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Sep 21st, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
Australia needs pay rise: ACTU campaign kicks off   Smiley

ACTU secretary Sally McManus said the capacity of employers to use the Fair Work Act to terminate agreements was contributing to record low private sector wages growth.

    The Australian
    September 21, 2017


ACTU secretary Sally McManus will today launch a national “change the rules” campaign designed to win public support for pro-worker changes to the Fair Work Act.   Smiley

Ms McManus will kick off the campaign in Perth tonight, briefing union delegates ahead of workers across the country being surveyed over the next six weeks about what changes they want to the workplace laws.

“The pendulum had swung too far toward big business and Australia needs a pay rise,’’ she said. 

“We need to change the rules at work so working people can’t be held to ransom by bad employers who will use loopholes to cancel agreements, cut pay and slash conditions.”

Ms McManus said workers across Western Australia have had their pay and conditions stripped by laws that allow companies to terminate enterprise agreements, keep wages low, cut penalty rates, and support mass casualisation and wage theft.   Sad

“Maintenance workers at Griffith Coal had their EBA axed in 2016 and had their pay slashed by more than 40%, while staff at Murdoch University will have their pay cut next week after the university spent almost $3 million on legal fees so it could reduce their wages,’’ she said.

She said the capacity of employers to use the Fair Work Act to terminate agreements was contributing to record low private sector wages growth.

“It’s a really serious way that wages are being depressed and it’s because even if you are not seeing agreements being cancelled, employers are threatening it at the bargaining table,’’ she told The Australian.   Sad

“That’s immediately shifted power to them and putting workers under pressure to accept substandard wage rises.

“So we believe it’s in the national interest for this to be fixed as soon as possible. Secondly, we don’t believe anyone foresaw this with the Fair Work Act. It was never the intention of the Fair Work Act and it’s actually a problem that should be fixed and the Turnbull Government should be making it a priority.

She said the bargaining system need to have integrity and “at least, ensure employers are not given the button to the nuclear option of terminating agreements and cutting wages by 30 per cent”.

The ACTU will use the responses from the national survey of workers to identify the union movement’s priorities for change.

Ms McManus has previously said her chief priorities were to grow the union movement and strengthen the rights of workers. She has said she would lead a union campaign for major changes to the Fair Work Act and put “demands” on the political parties in the lead up to the next federal election.

As well as reduce the bargaining power of employers, unions want to ease legal restrictions on strikes and limit the use of casuals and labour hire. “

“Union members will be meeting across the country — in town hall meetings and workplaces — so they can change the rules and make their work fair and decent,’’ Ms McManus said.   Smiley

“We can only do this if working people get involved. We are inviting any worker who wants to be a part of this campaign to join us.
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Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
Sally said it was OK to break the law. Why shouldn't big business do the same, on Sally's advice of course.
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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:25pm
 
Did sally not say it was OK to break the law, if they were unjust,unfair laws?.   Sad   
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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:28pm
 
And regular as Laxettes the ultra Lefty BlackDay pumps out the latest GetUp! hysterical activist extremist propaganda.
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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:28pm:
And regular as Laxettes the ultra Lefty BlackDay pumps out the latest GetUp! hysterical activist extremist propaganda.


A non-reply.  Because it is indefensible i suppose.
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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:42pm
 
A politically correct mind thrown into disarray by exposure of the seamy side of Lefty activist extremism.

And the deeply corrupt unions as revealed in the TURC CONTROL EVERY ASPECT of the LABOR PARTY!!!!!
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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 9:17pm
 
Just another reason why Australia needs a change of government at the next election. With conservatives in power for 14 out of the last 20 years, it's time for change.
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Reply #7 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:04pm
 
Now whining about pensions etc being a future disaster - they should have thought about then when they ruined the industrial relations landscape and gave bosses too much control and power.  People like me booted out at 48 and struggling are happy to be a burden on the economy forever now... left alone we could have had a sufficient nest egg for comfort...

Same applies to affirmative action and a heap of other 'social' policies unthought out fully, like throw away marriage and take away kids and the rights of everyone else but Australian men - without that many people would have a lot more to get by on in retirement.

Own goals for forty years now... dumb as... they can foot the bill now and take it like men......

The ONLY real option to save a sinking economy is to tax big business properly for a change..... no more freebies and handouts....
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Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:24pm
 
salad in wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 3:56pm:
Sally said it was OK to break the law. Why shouldn't big business do the same, on Sally's advice of course.


Sally is a clueless gimp. Do you seriously expect anything else. Wages are down because total factor productivity is down and has been on the slip for nearly two decades.. All the jumping up and down and whinging will not see a reversal. Positive productivity growth and only positive productivity growth will see the downward spiral of wages diminution reverse. Sally needs a decent macro textbook.
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Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:04pm:
Now whining about pensions etc being a future disaster - they should have thought about then when they ruined the industrial relations landscape and gave bosses too much control and power.  People like me booted out at 48 and struggling are happy to be a burden on the economy forever now... left alone we could have had a sufficient nest egg for comfort...

Same applies to affirmative action and a heap of other 'social' policies unthought out fully, like throw away marriage and take away kids and the rights of everyone else but Australian men - without that many people would have a lot more to get by on in retirement.

