullied just because you sprout and endless stream of idiotic nonsense.


If it is "nonsense", you should have no trouble disproving it, FD.  What?  No evidence, no argument other than your usual ad hominem nonsense?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Despite being a self confessed expert on history (among many topics), Brian still struggles with concepts like 'before' and 'after'.


Do I, FD?  Tsk, tsk. run along.  I see you've started another thread.  Trying to bully me doesn't work, FD.    Roll Eyes
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Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"


Now, here, FD is someone who doesn't understand who was on first...   Roll Eyes

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #98 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
I doubt you know what his views are or what the accepted norm is. Run away now. I'd hate to see you get bullied just because you sprout and endless stream of idiotic nonsense.


If it is "nonsense", you should have no trouble disproving it, FD.  What?  No evidence, no argument other than your usual ad hominem nonsense?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



You posted something idiotic. Again. You cannot back it up. Again. You can't expect to be taken seriously demanding others disprove your endless stream of gibberish.

This is the level you have to sink to in order to defend Islam.
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Reply #99 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"


Now, here, FD is someone who doesn't understand who was on first... 

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PS who is jsn.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.


You have made claims, now prove them or go to your hovel with your tail between your legs.

No more of your ad hom brian, as it just goes to prove you do NOT have a university education. Charlatan, put up or clear off Brian.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #100 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?


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Stupidity, then. As usual.

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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #101 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 6:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
I doubt you know what his views are or what the accepted norm is. Run away now. I'd hate to see you get bullied just because you sprout and endless stream of idiotic nonsense.


If it is "nonsense", you should have no trouble disproving it, FD.  What?  No evidence, no argument other than your usual ad hominem nonsense?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



You posted something idiotic. Again. You cannot back it up. Again. You can't expect to be taken seriously demanding others disprove your endless stream of gibberish.

This is the level you have to sink to in order to defend Islam.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  If it is "nonsense", you should have no trouble disproving it, FD.  What?  No evidence, no argument other than your usual ad hominem nonsense?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #102 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:25pm
 
Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"


Now, here, FD is someone who doesn't understand who was on first... 

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PS who is jsn.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.


You have made claims, now prove them or go to your hovel with your tail between your legs.

No more of your ad hom brian, as it just goes to prove you do NOT have a university education. Charlatan, put up or clear off Brian.



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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #103 - Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:25am:
Lastone wrote on Oct 14th, 2017 at 11:37am:
You paint a wonderful picture of the west being a chased and virtuous virgin being raped and abused by evil Islam. Shame it is a bit of a fantasy and that the west has been a bit of a slut and whore. The most recent example being the weapons of mass deception and the second Iraq war. Which has as direct consequence the creation of Isis. 


That is literally what happened. Remember, when Islam came onto the scene, the west was the wealthiest region on earth and stretched from Iraq to Spain.


Another piece of bullshit, FD.  Tsk, tsk, China was the wealthiest region on Earth.  Europe was in the doldrums, just having left the Dark Ages.   Under Roman rule, Europe, coupled with Northern Africa and the Middle East was even then, less wealthy than China.    Roll Eyes

Evidence, big thick? Or just stupidity from you, again?


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Tsk tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes


Stupidity, then. As usual.



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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #104 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 8:32am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 3:19pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
China was the wealthiest region on Earth

I know you claim you studied history, must have been Australian eh Brian for until the 1500 mark India was the wealthiest nation on Earth. Shame about that.
You should stick to Australian History as its a lot shorter and you may be able to retain a semblance of cognizance, but I doubt it.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
No.  I challenged yours first, JSN.  Cough up or shut up.


Oh No you poor little man I challenged you first so in your own words "Cough up or shut up"


Now, here, FD is someone who doesn't understand who was on first... 

Quote:
PS who is jsn.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.


You have made claims, now prove them or go to your hovel with your tail between your legs.

No more of your ad hom brian, as it just goes to prove you do NOT have a university education. Charlatan, put up or clear off Brian.





Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk.  Run along, .   Run along.   


QED, no university education eh Brian.
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #105 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?
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Reply #106 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?


FD, did your parents tell you the difference between outright lies and the truth when you were growing up?   Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #107 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?


