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Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?
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Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

To respond, for the umpteenth tedious time, to your question - because marriage is defined as between a man and a woman - what the SSM YES lobby are seeking is inclusion, not equality, since they have equality already as regards marriage - any man may marry any woman and vice versa, and gays/lesbians etc have been doing so for centuries.  The ONLY Right associated with the decision to Marry is to not be compelled to marry.the 'right to marry the person of your choice' is not open-ended, since it is bound by the definition above.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't directly affect anyone else - obviously it does in many cases, but let's leave that for now - the fact is that ssm does not fit the millennia old definition of marriage.

Now how many times am I going to have to explain that?

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Reply #2 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..

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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:16pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..



If you're asking my view, I think that marriage equality is about the principal of 'equality under law'. Marriage is certainly a legal institution, and by denying homosexual couples the choice to marry, this is denying them equal protection under the law.

Maybe people have expressed their views, but I want to know how it affects you as an individual? Will you wake up every morning questioning your own marriage?
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Reply #4 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?


I couldn't give a fig about the sanctity of marriage and in principle I'm OK with SSM, but I'm concerned with the way the yes campaign is being conducted and branding/labeling anyone with a different view.

It's cultural Marxism and the gays are the meat in the sandwich.
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Reply #5 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Marriage is the recognition of a special bond between man and woman! Using that word to describe anything else devalues it, the church and so Western Civilisation!
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Reply #6 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.
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Reply #7 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:20pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Marriage is the recognition of a special bond between man and woman! Using that word to describe anything else devalues it, the church and so Western Civilisation!


Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults who have legal recognition under the law.

I'll meet you halfway here: you support the abolition of legal marriage in favour of civil unions and I'll agree to let churches define marriage how they want. Deal?
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Reply #8 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Marriage is the recognition of a special bond between man and woman! Using that word to describe anything else devalues it, the church and so Western Civilisation!


Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults who have legal recognition under the law.

I'll meet you halfway here: you support the abolition of legal marriage in favour of civil unions and I'll agree to let churches define marriage how they want. Deal?

No deal: you just want to devalue the word 'marriage'.....
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Reply #9 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:26pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

To respond, for the umpteenth tedious time, to your question - because marriage is defined as between a man and a woman - what the SSM YES lobby are seeking is inclusion, not equality, since they have equality already as regards marriage - any man may marry any woman and vice versa, and gays/lesbians etc have been doing so for centuries.  The ONLY Right associated with the decision to Marry is to not be compelled to marry.the 'right to marry the person of your choice' is not open-ended, since it is bound by the definition above.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't directly affect anyone else - obviously it does in many cases, but let's leave that for now - the fact is that ssm does not fit the millennia old definition of marriage.

Now how many times am I going to have to explain that?



The emancipation of women does not fit the millennia old expectation of women in society. Does this mean that women shouldnt work?
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Reply #10 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Marriage is the recognition of a special bond between man and woman! Using that word to describe anything else devalues it, the church and so Western Civilisation!


Marriage is a contract between two consenting adults who have legal recognition under the law.

I'll meet you halfway here: you support the abolition of legal marriage in favour of civil unions and I'll agree to let churches define marriage how they want. Deal?

No deal: you just want to devalue the word 'marriage'.....


By allowing churches define what marriage is? Marriage is traditionally defined as a once-in-a-lifetime commitment (unless one or the other dies), does that mean that any person who remarries has an invalid marriage? What about a person who commits adultery and then remarries his/her adulterer? Should that be considered marriage?
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Reply #11 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
the reality is  marriage is the reason for creating  children...


how will they explain   man with man women with women ..  how can you use the other sex to fulfil a gratification.....they shun them yet they use them..

isnt there a conflict there somehow.... Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:32pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

To respond, for the umpteenth tedious time, to your question - because marriage is defined as between a man and a woman - what the SSM YES lobby are seeking is inclusion, not equality, since they have equality already as regards marriage - any man may marry any woman and vice versa, and gays/lesbians etc have been doing so for centuries.  The ONLY Right associated with the decision to Marry is to not be compelled to marry.the 'right to marry the person of your choice' is not open-ended, since it is bound by the definition above.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't directly affect anyone else - obviously it does in many cases, but let's leave that for now - the fact is that ssm does not fit the millennia old definition of marriage.

Now how many times am I going to have to explain that?



Second to that, traditionally, marriage was defined as an eternal union between a man and woman. Does that mean that if a man or woman remarries (unless his/her husband/wife has died), does that still comply with the millennia old definition of marriage? What is a person commits adultery, and then marries her/her adulterer? Is that still defined as marriage? What if a couple get married but don't have children (not because they can't but because they don't want to), should it still be considered 'marriage'?

Marriage has also traditionally been a religious institution. Does that mean that if a Christian and Muslim marry each other (without one converting to other) that they're technically not married?
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Reply #13 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
the reality is  marriage is the reason for creating  children...


how will they explain   man with man women with women ..  how can you use the other sex to fulfil a gratification.....they shun them yet they use them..

isnt there a conflict there somehow.... Cheesy Cheesy


So, if a heterosexual couple get married and don't have children by choice, is that marriage still valid? What if a man divorces his wife with whom he has had 3 kids to marry a younger woman for the sake of pleasure? Is that still marriage?
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Reply #14 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:36pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
the reality is  marriage is the reason for creating  children...


how will they explain   man with man women with women ..  how can you use the other sex to fulfil a gratification.....they shun them yet they use them..

isnt there a conflict there somehow.... Cheesy Cheesy


So, if a heterosexual couple get married and don't have children by choice, is that marriage still valid? What if a man divorces his wife with whom he has had 3 kids to marry a younger woman for the sake of pleasure? Is that still marriage?




duh?..     it doesnt matter a man and a women will still procreate which is the main intention....


it you put all the gays on a special island   no IVF what would they all do to become parents... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

do you think anyone would swap partners....?  or would they all stick to their  truth of being gay and lyal..
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Reply #15 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:36pm
 
I love my dog.....why can't  people just respect that ? Embarrassed
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Francis wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
I love my dog.....why can't  people just respect that ? Embarrassed



does he love you???....you cant force yourself on anyone or thing frances   we will find this out when we get the legislation.. Wink Wink
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Reply #17 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm
 
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to heterosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.
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cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
the reality is  marriage is the reason for creating  children...


how will they explain   man with man women with women ..  how can you use the other sex to fulfil a gratification.....they shun them yet they use them..

isnt there a conflict there somehow.... Cheesy Cheesy


So, if a heterosexual couple get married and don't have children by choice, is that marriage still valid? What if a man divorces his wife with whom he has had 3 kids to marry a younger woman for the sake of pleasure? Is that still marriage?




duh?..     it doesnt matter a man and a women will still procreate which is the main intention....


it you put all the gays on a special island   no IVF what would they all do to become parents... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

do you think anyone would swap partners....?  or would they all stick to their  truth of being gay and lyal..


But, if they don't have children, then by your definition it's not marriage.

I'm willing to agree with this, if you support the legal abolition of marriage, implement civil unions, and allow churches to define marriage. That way, a church can choose to not to 'marry' divorcees or annul marriages if they don't produce children.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?
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I will agree that there has always been a traditional definition of marriage, which:

- a union of a man and woman before the eyes of God
- the union is til 'death do us part'
- the union must be sanctified by the church.
- a person of one religion can only marry a person of the same religion;
- the marriage must result in children (except in the case of medical condition).