Own goals for forty years now... dumb as... they can foot the bill now and take it like men......

The ONLY real option to save a sinking economy is to tax big business properly for a change..... no more freebies and handouts....


Sorry Grapples but you're as bad as Sally. Wages growth is a factor of productivity growth and not the tax pie. If anything, taxes need to come down not up. While productivity is on the slip you advocate more tax. I suggest you use that top 2% of IQ you claim and have a serious think about that.

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Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 1:04am
 
crocodile wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:04pm:
Now whining about pensions etc being a future disaster - they should have thought about then when they ruined the industrial relations landscape and gave bosses too much control and power.  People like me booted out at 48 and struggling are happy to be a burden on the economy forever now... left alone we could have had a sufficient nest egg for comfort...

Same applies to affirmative action and a heap of other 'social' policies unthought out fully, like throw away marriage and take away kids and the rights of everyone else but Australian men - without that many people would have a lot more to get by on in retirement.

Own goals for forty years now... dumb as... they can foot the bill now and take it like men......

The ONLY real option to save a sinking economy is to tax big business properly for a change..... no more freebies and handouts....


Sorry Grapples but you're as bad as Sally. Wages growth is a factor of productivity growth and not the tax pie. If anything, taxes need to come down not up. While productivity is on the slip you advocate more tax. I suggest you use that top 2% of IQ you claim and have a serious think about that.



As usual your theory is good - but the long term realities speak differently.  Put simply - you can't have your cake and eat it, too.  You either provide an environment in which business and workers can prosper, and thus the nation as a whole, or you pay the piper forty years down the track.  What you can NOT do is complain when your policies have created the very situation you complain about.

Pay the piper.. and do so with a smile on your face.

Tomorrow will be worse....
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Reply #11 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 6:27am
 
Is this the same halfwit who said it's okay for the Unions to break the law?
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Reply #12 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 7:34am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 1:04am:
crocodile wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:04pm:
Now whining about pensions etc being a future disaster - they should have thought about then when they ruined the industrial relations landscape and gave bosses too much control and power.  People like me booted out at 48 and struggling are happy to be a burden on the economy forever now... left alone we could have had a sufficient nest egg for comfort...

Same applies to affirmative action and a heap of other 'social' policies unthought out fully, like throw away marriage and take away kids and the rights of everyone else but Australian men - without that many people would have a lot more to get by on in retirement.

Own goals for forty years now... dumb as... they can foot the bill now and take it like men......

The ONLY real option to save a sinking economy is to tax big business properly for a change..... no more freebies and handouts....


Sorry Grapples but you're as bad as Sally. Wages growth is a factor of productivity growth and not the tax pie. If anything, taxes need to come down not up. While productivity is on the slip you advocate more tax. I suggest you use that top 2% of IQ you claim and have a serious think about that.



As usual your theory is good - but the long term realities speak differently.  Put simply - you can't have your cake and eat it, too.  You either provide an environment in which business and workers can prosper, and thus the nation as a whole, or you pay the piper forty years down the track.  What you can NOT do is complain when your policies have created the very situation you complain about.

Pay the piper.. and do so with a smile on your face.

Tomorrow will be worse....


Pay the piper for what exactly ? The realities have panned out precisely as expected. On this very board, I've been pointing out for years where national productivity is headed and what the consequences would be. Turns out that the 'Ol Croc was spot on.

You are correct in saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Militant demands for more wages while productivity goes backwards may work in an isolated case or two but only at the expense of others or to the employment rate. Forcing the owners of capital to lower margins will see either capital flight or exacerbation of the productivity decline with decreased investment.

It doesn't matter which way you look at it. First and foremost, this is solely a productivity problem.
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Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 8:10am
 
the problem with big business is that the leaders of big business do not fulfil their duties as alphas.

no one minds the boss making more money
no one minds the boss having a bigger office.

we accept the priveledges of the alpha.

but with those priveledges come responsibilities.

back in the day, the alpha got the best girls, the best meat but in return , when danger came , it was the alpha who was expected to sacrifice himself and go confront the sabre tooth tiger and keep everyone safe.

leadership and rank comes with an obligation.

this is the social contract.

so when a company faces danger, it is the leader who needs to sacrifice himself.

we dont see this in big business.

the leaders dont fall on their swords and protect the tribe of workers when they face danger.
in fact, they are more likely to sacrifice their workers and keep expecting the perks of being the alpha.

they are false alphas, they are false leaders. and there is a deep resentment of a leader who runs away from his obligations.

small business is a far better paradigm.

when a small business faces danger, the leader cant really just sacrifice the team and stay in priveledge for long. he gets detroyed if the team goes down. he does carry the burden of this.

hence why small business is crucial to our success.

big business leaders and most drone like workers arent leaders and they should not be supported as leaders.

we need to support small business leaders and they will fulfil the time honoured social contract and we all move up
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Reply #14 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 2:56pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 6:27am:
Is this the same halfwit who said it's okay for the Unions to break the law?

You sound like the kind of person who would have told Indians during British rule to shut up and pay the British tax on salt.
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