FD, did your parents tell you the difference between outright lies and the truth when you were growing up?   Roll Eyes



Yeah - that's why I asked you for evidence for your assertion about China - to be able to tell the difference between lies and truth.



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Reply #108 - Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?


FD, did your parents tell you the difference between outright lies and the truth when you were growing up?   Roll Eyes



Yeah - that's why I asked you for evidence for your assertion about China - to be able to tell the difference between lies and truth.


Sore, when you discover the polite button on your keyboard, I might answer your questions.

You do know how to use Google, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #109 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:09pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves.


Is this known as "crapophobia" Brian?

None, on this forum are as blind as You.
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Reply #110 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
Justsayno wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves.


Is this known as "crapophobia" Brian?

None, on this forum are as blind as You.


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Reply #111 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:21pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves.


Is this known as "crapophobia" Brian?

None, on this forum are as blind as You.




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Move along folks, move along.  Nothing worth looking at here, nothing at all.  It's just JSN using ad huminem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   


More crapophobia from the charlatan.
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Reply #112 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Justsayno wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
Justsayno wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves.


Is this known as "crapophobia" Brian?

None, on this forum are as blind as You.




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Move along folks, move along.  Nothing worth looking at here, nothing at all.  It's just JSN using ad huminem insults.  Tsk, tsk.   


More crapophobia from the charlatan.


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Reply #113 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?


FD, did your parents tell you the difference between outright lies and the truth when you were growing up?   Roll Eyes



Yeah - that's why I asked you for evidence for your assertion about China - to be able to tell the difference between lies and truth.


Sore, when you discover the polite button on your keyboard, I might answer your questions.

You do know how to use Google, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't think google is going to help people figure out why Brian can't tell the difference between before and after.
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Reply #114 - Oct 20th, 2017 at 7:20pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Brian did they teach you the meaning of words like 'before' and 'after' when you did your history degree?


FD, did your parents tell you the difference between outright lies and the truth when you were growing up?   Roll Eyes



Yeah - that's why I asked you for evidence for your assertion about China - to be able to tell the difference between lies and truth.


Sore, when you discover the polite button on your keyboard, I might answer your questions.

You do know how to use Google, don't you?  Tsk, tsk, none are so blind as those that will not see and will not do any research themselves...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't think google is going to help people figure out why Brian can't tell the difference between before and after.


Who claimed that was a function of Google?

I suppose you and the other Islamophobes can just fall back on your Islamophobia to tell you right from wrong, correct, FD?    Roll Eyes
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Re: There’s No Such Thing as Islamophobia
Reply #115 - Mar 7th, 2024 at 10:04am
 
In Britain, phobia is hardly the right word for any fear Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses, might feel. Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the former secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: ‘Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him. His mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.’ A Muslim who is losing his faith would have good reason to fear the penalty for apostasy, which is death. When I taxed Sir Iqbal with this on television, he said, ‘It’s very rarely enforced’. That’s good to hear. But a would-be apostate doesn’t have to be ‘phobic’ to still feel a reasonable fear.

The All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims’ definition of Islamophobia, which was published in 2018, begins with the statement that it’s a form of racism. In a new paper for the Free Speech Union, Tim Dieppe makes the obvious point that Islam is not a race, and he very well develops the inconsistencies that this remarkable solecism leads to.

I would make one further observation. A religion is something you can convert to, or opt out of. Your race isn’t like that. You can’t convert to a race or leave it. The fact that you can’t leave your race means that, if Islam is indeed a race, apostasy is literally impossible. Yet apostasy has to be possible in Islam or it couldn’t be punishable by death. So the statement that Islamophobia is a form of racism is more than just incorrect. It contradicts a fundamental, and incidentally obnoxious, tenet of Islam.

Here I have not considered the issue of freedom of speech. Tim Dieppe covers it so well that I have nothing to add, except this final thought. If ‘Islamophobia’ becomes punishable by law, will it be illegal to even state, as a matter of fact, that a woman in some Islamic countries can be stoned to death for the crime of speaking to a man other than her husband? Will I be arrested for stating the undenied fact that apostasy carries the death penalty?

If so, bring it on. I look forward to defending myself in court.
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Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist and author. The above is an edited version of his introduction to the Free Speech Union’s latest briefing paper, Banning Islamophobia: Blasphemy Law by the Backdoor.
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