If you agree that:

- a divorce(e) cannot re-marry
- an adulterer cannot re-marry
- a marriage that does not produce children can be retroactively nullified by the church/state.
- inter-faith marriages are illegal.

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Reply #21 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:05pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?


Homo's advances were slighted once by a man he fell in love with. He turned his back on love and has lived with his mother ever since.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?


Homo's advances were slighted once by a man he fell in love with. He turned his back on love and has lived with his mother ever since.

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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?

The biologies/physiologies of the two genders are designed to accommodate the physical act for the purpose of child birth. Same sex couplings aren't so designed. Don't blame me; I didn't make the rules.
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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?


Homo's advances were slighted once by a man he fell in love with. He turned his back on love and has lived with his mother ever since.

"...All men are pigs,.. All men are pigs ..."



I like all pigs.... I dont like all men  though  Sad
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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
the reality is  marriage is the reason for creating  children...


how will they explain   man with man women with women ..  how can you use the other sex to fulfil a gratification.....they shun them yet they use them..

isnt there a conflict there somehow.... Cheesy Cheesy


So, if a heterosexual couple get married and don't have children by choice, is that marriage still valid? What if a man divorces his wife with whom he has had 3 kids to marry a younger woman for the sake of pleasure? Is that still marriage?




duh?..     it doesnt matter a man and a women will still procreate which is the main intention....


it you put all the gays on a special island   no IVF what would they all do to become parents... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

do you think anyone would swap partners....?  or would they all stick to their  truth of being gay and lyal..


But, if they don't have children, then by your definition it's not marriage.

I'm willing to agree with this, if you support the legal abolition of marriage, implement civil unions, and allow churches to define marriage. That way, a church can choose to not to 'marry' divorcees or annul marriages if they don't produce children.



not at all if its in the register its a marriage..

marriage was  the reason to procreate    it doesnt happen to everyone..but that doesnt mean they are not married.......BY LAW.....

dont forget these laws are manmade...


words do not change anything  AUgustus    all it does is make you think its changed...

civil union is marriage   why should the word marriage be obliterated????......to suit a minority group?.....


would they change civil union to marriage   if they were the majority????????....


Roll Eyes

I think the legislation will have to mention   the Churchs rights to marry or not to marry....

I will wait until I see it......
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:18pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?

The biologies/physiologies of the two genders are designed to accommodate the physical act for the purpose of child birth. Same sex couplings aren't so designed. Don't blame me; I didn't make the rules.


So, you believe that the ability to procreate makes a heterosexual couple more superior? What if they don't have children?
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cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:41pm:
civil union is marriage   why should the word marriage be obliterated????......to suit a minority group?.....


Civil union is not marriage. If it were then why don't conservatives oppose the use of the word 'Civil Union' for same-sex couples? Marriage is a religious definition - it means the intertwining of a man and a woman under God for the purpose of procreation. Churches should be allowed fully to enforce these principals. I don't believe that adulterers should remarry; but the Government forces down my throat the definition of marriage as being allowed to be married twice or three times. This is not marriage. Marriage is once in a lifetime. If you stuff it up, then that's it. You only get one chance.
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Reply #28 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
That's irrelevant. The design of the human body is more copacetic to male/female intimacy. Procreation is the goal, although the function of sexuality is still apparent between a man and woman without it.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
That's irrelevant. The design of the human body is more copacetic to male/female intimacy. Procreation is the goal, although the function of sexuality is still apparent between a man and woman without it.


If procreation were the goal, why did God make it pleasurable?
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cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:29pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
The Waffen SSM point out that the whole debate is about equality. Homosexuality is inferior to homosexuality; and our laws and institutions should reflect that while still being tolerant and compassionate.


Why is it inferior?


Homo's advances were slighted once by a man he fell in love with. He turned his back on love and has lived with his mother ever since.

"...All men are pigs,.. All men are pigs ..."



I like all pigs.... I dont like all men  though  Sad


Every normal person loves pigs
Bacon, pork, ham, etc, etc.

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I will be voting NO because marriage is for a man and a women.

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Reply #32 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
That's irrelevant. The design of the human body is more copacetic to male/female intimacy. Procreation is the goal, although the function of sexuality is still apparent between a man and woman without it.


If procreation were the goal, why did God make it pleasurable?


Study Darwin's ' 'theory of natural selection.'
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Should we ban woman who are baron or men who are sterile from getting married, after all marriage is about children not love so marriage has no practical purpose for these people....We could call it something else that has the same meaning and rights but differentiates from the traditional marriage between child bearing couples???

Huh Huh Huh
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Perhaps Phil since you seem to think so, why do you need a marriage certificate to validate/confirm/prove your love?
I don't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Again, even without childbirth, human anatomy is more copacetic to female/male relations. Don't blame me, I didn't design the sexual organs of humans.
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Reply #36 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
Should we ban woman who are baron or men who are sterile from getting married, after all marriage is about children not love so marriage has no practical purpose for these people....We could call it something else that has the same meaning and rights but differentiates from the traditional marriage between child bearing couples???

Huh Huh Huh

How do you know they're barren unless you intrude?
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Reply #37 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 6:58pm
 
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Perhaps Phil since you seem to think so, why do you need a marriage certificate to validate/confirm/prove your love?
I don't. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Nor did my 9 yo nephews parents!

(They got married 4 days before he turned ten because the mother demanded it!)

((What the f^#% is wrong with my brother ?))
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Reply #38 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
Don't support equality because the whole religious position of being superior to gay people crumbles. If gay people are not evil and hated by the vengful god, then what's the point of religion if there's no one to hate. 

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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.
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So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?
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Reply #43 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..



whats in it for them


What's in it for me, absolutely nothing it is just the right thing to do.

It isn't always about what you get out of it.
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Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Why do you feel the need to spend your time thinking about that ??

I cant say I have ever had that experience ?
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Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..



whats in it for them


What's in it for me, absolutely nothing it is just the right thing to do.

It isn't always about what you get out of it.

Really?
The right thing to do?
In whose world oh shallow thinker? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #47 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:02pm
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



The quantity is not relevant.
What is, is the blindness the No have to the sodomites in their camp.
How many No camp priests sodomised children?
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Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..



whats in it for them


What's in it for me, absolutely nothing it is just the right thing to do.

It isn't always about what you get out of it.

Really?
The right thing to do?
In whose world oh shallow thinker? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Depth of thought or possibly thought at all are topics you should stay away from.
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Reply #49 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
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I think anyone saying NO has already said why..






That's right, you say no because the Yes camp put up an argument.
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Doctors and medical staff need to declare whether they are homo or not before they start any procedures on patients - you might be the patient! so ask first, before they get their jollies
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


The tissue surrounding the anus is very fragile. Biologically speaking, the penetration of the anus with anything is not desirable, irrespective of the nature of the relationship.
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Reply #52 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:17pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


The tissue surrounding the anus is very fragile. Biologically speaking, the penetration of the anus with anything is not desirable, irrespective of the nature of the relationship.



