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Why love is love and saying yes is vital (Read 28711 times)
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Re: Why love is love and saying yes is vital
Reply #420 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 12:11pm:
Are you paying attention Cods?




I am  and its not looking good from where you are  so far...


just had a few chores to do here....I do work a bit  unpaid though...  I mind grandsons every day....

but I am still reading the 4 or 5 pages you have managed to fill in since I was here last....keep posting I will keep reading.


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Reply #421 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
Perhaps you can tell me where i outed myself Cods? Lisa won't say and Agnes, despite being confused by the OP now claims she was TOLD by someone who knows me "very well".

Can you illuminate me?
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Re: Why love is love and saying yes is vital
Reply #422 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Perhaps you can tell me where i outed myself Cods? Lisa won't say and Agnes, despite being confused by the OP now claims she was TOLD by someone who knows me "very well".

Can you illuminate me?




I can   when you answer that simple question for me..
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Re: Why love is love and saying yes is vital
Reply #423 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:33pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 1:47pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 11:40am:
Same sex marriage. Coming to a city near you!

I don't think so!



dont start her off again drah.....
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Reply #424 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Perhaps you can tell me where i outed myself Cods? Lisa won't say and Agnes, despite being confused by the OP now claims she was TOLD by someone who knows me "very well".

Can you illuminate me?




I can   when you answer that simple question for me..



Would you like to phrase that question so i can understand it?

I've already asked this of you.
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Re: Why love is love and saying yes is vital
Reply #425 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Perhaps you can tell me where i outed myself Cods? Lisa won't say and Agnes, despite being confused by the OP now claims she was TOLD by someone who knows me "very well".

Can you illuminate me?




I can   when you answer that simple question for me..



Would you like to phrase that question so i can understand it?

I've already asked this of you.



and I have already told you aussie?...

ooops I mean thread destroyer mothra...

so you cant verify one of your liers   

didnt think so... Angry Angry

no surprises here..... keep that wrecking ball going mothra you and aussie are good at wrecking threads...
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Re: Why love is love and saying yes is vital
Reply #426 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:58pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:56pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
cods wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
Perhaps you can tell me where i outed myself Cods? Lisa won't say and Agnes, despite being confused by the OP now claims she was TOLD by someone who knows me "very well".

Can you illuminate me?




I can   when you answer that simple question for me..



Would you like to phrase that question so i can understand it?

I've already asked this of you.



and I have already told you aussie?...

ooops I mean thread destroyer mothra...

so you cant verify one of your liers   

didnt think so... Angry Angry

no surprises here..... keep that wrecking ball going mothra you and aussie are good at wrecking threads...




So there isn't a question?
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Reply #427 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Good grief, mothballs must love all this off topic attention she's getting...

meanwhile lets see what's been written on topic eh. Roll Eyes
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Reply #428 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
Grendel wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Good grief, mothballs must love all this off topic attention she's getting...

meanwhile lets see what's been written on topic eh. Roll Eyes

Why would you derail your own thread?

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Reply #429 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:30pm
 
I think this was the last on topic post...

Grendel wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
One more time...  a voice of reason.
Grendel wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 9:09am:
For the atheists and religiously ignorant.

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As an Orthodox rabbi I will be voting no but it is not a vote against love

Rabbi Moshe Gutnick

Our nation is being asked to vote on whether or not it wishes to change the definition of marriage. I need to emphasise at the outset that I have been an Orthodox rabbi for 35 years. On my watch, no person has been turned away or made to feel uncomfortable because of their sexual preference. What someone does in the privacy of one's own home is between them and God.

Indeed, it is a fundamental principle of my faith, and the Judeo-Christian ethic, that all human beings are created equal in the image of God and therefore, have unalienable rights.  It is precisely this belief that not only allows me, but empowers me, to respect and accept every single human being regardless of colour, race, creed or sexual orientation.

It is important to remember what happens when God and His teachings are removed from the equation. In the former Soviet Union, the state became an omnipotent ruler, truly God-like and its pursuit of "equality" blended into the excuse to impose a ruthless totalitarian regime. In Nazi Germany, pseudo-science replaced God and rather than all beings created equal, Hitler reduced humanity to classes and subclasses, the lowest of which were homosexuals and Jews – whose lives (according to his twisted rationale) were less than worthless.

Belief in a creator is the root of all human rights and democracy in Western society. Because of this, I would always fight for LGBTQI rights. However, it is precisely this profound belief that makes me vote "no" for same-sex marriage.

It is a fundamental principle of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, that the (same) one God revealed His will to mankind. No matter how unpopular it is to state this position, no amount of "clerical gymnastics" can change the fact that biblically there is only one form of marriage. And that is between a man and a woman. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either fooling themselves or fooling you.

In the biblical Garden of Eden, God created a man and a woman and their union was blessed. From this, would come all of humankind. So too, only a union that mirrors that potential for procreation is blessed with the title, "holy matrimony". The same God that teaches me to respect everyone, teaches me that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.

A "no" vote is not a vote against love. It is not a vote for discrimination. It is not a vote against the LGBTQI community. It is not a vote based on misguided homophobia. It is simply a vote of conscience that marriage should remain as people of faith believe God intended it. Only in the relatively very recent past, did marriage move from canon law to civil law. The Marriage Act is the only act that can be executed by the clergy. And it indeed reflects the holy covenant of marriage. The government can find other ways (such as civil union) to protect the rights of the LGBTQI community.

The phraseology of the slogan, "marriage equality" is cleverly used. After all, who is not for equality? However, marriage has always been in our society as Holy matrimony between a man and a woman. Today some in society seek to change that definition. It is not an issue of equality but of definition. If marriage were a purely secular instrument, or if there was a provision for a secular civil union protecting gay rights, I would have no quarrel. However, our society is not purely secular. The freedom of expression and rights and democracy enjoyed by all Australians have their roots, not in secular humanistic ideology, but in a profound belief in a creator who shaped us all in the biblical teachings of Judaism and Christianity.
At the commencement of every day of each  parliamentary sitting, the following profound prayer is recited, "Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven." Will this too have to go for the sake of "equality"?

Rabbi Moshe Gutnick is a senior dayan of the Sydney Beth Din and Rabbinic Administrator of The Kashrut Authority.


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Reply #430 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:39pm
 
Oh good. Grendel has repeated himself again.

He must be well proud of himself.
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Reply #431 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:29pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Oh good. Grendel has repeated himself again.

He must be well proud of himself.

if you can't contribute, just crawl back under your rock.
I'm sure no one will care. Roll Eyes
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Reply #432 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:31pm
 
Got my paper today. It will be sent back marked "yes".  Wink
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Reply #433 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:32pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
Got my paper today. It will be sent back marked "yes".  Wink



Onya Nicole ...  Smiley
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Reply #434 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:44pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:32pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Sep 18th, 2017 at 8:31pm:
Got my paper today. It will be sent back marked "yes".  Wink



Onya Nicole ...  Smiley


Thank you Mothra.

I haven't read this thread, but what I have noted (particularly on Facebook), is that the 'no' crowd get called 'homophobes'. No doubt many of them are, but there is more substance to the arguments of many of those voting no than merely being homophobic.
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