Tell it to the Priests.
They are the ones that use force.
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Reply #53 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..






That's right, you say no because the Yes camp put up an argument.



It wasn't the argument - it was the style of the argument...
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Wives do that?  Well, buggar me....   Wink Grin Smiley
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Reply #55 - Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..






That's right, you say no because the Yes camp put up an argument.



It wasn't the argument - it was the style of the argument...



That's not what cods said.

She said if the yes camp had said nothing, she would of voted yes.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Wives do that?  Well, buggar me....   Wink Grin Smiley



Yep. Strap ons ... so I'm told.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Wives do that?  Well, buggar me....   Wink Grin Smiley



Yep. Strap ons ... so I'm told.


Ouch....
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



The quantity is not relevant.
What is, is the blindness the No have to the sodomites in their camp.
How many No camp priests sodomised children?

Oh dear....  first lets just point out to you that Priests are not married.  So your point dies yet again.

Also not all pedophile priests are homosexual...  yet another of your points dies...

You lose again and again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Awful.
It must be the End Times.
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Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..


why not ask the YES people the same thing..


whats in it for them...maybe they have a close one who is gay..



whats in it for them


What's in it for me, absolutely nothing it is just the right thing to do.

It isn't always about what you get out of it.

Really?
The right thing to do?
In whose world oh shallow thinker? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Depth of thought or possibly thought at all are topics you should stay away from.

Lol
If you have nothin...  then best you simply say nothing. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:28pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



The quantity is not relevant.
What is, is the blindness the No have to the sodomites in their camp.
How many No camp priests sodomised children?

Oh dear....  first lets just point out to you that Priests are not married.  So your point dies yet again.

Also not all pedophile priests are homosexual...  yet another of your points dies...

You lose again and again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy




Heterosexual priests are not allowed to marry and sodomise their wives. So they turn on children.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Awful.
It must be the End Times.



So do you oppose heterosexual marriage because of sodomy.
Or are you a hypocrite?
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Awful.
It must be the End Times.



So do you oppose heterosexual marriage because of sodomy.
Or are you a hypocrite?



Sometimes I get depressed -
I look at the state of the world:

Kim Jong-Un about to nuke us -
children in Africa born into a world with little food or water -
environmental destruction -
people sodomising each others bums.

I say to myself - this must be the End Times.
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,There's probably a bit of truth to that.
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So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


G, they're both sexual acts. The Apostle Paul condemned all sexual acts.
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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....


Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.
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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?



Come on smarty pants -
what they do to each other is terrible.
It's like a nightmare.

How can you give your approval of it?

Maybe you do it?
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:22pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?



Come on smarty pants -
what they do to each other is terrible.
It's like a nightmare.

How can you give your approval of it?

Maybe you do it?


What goes on in the bedroom is a matter for the individual and not for the state, provided its consenting adults. The state should stat out of the bedroom.
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I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.
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I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



Mental illness? Pot kettle black my friend.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



Mental illness? Pot kettle black my friend.


I'm not mentally ill, try again.

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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:41am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



Mental illness? Pot kettle black my friend.


I'm not mentally ill, try again.




Thats what all undiagnosed untreated mentally ill patients say, try again.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:51am:
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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



Mental illness? Pot kettle black my friend.


I'm not mentally ill, try again.



You clearly support the ideology of Nazism, and idolise Dr Joseph Mengele who was a sociopath and torturer.

That clearly tells me that you have a mental illness.

If I weren't a Libertarian, I'd call for you to be banned permanently.

You disgust me.
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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



But if they can marry, they'll all be listed for future easy disposal.....
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Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



But if they can marry, they'll all be listed for future easy disposal.....


Good point, time to reopen Auschwitz.  Cool
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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:28pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



The quantity is not relevant.
What is, is the blindness the No have to the sodomites in their camp.
How many No camp priests sodomised children?

Oh dear....  first lets just point out to you that Priests are not married.  So your point dies yet again.

Also not all pedophile priests are homosexual...  yet another of your points dies...

You lose again and again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy




Heterosexual priests are not allowed to marry and sodomise their wives. So they turn on children.

Anyone that sodomises their wife is sick!

Other he's sick or she's sick or they're both sick!

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____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
____ wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


Husband and wife sodomy.
How does that make you feel?


Awful.
It must be the End Times.



So do you oppose heterosexual marriage because of sodomy.
Or are you a hypocrite?

I am disgusted by any brand of sodomy!
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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....


Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink
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Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


G, they're both sexual acts. The Apostle Paul condemned all sexual acts.

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Auggie wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:22pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?



Come on smarty pants -
what they do to each other is terrible.
It's like a nightmare.

How can you give your approval of it?

Maybe you do it?


What goes on in the bedroom is a matter for the individual and not for the state, provided its consenting adults. The state should stat out of the bedroom.

Roll Eyes hence safe schools telling our children to practise sodomy for the purposes of writing a compare and contrast essay on the matter  Roll Eyes

Oh,... And the voting consumer sheeple  can say nothing about it: you know, the parents that consist of a man and a woman!

Grin Grin  Cheesy

What disgrace of a democracy would vote for that  Shocked ?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:41am:
Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



Mental illness? Pot kettle black my friend.

Says the pastafarian!
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[quote author=Tony_Abbott link=1505801185/47#47 date=1505818979][quote author=grendel link=1505801185/44#44 date=1505818743]Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D[/quote]


The quantity is not relevant.
What is, is the blindness the No have to the sodomites in their camp.
How many No camp priests sodomised children? [/quote]
At you seriously saying no gays ever committed abhorrent crimes on a massive scale?
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cods wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
I think anyone saying NO has already said why..






That's right, you say no because the Yes camp put up an argument.

The yes camp won't Let consequences be examined: everyone that was ever born was taught to examine consequences!

Roll Eyes

The whole debate is a sham and the media and politicians have been caught out backing a very very dodgy set of announcements about what is right and wrong!

This is why most gays are against this survey: because THEY know WE know it's dodgy as!

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Don't support equality because the whole religious position of being superior to gay people crumbles. If gay people are not evil and hated by the vengful god, then what's the point of religion if there's no one to hate. 


You're a fruitcake:  Roll Eyes
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Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....


Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink


Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.

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Reply #90 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 4:00pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:22pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?



The thought of 2 blokes pounding each other makes me feel sick.


The thought of you makes me sick.

Should you be denied the right to marry?



Come on smarty pants -
what they do to each other is terrible.
It's like a nightmare.

How can you give your approval of it?

Maybe you do it?


What goes on in the bedroom is a matter for the individual and not for the state, provided its consenting adults. The state should stat out of the bedroom.

Roll Eyes hence safe schools telling our children to practise sodomy for the purposes of writing a compare and contrast essay on the matter  Roll Eyes

Oh,... And the voting consumer sheeple  can say nothing about it: you know, the parents that consist of a man and a woman!

Grin Grin  Cheesy

What disgrace of a democracy would vote for that  Shocked ?


If that is the case, then I totally disagree with this. Sex education is acceptable, but what you've described seems to cross the line.

You and I agree on this one.
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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Sodomy is sodomy.
Do you think most heterosexuals partake in it regularly?  If at all?

Whereas how often do male homosexuals have anal sex?

You lose... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Auggie wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....


Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink


Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.


You're an anarchist!
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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:58pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:20pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.



I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish.



Fair points, I think.  As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content.  Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....


Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement.

You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

Wink


Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.


You're an anarchist!


Small government libertarian.

Know the difference?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #94 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 4:13pm
 
[quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/93#93 date=1505887432][quote author=AnotherJourneyByTr link=1505801185/92#92 date=1505887289][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/89#89 date=1505887118][quote author=AnotherJourneyByTr link=1505801185/81#81 date=1505882907][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/69#69 date=1505823623][quote author=The_Grappler link=1505801185/57#57 date=1505820440][quote author=augcaesarustus link=1505801185/6#6 date=1505801891][quote author=The_Grappler link=1505801185/1#1 date=1505801594]I don't - I merely say that the best solution is the middle way - if agreed to by a majority of the voting public in a binding vote - for a 'separate but equal' position for Gay Marriage or whatever it will be called, with it is clearly stated that this is a special issue and that churches have the unmitigated option to accept or reject it according to their conscience.

The gays (etc) have always lead life in a parallel universe - let them continue happily there.

Now - where are all these hard facts on all these gays worldwide committing suicide BECAUSE of 'marriage inequality'?  It seems to me that if they are that unstable, especially any here in Australia (the only country we have any control over, BTW)  before the vote is even counted, they were going to commit suicide anyway.

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I honestly believe that the best way - the middle of the road is the have the state abolish legal marriage entirely, and instead establish civil unions. Leave marriage to religious institutions.

That way, eveyone is equal under the law, and the churches can define marriage as they wish. [/quote]


Fair points, I think.  [highlight]As long as the rights of all in fixed relationships are protected equally, I'm content. [/highlight] Frankly, the thought that a gay partner of many years has no rights in property or even organising funeral etc is abhorrent to me.  I don;t think that is fair in any way... but marriage is not the answer... legal rights are the answer.

As for all the possible outcomes from permitting 'gay marriage', such as the intrusion into schools of hidden agendas and such - surely it is the DUTY of our elected representatives to abide by the rules of decency and common sense.

I hear that in Victoria Safe Schools was booted out, but the public servants are not abiding by the orders of their political masters.  Such public servants should be immediately sacked without any rights, regardless of their position and pension rights etc.

If Joe Bloggs the Titter and Furner at Ginamite Blasting Corp disobeyed a clear order, he wouldn't see daylight between himself and the gate... why are public servants a protected species..... unless it is in the interests of their political masters to say one thing but allow the opposite.......

And thereby hangs a tale.....[/quote]

Absolutely they would be. That's the point of establishing legal Civil Unions. The standard would be 2 consenting adults entering into a contractual arrangement. [/quote]
You are just attacking the word "marriage": that is your end goal and we all know it!

You are attacking the church and as such Western Civilisation : don't think we don't know!

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Try again. I want to give power of marriage over to Churches without interference from the state.

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You're an [highlight]anarchist![/highlight]
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Small government libertarian.

Know the difference?  ::) ::)[/quote]
Why don't you tell the world what your pretend difference is?  ;D
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All this talk about sodomy makes me think thou doest protest too much.
Just because you got a woody at your prostate exam, you are unviolated!
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thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 6:21pm:
All this talk about sodomy makes me think thou doest protest too much.
Just because you got a woody at your prostate exam, you are unviolated!

Are you some sort of dodgy feminist with your dodgy logic about how all men are pigs but yet you spend your whole life at the nightclub picking up extras while hubby sits at home and cries and waits for divorce papers?

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You can't help wondering why Futility in search of Failure is so keen on this weird SSM stuff ?

Of course everyone knows that the Greenies are hoping to use a YES as an excuse to attack every aspect of civilized society.

That's why Tony Abbott is warning about the tremendous disruption to society by the dead in the water Greenies that would follow a YES vote.
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You can't help wondering why Futility in search of Failure is so keen on this weird SSM stuff ?

Of course everyone knows that the Greenies are hoping to use a YES as an excuse to attack every aspect of civilized society.

That's why Tony Abbott is warning about the tremendous disruption to society by the dead in the water Greenies that would follow a YES vote.

I'm anti-ssm!

Have you been hiding under a rock  Cheesy
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Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes
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Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes
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Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.
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Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes


What do you mean by equate?
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TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.
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Reply #105 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:34am
 
Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Dr Mengele wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:32am:
I'm opposed because homos are mentally ill and should be treated as such...not given rights.



But if they can marry, they'll all be listed for future easy disposal.....


Good point, time to reopen Auschwitz.  Cool



My husband who incidentally is a LEFTIE (moderate)....stated something similar a few days ago.

We all voted NO in the postal survey.

Why?

SSM can GGF 🖕
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Reply #106 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐
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Reply #107 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:38am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink




He also runs a blog as Jovial Monk.

It's a very lonely online site.

Lots of monologues 😂


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If our paperwork turns up in mail , we're voting yes  Smiley
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Its time wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 10:15am:
If our paperwork turns up in mail , we're voting yes  Smiley


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Already voted.
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Gordon wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?


I couldn't give a fig about the sanctity of marriage and in principle I'm OK with SSM, but I'm concerned with the way the yes campaign is being conducted and branding/labeling anyone with a different view.

It's cultural Marxism and the gays are the meat in the sandwich.


I guess malcolm was wrong about the public debating in a mature manner.
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A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?
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stunspore wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:42am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?


I couldn't give a fig about the sanctity of marriage and in principle I'm OK with SSM, but I'm concerned with the way the yes campaign is being conducted and branding/labeling anyone with a different view.

It's cultural Marxism and the gays are the meat in the sandwich.


I guess malcolm was wrong about the public debating in a mature manner.


I guess so. Keep in mind, however, that almost all (the vast majority, at least) known bullying, harassment and cases of violence have been perpetrated by the pro-SSM camp.
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?



Gays have sped up the evolution of the species. One of the reasons, Gays have more time for endeavours and research, since they have less time and resources invested in breeding the next generation.

You say breeding is a positive, only in making new consumers for the capitalistic machine to spit out.


Having a gay child should be seen as winning a jackpot. You have more chance of a successful and wealthy child to look after you in your dotty years.
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It is unnatural, pervert and against children.
Isn't enough, what else you perverts want.



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Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Its absurd, like a dog walking on it's  hind legs.
Makes you wonder who was cruel and stupid enough to put it up to such a bizarre thing.

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Frank wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 4:04pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Its absurd, like a dog walking on it's  hind legs.
Makes you wonder who was cruel and stupid enough to put it up to such a bizarre thing.


You were asked:

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Anything which gweggy, aussie, jack sh, and mothball, as well as one or two others here agree with, then I’ll certainly disagree …………..their opinions are so important to me [sarc] that I  make a point of going in the opposite direction………so you see dullards your opinions do matter to me, in the same way as getting dog cr@p on my boot……..
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____ wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 7:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?



Gays have sped up the evolution of the species. One of the reasons, Gays have more time for endeavours and research, since they have less time and resources invested in breeding the next generation.

You say breeding is a positive, only in making new consumers for the capitalistic machine to spit out.


Having a gay child should be seen as winning a jackpot. You have more chance of a successful and wealthy child to look after you in your dotty years.

There is no gay gene....  hence you do not breed homosexuals. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Because of political correctness and the compassion of humans homosexuality is being tolerated, trouble is they are pushing the envelope, this would not happen in the animal kingdom.
RE; Darwin's theory of evolution.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 4:04pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?

Its absurd, like a dog walking on it's  hind legs.
Makes you wonder who was cruel and stupid enough to put it up to such a bizarre thing.


You were asked:

Quote:
How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?


May we have your answer?

Degrades it.
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How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?


There is an interesting theory that homosexuals were "helpers in the nest."

A hunter gatherer lifestyle was exceptionally difficult, it wasn't always possible for people to look after their own kids.

Enter the "non breeders." homosexuals gave tribes an extra pair of hands to help with children. Back in those days this could have meant the difference between life and death.

Homosexuality could be seen as an evolutionary advantage, these non breeders were able to care for and raise children while their parents were focused on survival for the tribe.

It may also explain why homosexuality is present in other species on this planet.
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Johnnie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Because of political correctness and the compassion of humans homosexuality is being tolerated, trouble is they are pushing the envelope, this would not happen in the animal kingdom.
RE; Darwin's theory of evolution.

Of course it was tolerated: biggest bully wins and that's all human jail-time is about!
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How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


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Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.
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How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?


Isn't that a breach of forum rules regarding member's families?
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Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?


Isn't that a breach of forum rules regarding member's families?


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Reply #129 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:10am
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm:
____ wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 7:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?



Gays have sped up the evolution of the species. One of the reasons, Gays have more time for endeavours and research, since they have less time and resources invested in breeding the next generation.

You say breeding is a positive, only in making new consumers for the capitalistic machine to spit out.


Having a gay child should be seen as winning a jackpot. You have more chance of a successful and wealthy child to look after you in your dotty years.

There is no gay gene....  hence you do not breed homosexuals. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You know, I would dispute that.

In our family circle, there were four siblings.
each married a person from a different race.
Now, out of the four, only one family had homosexual children, and it turns out that, that same partner had family who were also homosexual.

None of the others had homosexual children, and it was not a prohibition in our family, it would have been accepted had any of the others been homosexual.

It appears to be a trait or possibly a mental illness passed on from one generation to another.
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Reply #130 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:21am
 
Valkie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:10am:
Grendel wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm:
____ wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 7:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?



Gays have sped up the evolution of the species. One of the reasons, Gays have more time for endeavours and research, since they have less time and resources invested in breeding the next generation.

You say breeding is a positive, only in making new consumers for the capitalistic machine to spit out.


Having a gay child should be seen as winning a jackpot. You have more chance of a successful and wealthy child to look after you in your dotty years.

There is no gay gene....  hence you do not breed homosexuals. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You know, I would dispute that.

In our family circle, there were four siblings.
each married a person from a different race.
Now, out of the four, only one family had homosexual children, and it turns out that, that same partner had family who were also homosexual.

None of the others had homosexual children, and it was not a prohibition in our family, it would have been accepted had any of the others been homosexual.

It appears to be a trait or possibly a mental illness passed on from one generation to another.


So, you reckon that homosexuality runs in families? Mental illness runs in families too.  Wink
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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #131 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:31am
 
stunspore wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:42am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?


I couldn't give a fig about the sanctity of marriage and in principle I'm OK with SSM, but I'm concerned with the way the yes campaign is being conducted and branding/labeling anyone with a different view.

It's cultural Marxism and the gays are the meat in the sandwich.


I guess malcolm was wrong about the public debating in a mature manner.



I guess he was...


[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/samesex-marriage-women-kiss-on-stage-in-protest-at-no-event/news-story/6de2aea40cd923f468af85e8f6ec065a][/url]


TWO female protesters stormed the stage of a Coalition for Marriage “vote no” rally last night, embracing in a kiss before being escorted away.

A video of the stage invasion in Melbourne as posted on Twitter by Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton, who was speaking at the time.

The woman are seen kissing on stage for more than 20 seconds. They are then pulled offstage by a man as they remained kissing before security guards intervened.

It is alleged the women made several attempts to enter the room and were heard chanting “burn churches not queers” and “crucify Christians”.

The lobby group, which advocates for continuing to define marriage as being between a man and a woman, held the event in an attempt to convince people to vote no to marriage equality.

Mr Shelton posted the video online with this comment: “While Cella was speaking this just happened. The protester shouted ‘fascists’ into the microphone before this.”

Earlier in the evening, he tweeted about a female protester rushing onto the stage while he was speaking.

“She violently resisted security as they escorted her off,” he tweeted.





one dressed like a man  [even though she doesnt like them] so its not always easy to know...
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Reply #132 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 11:09am
 
Valkie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:10am:
Grendel wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 8:08pm:
____ wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 7:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 6:50am:
A friend of mine found this question at an online website a few days ago and shared it to me via Facebook. "In terms of the human race and procreation, homosexuality works against this for obvious reasons. There are very few examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom and certainly none that offer homosexual procreation for the continuation of that species. So, perhaps a question we should be asking ourselves is whether homosexuality in humans should be considered as normal as heterosexuality or whether it could be a psychological disorder possibly caused by some form of chemical imbalance in the brain?"

Thoughts?



Gays have sped up the evolution of the species. One of the reasons, Gays have more time for endeavours and research, since they have less time and resources invested in breeding the next generation.

You say breeding is a positive, only in making new consumers for the capitalistic machine to spit out.


Having a gay child should be seen as winning a jackpot. You have more chance of a successful and wealthy child to look after you in your dotty years.

There is no gay gene....  hence you do not breed homosexuals. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You know, I would dispute that.

In our family circle, there were four siblings.
each married a person from a different race.
Now, out of the four, only one family had homosexual children, and it turns out that, that same partner had family who were also homosexual.

None of the others had homosexual children, and it was not a prohibition in our family, it would have been accepted had any of the others been homosexual.

It appears to be a trait or possibly a mental illness passed on from one generation to another.

You can dispute it all you like but its true.
The human genome has been mapped and that and various studies including twin studies have come up with the conclusion that there is no gay gene.  No matter how much they like to claim there is.
Most studies now agree that nurture or life experience in the vast majority of cases is the main contributor to the behaviour.
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Re: Why do you oppose SSM?
Reply #133 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm
 
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.
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Reply #134 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:20pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐


Contemporary Greek society has little to do with Classical Greek times.
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Reply #135 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐


Contemporary Greek society has little to do with Classical Greek times.


Then why did YOU bring it up in the 1st place?
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Reply #136 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm
 
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.


Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.
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Reply #137 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐


Contemporary Greek society has little to do with Classical Greek times.


Then why did YOU bring it up in the 1st place?


Classical Greek civilisation had had an impact on contemporary Western society, NOT on Greek society.
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Reply #138 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:28pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.


Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.


1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.
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Reply #139 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐


Contemporary Greek society has little to do with Classical Greek times.


Then why did YOU bring it up in the 1st place?


Classical Greek civilisation had had an impact on contemporary Western society, NOT on Greek society.


That's actually incorrect.

Completely incorrect.
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Reply #140 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:07pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:28pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.


Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.


1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.


He also 'instituted' genocide...so we'll go with that as well?
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Reply #141 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:09pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 9:36am:
Auggie wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 11:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:57pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:52pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:48pm:
Still waiting...

Grendel wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
So Augustus.
Do you equate homosexual anal sex with heterosexual vaginal sex?


Do try to address it sensibly this time and answer the question. Roll Eyes

Augustus doesn't believe in democracy: hasn't he told you that bit yet?


Wink Wink

First off I'm wondering if he actually knows the difference Roll Eyes

He's a nut! Pushing ssm he is obviously looking to destroy Western Civilisation.


Funny that the ancient Greeks practised and even embraced homosexuality. They were the founders of western civilisation.


And look at where they are now?

Up Shyte Creek without a paddle.

Funny that 😐


Contemporary Greek society has little to do with Classical Greek times.


Then why did YOU bring it up in the 1st place?


Classical Greek civilisation had had an impact on contemporary Western society, NOT on Greek society.


That's actually incorrect.

Completely incorrect.


No comeback .....with THIS id anyway Grin

Good!
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Reply #142 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:10pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.


Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.

You're a pedant trying to teach my kids sodomy in the classroom via the payroll of football leagues who raise multiple millions of dollars through tv deals and ticket sales all under fraudulent circumstance.

Consuming voters have rights and they include the ability to debate consequences in a democracy and who there money is actually going to.

I therefore condede nothing to you!

I cast thee away from my childrens children  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.


Bewdiful.  No-one will have a clue how to handle that.
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Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??
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Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 12:51am:
Aussie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:48pm:
How.  Will your relationship with your Wife deteriorate?

That's not the point: you are forgetting society?


How will society deteriorate? Society once thought inter-racial marriage would doom us. Giving women the vote would doom us.

Your argument is we should do anything the tv tells us to do!

That's called debauchery:  Shocked

Giving women the vote or allowing interacial marriages is not  changing an institution from one of heterosexuality to one of debauchery.

It just isn't.... the yes campaign is all false argument and won't even let the voting consumers in a democracy discuss consequences: and the AFL is supporting this with the many millions of dollars it has taken from the public in ticket and FOXTEL subsciption sales.

If the AFL wants to get political then it had better start explaining itself because that's what politics is.


Traditional marriage is 'til death so us part'. Therefore if a person divorces then remarries that second marriage is not actually marriage because it demeans the institution of marriage. If you don't support SSM because of traditional marriage then you also need to concede that second marriages are invalid.


1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.

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Reply #146 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:33pm
 
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How many marriages did God say was okay within his idea of 'institution?'
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God instituted marriage btwn male and female.


How many marriages did God say was okay within his idea of 'institution?'

Sounds like a vague question!
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Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??

No one cares!
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FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??

No one cares!


New Zealand, although geographically close to us, are 'culturally' more like the USA in that they have a tiny 'rich' class and huge 'poor' class with hardly any 'middle-class'.
Hence why the Gay & Redneck 'division' fits neatly for them.
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Reply #150 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??

No one cares!

Yes, let's just have lies and fear.
No facts or evidence. Ever.
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Reply #151 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:48pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??

No one cares!


New Zealand, although geographically close to us, are 'culturally' more like the USA in that they have a tiny 'rich' class and huge 'poor' class with hardly any 'middle-class'.
Hence why the Gay & Redneck 'division' fits neatly for them.

Be enlightening to see what happens to this country in 6 weeks then!
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Reply #152 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:51pm
 
thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
thecuriousmail wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Same sex marriage has been possible in NZ for about 4 years.
Is Kiwi society in ruin and tatters??

No one cares!

Yes, let's just have lies and fear.
No facts or evidence. Ever.

How about we have a democracy where consequences aren't allowed to be discussed and our football leagues tell us so with all the money we give them to watch FOOTBALL  Roll Eyes

?????

Would that suit the feminist agenda enough for you?
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Reply #153 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:56pm
 
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1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.



So, when the Priest says: "til death do us part", is that just him being nice, or following church doctrine?

Also, quote me the passage in the Bible which allows a person to marry his/her adulterer?
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No comeback .....with THIS id anyway Grin

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Read your history: the Ottoman Empire had more influence and impact on modern Greek society that did Classical Greek society.

The weakness of institutions in Greece is derived from its status within the Ottoman Empire.

The Ancient Greeks were better tax collectors than Greece is today.
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Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
No comeback .....with THIS id anyway Grin

Good!


Read your history: the Ottoman Empire had more influence and impact on modern Greek society that did Classical Greek society.

The weakness of institutions in Greece is derived from its status within the Ottoman Empire.

The Ancient Greeks were better tax collectors than Greece is today.


BS!

Edit :

FMD! My husband has just taken your freaking side on this!

He just told me : You may not like it but this guy is actually right. What's this guy's name? I answered "Caesar Augustus". He's still laughing 😂.

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I don't like you or him right now.

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Reply #156 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
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1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.



So, when the Priest says: "til death do us part", is that just him being nice, or following church doctrine?

Also, quote me the passage in the Bible which allows a person to marry his/her adulterer?


There are grounds for marrying again even when both people are still alive.

And that's according to the New Testament of The Holy Bible....the contents of which you clearly know nothing about. Even with THAT ID 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Reply #157 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 2:39am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.



God also refuses you to teach but remain silent.

You disgrace god if you worship with your head uncovered.

People ignore "god's word" regarding this.

Fact is Christians are "cafeteria Christians" what to believe and what not to.

Why should we expect that "god's word" regarding marriage is any different?
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Boy with henna tattoo: How the little Aussie boy was exploited by Gay paedophile network


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/boy-with-henna-tattoo-network-exposed/5310...

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Reply #159 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 8:53am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Quote:
1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.

2. The Holy Bible disagrees with your above clueless driven and invented views.



So, when the Priest says: "til death do us part", is that just him being nice, or following church doctrine?

Also, quote me the passage in the Bible which allows a person to marry his/her adulterer?


There are grounds for marrying again even when both people are still alive.

And that's according to the New Testament of The Holy Bible....the contents of which you clearly know nothing about. Even with THAT ID 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Silence  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Oh dear God.

Those poofters need to be shot asap!

All of them.

I can't get over the contents of that article.

Too gruesome.

These poor innocent little kids.

If anyone here thinks the victims in this article will be able to recover over time.....you're wrong. This trauma stays with you for life and will affect you psychologically etc .....IF you decide NOT to commit suicide.

I feel sick now..... Cry
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Reply #161 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:02am
 
Can the atheists and ignorant stop commenting on religion please.

Christians follow the teachings of Christ.  Which are in the New Testament.

SSM and the Marriage Act as far as I know isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament.

Just as YES supporters do not mention the flow-on effects of their plan to change marriage a tradition and term thousands of years old carried out by billions of heterosexuals.

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Reply #162 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:16am
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:02am:
Can the atheists and ignorant stop commenting on religion please.

Christians follow the teachings of Christ.  Which are in the New Testament.

SSM and the Marriage Act as far as I know isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament.

Just as YES supporters do not mention the flow-on effects of their plan to change marriage a tradition and term thousands of years old carried out by billions of [highlight]heterosexuals.[/highlight]

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Reply #163 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:22am
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:02am:
Can the atheists and ignorant stop commenting on religion please.

Christians follow the teachings of Christ.  Which are in the New Testament.

SSM and the Marriage Act as far as I know isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament.

Just as YES supporters do not mention the flow-on effects of their plan to change marriage a tradition and term thousands of years old carried out by billions of heterosexuals.

Cheesy


Raven's last post concerns passages from the New Testament. He within his right to comment on it.

But you are right the Nazarene is quiet regarding homosexuals, or SSM. Except perhaps for this verse:

Matthew 19 talks about marriage

Matthew 19:11 But He said to them,
“Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given."


Matthew 19:12
"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."


Now this is interesting. The Nazarene talks about the honoured class

Eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men is pretty self explanatory

Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs are men who foreswear marriage to better serve God.

But eunuchs born from their mother's womb is an interesting turn of phrase. During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

He lists people born gay alongside another honoured class (eunuchs for the kingdom), and accepts them as a natural part of God’s creation order.

The Nazarene teaches that most people are created for heterosexual marriage. But he does not see this as the only honourable way to live. He acknowledges that some human beings have been created by God to follow a less common, but equally legitimate path. There are some who have been eunuchs from birth — made that way by God.
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Reply #164 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 11:52am
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:02am:
Can the atheists and ignorant stop commenting on religion please.

Christians follow the teachings of Christ.  Which are in the New Testament.

SSM and the Marriage Act as far as I know isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament.

Just as YES supporters do not mention the flow-on effects of their plan to change marriage a tradition and term thousands of years old carried out by billions of heterosexuals.

Cheesy


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Question: "What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"

Answer: While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.

Whenever the Bible mentions marriage, it is between a male and a female. The first mention of marriage, Genesis 2:24, describes it as a man leaving his parents and being united to his wife. In passages that contain instructions regarding marriage, such as 1 Corinthians 7:2-16 and Ephesians 5:23-33, the Bible clearly identifies marriage as being between a man and a woman. Biblically speaking, marriage is the lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family.

The Bible alone, however, does not have to be used to demonstrate this understanding of marriage. The biblical viewpoint of marriage has been the universal understanding of marriage in every human civilization in world history. History argues against gay marriage. Modern secular psychology recognizes that men and women are psychologically and emotionally designed to complement one another. In regard to the family, psychologists contend that a union between a man and woman in which both spouses serve as good gender role models is the best environment in which to raise well-adjusted children. Psychology argues against gay marriage. In nature/physicality, clearly, men and women were designed to “fit” together sexually. With the “natural” purpose of sexual intercourse being procreation, clearly only a sexual relationship between a man and a woman can fulfill this purpose. Nature argues against gay marriage.

So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman—why is there such a controversy today? Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented? Why is the gay rights movement so aggressively pushing for gay marriage/same-sex marriage when most people, religious and non-religious, are supportive of—or at least far less opposed to—gay couples having all the same legal rights as married couples with some form of civil union?

The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Romans 1:18-32 illustrates this. The truth is known because God has made it plain. The truth is rejected and replaced with a lie. The lie is then promoted and the truth suppressed and attacked. The vehemence and anger expressed by many in the gay rights movement to any who oppose them is, in fact, an indication that they know their position is indefensible. Trying to overcome a weak position by raising your voice is the oldest trick in the debating book. There is perhaps no more accurate description of the modern gay rights agenda than Romans 1:31, “they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.”

To give sanction to gay marriage/same-sex marriage would be to give approval to the homosexual lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage/same-sex marriage. Further, there are strong and logical arguments against gay marriage/same-sex marriage from contexts completely separated from the Bible. One does not have to be an evangelical Christian to recognize that marriage is between a man and a woman.

According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, ...

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Reply #165 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Raven wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 2:39am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.



God also refuses you to teach but remain silent.

You disgrace god if you worship with your head uncovered.

People ignore "god's word" regarding this.

Fact is Christians are "cafeteria Christians" what to believe and what not to.

Why should we expect that "god's word" regarding marriage is any different?

You can of course argue that: what you can't do is stop others from having their say like the yes campaign is trying to do.

The yes campaign believe consequences are not allowed to be discussed in a democracy: that is why the no campaign is saying it's an attack on Western Civilisation!

Got your brain working yet?

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Reply #166 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:00am:
capitosinora wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Boy with henna tattoo: How the little Aussie boy was exploited by Gay paedophile network




Oh dear God.

Those poofters need to be shot asap!

All of them.

I can't get over the contents of that article.

Too gruesome.

These poor innocent little kids.

If anyone here thinks the victims in this article will be able to recover over time.....you're wrong. This trauma stays with you for life and will affect you psychologically etc .....IF you decide NOT to commit suicide.

I feel sick now..... Cry

This ssm stuff is 'grooming': and the yes campaign say we are not even allowed to discuss consequences in a democracy!

Western Civilisation is under attack from the terrorists within.

This could be how WW3 starts?

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Reply #167 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm
 
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:00am:
capitosinora wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Boy with henna tattoo: How the little Aussie boy was exploited by Gay paedophile network




Oh dear God.

Those poofters need to be shot asap!

All of them.

I can't get over the contents of that article.

Too gruesome.

These poor innocent little kids.

If anyone here thinks the victims in this article will be able to recover over time.....you're wrong. This trauma stays with you for life and will affect you psychologically etc .....IF you decide NOT to commit suicide.

I feel sick now..... Cry

This ssm stuff is 'grooming': and the yes campaign say we are not even allowed to discuss consequences in a democracy!

Western Civilisation is under attack from the terrorists within.

This could be how WW3 starts?



Not sure about that. But that article ought to be a real wake up call.
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Reply #168 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:00am:
capitosinora wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Boy with henna tattoo: How the little Aussie boy was exploited by Gay paedophile network




Oh dear God.

Those poofters need to be shot asap!

All of them.

I can't get over the contents of that article.

Too gruesome.

These poor innocent little kids.

If anyone here thinks the victims in this article will be able to recover over time.....you're wrong. This trauma stays with you for life and will affect you psychologically etc .....IF you decide NOT to commit suicide.

I feel sick now..... Cry

This ssm stuff is 'grooming': and the yes campaign say we are not even allowed to discuss consequences in a democracy!

Western Civilisation is under attack from the terrorists within.

This could be how WW3 starts?



Not sure about that. But that article ought to be a real wake up call.

SSM is grooming our kids: the slipper slope fallacy only applies to small initial steps.

Western Civilisation is under attack from within.

Shocked
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Reply #169 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 1:08am
 
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 11:52am:
According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin.



Yes let's look at god's definition of marriage.

God created Adam and Eve. They had two children, both with penises.

A bible based marriage is between 1 man, 1 woman and the son she seduces after he kills his brother.

Abraham the father of Monotheism, married his sister (or niece if you believe rabinnic literature) if that's not sordid enough slutty sister Sarah told him to have sex with her handmaiden. (Genesis 20:12, Genesis 16:3)

A bible based marriage is between 1 man, his sister and the help.

Anybody know God's punishment for raping an unmarried virgin? That's right marriage (Dueteronomy 22:28-29)

A Bible based marriage is between 1 woman and her rapist.

What do you do if you run out of close relatives or servants to marry? God's got you covered. Just head over to the next town and murder anyone who has a penis or has seen one and round up the virgins ( Judges 21:7-23)

A bible based marriage is between 1 man and a girl who is kidnapped and raped right after her mother, father, brother and slutty sister are brutally murdered.

Remember it's not rape if the man says "I do."

King David had a fabulous collection of wives (1 Chronicles 3:1-9) and a harem bursting with concubines who God had raped by David's son because was upset over some troublemaker named Bathsheba. (2 Samuel 16:21)

A bible based marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman and another woman, yet another woman, a few other women and a pack of raped women.

Not to be outdone David's son Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. (1 Kings 11:3)

A bible based marriage is between one man and enough ass to make a Mormon compound seen quitely understated.

The whole concept of marriage apparently bored the Nazarene to tears. (Matthew 19:29)

Just don't get rid her and marry another because then you commit adultery (Matthew 19:9)

Cleary the bible says you can have as many wives as you want. (Bishops being the exception, 1 Timothy 3:2)

But what a bible based marriage is not, is between 1 man and one man. Because that would be immoral.

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Reply #170 - Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:03pm
 
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Raven wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 2:39am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
1. God instituted marriage btwn male and female.



God also refuses you to teach but remain silent.

You disgrace god if you worship with your head uncovered.

People ignore "god's word" regarding this.

Fact is Christians are "cafeteria Christians" what to believe and what not to.

Why should we expect that "god's word" regarding marriage is any different?

You can of course argue that: what you can't do is stop others from having their say like the yes campaign is trying to do.


And yet we have some of the biggest players in the no campaign declaring that a musician should not perform one of his most popular songs at the Grand Final. A song that spent 4 weeks at number one in Australia.
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Raven wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:22am:
During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

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Bulldust. You made that up.
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Reply #172 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 2:09am
 
Sadrhino wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:46pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:22am:
During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

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Bulldust. You made that up.


Dr. Robert Gagnon, tenured Professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Pittsburg Theological Seminary and prolific anti-gay evangelical Christian author, has this to say:

"Probably 'born eunuchs"'in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions."

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Reply #174 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 6:28am
 
I don't like people telling me how to think. Just because the left throws a bone it doesn't mean we have to start gnawing at it. When they stop calling working class Australians bogans is when I vote for gay marriage.
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Reply #175 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:13am
 
The UN through their organisation PPF have given the gays a voice in every country all over the world.

The UN was original developed after WW2 to look after nations and their people, these days they have been infiltrated and are run by the oligarchy.

Maybe the oligarchy think they can control the world to the nth degree if we were all mentally handicapped therefore the push to turn our society in a gay one.

Don't really know, what I do know is anything the oligarchy have in store for the majority is only to benefit themselves, so what would they get if the whole world was gay..?
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Reply #176 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:22am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 9:00am:
capitosinora wrote on Sep 25th, 2017 at 8:46am:
Boy with henna tattoo: How the little Aussie boy was exploited by Gay paedophile network




Oh dear God.

Those poofters need to be shot asap!

All of them.

I can't get over the contents of that article.

Too gruesome.

These poor innocent little kids.

If anyone here thinks the victims in this article will be able to recover over time.....you're wrong. This trauma stays with you for life and will affect you psychologically etc .....IF you decide NOT to commit suicide.

I feel sick now..... Cry

This ssm stuff is 'grooming': and the yes campaign say we are not even allowed to discuss consequences in a democracy!

Western Civilisation is under attack from the terrorists within.

This could be how WW3 starts?



Not sure about that. But that article ought to be a real wake up call.


Allowing Gays to adopt innocent children in SSM is the same to encourage bank robbers to work in the bank.

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Reply #177 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:25am
 
capitosinora wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 9:22am:
Allowing Gays to adopt innocent children in SSM is the same to  allow bank robber to work in the bank.



Yes I agree they should NEVER have been allowed to have children, that deal was done via the back door now they also want the seal of approval.

In 20 or 30 years if the children now who are being raised by gays come out in epidemic proportions and complain about abuse who will take the blame....?
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Reply #178 - Sep 29th, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
The Fight doesn't end with Marriage Equality - as any sane person knows.

Quote from a member of another forum - Quote:
It doesn't begin with it either. You can't compare apples to oranges they might both be fruit but try making an apple pie with oranges and see how far you get. Men marrying men etc is NOT the same as men marrying women. Therefore they can NEVER achieve equality. What they should be aiming for is EQUITY but they are too stupid to even realise the difference. Create a federal civil union law that gives them the couple of tiny things they are missing and leave the marriage act alone.
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Reply #179 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:25am
 
Where, in the 'time of the 'Nazarene', apparently meaning Jesus of the New Testament, was there the phrase 'born as a eunuch'?

I'm no great Biblical scholar and hold no religious affiliations - but that has never entered the horizon - the same as some 'gay Jesus' ever did.

Where did this nonsense come from and what are the solid foundations for it?
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Reply #180 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:34am
 
Raven wrote on Sep 29th, 2017 at 2:09am:
Sadrhino wrote on Sep 28th, 2017 at 11:46pm:
Raven wrote on Sep 26th, 2017 at 6:22am:
During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

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Bulldust. You made that up.


Dr. Robert Gagnon, tenured Professor of Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Pittsburg Theological Seminary and prolific anti-gay evangelical Christian author, has this to say:

"Probably 'born eunuchs"'in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions."

That doesnt support your claim. To start with ":probably" i.e., this one persons opinion. Also "include", means "probably" "included" , not was the term used to describe solely effeminate men. The rest is extrapolation with no basis.
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Reply #181 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:39pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?




"Traditional" marriage was devalued a LONG time ago

A built in divorce "out clause" is opted for in over half of all marriages
You can't devalue marriage any more than having pre-nup as one of its "sacred values"


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Reply #182 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:09pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?




This has been answered many times Auggie.  You been sleeping.

Here's 1 PC free answer for you.

Should anal sex be valued as equal to normal hetero sex?

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Reply #183 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:10pm
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?




This has been answered many times Auggie.  You been sleeping.

Here's 1 PC free answer for you.

Should anal sex be valued as equal to normal hetero sex?




Why does it need to be valued at all?
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Reply #184 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
Would you like to establish the criteria upon which a valuation of each can be made?

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Reply #185 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:14pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
Would you like to establish the criteria upon which a valuation of each can be made?

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Should anal sex be valued as equal to normal hetero sex?



Aussie, please don't confuse Grendel. Small brush strokes. Only very small.
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Reply #186 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:31pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
Grendel wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?




This has been answered many times Auggie.  You been sleeping.

Here's 1 PC free answer for you.

Should anal sex be valued as equal to normal hetero sex?




Why does it need to be valued at all?

OMG...  are you for real?
You have to be the most clueless person on the planet. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #187 - Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Read what Auggie said Aussie then you and Mothra can get a room together.  And leave sane conversation to normal people.

Grendel wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
Auggie wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Many people who oppose SSM say that it will devalue traditional marriage.

How?

How does another person's choice to marry his/her partner affect you and your relationship?




This has been answered many times Auggie.  You been sleeping.

Here's 1 PC free answer for you.

Should anal sex be valued as equal to normal hetero sex?


Honestly....  some people need serious help. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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