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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #75 - Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 11:31pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 5:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 16^th, 2017 at 7:53am:

I don't get voting against fairness for no benefit to anybody, just to be nasty it seems..

You haven't listened to anything in this debate: it's about the institution called marriage and the fact that the subject of ssm never was an institution for very real reasons.

institution called marriage

Marriage is an institution, like a sanatorium ? Does not seem a very good reason to continue to demonise and support discrimination against people just because you do not approve of the sexuality that they were born with.

Good grief...
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in·sti·tu·tion

/ˌinstəˈt(y)o͞oSH(ə)n/

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1. a society or organization founded for a religious, educational, social, or similar purpose: "a certificate from a professional institution" synonyms: establishment, organization, institute, foundation, center, ... more
2. an established law, practice, or custom: "the institution of marriage" synonyms: practice, custom, convention, tradition, habit, ... more

Who is discriminating against whom? Who is trying to appropriate a term and change its meaning, something billions have been part of for thousands of years?

There is a range of areas where the law and other arrangements currently discriminates against couples who are not married. From next of kin access in hospitals or inheritance and parenting status in some states.

Discrimination is a good thing it means making a choice.... I like apples not lemons that is a choice it involves the ability to recognise and discriminate differences.
How about we discriminate for all those billions of heterosexual couples based on the fact that marriage for thousands of years has been the union of a man and a woman instead of changing it to include different sorts of relationships that can never be equal. Cheesy

If you want other legal changes you think are not available make them. You don't change a society based on less that .5% of it.

billions of heterosexual couples based on the fact that marriage for thousands of years has been the union of a man and a woman

Here you use a history of oppression and marginalization to argue for further oppression and marginalization ? Probably not the best way to go.

The Ozzie and Harriet (1950's - John Howard) view of marriage which is in itself relatively recent historically and going back to it is unlikely or would you like to go back further to marrying to secure political alliances or ending inter-tribal warfare ?

Did you know that Nero was married to a male ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/13/conservatives-say-ma...

Things have changed the last few decades this article is saying it has been the progress women have made.

There is a BBC doco called the "Seven Ages of Britain" that goes from the neolithic to the modern, it includes marriage and how thing have changed over the last 2 thousand years. Worth a watch.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92408 Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #76 - Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:39pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 9:58pm: Vote NO for Australia I agree, Sprint. Vote no to everything. No?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #77 - Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:40pm Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 9:58pm: Vote NO for Australia I agree, Sprint. Vote no to everything. No? Correct!
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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #78 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 12:20am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 1:30pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 9:06am:

This Vote is a crock of the first order

Our Parliamentarians are put there to Govern the Country and take care of issues such as this

It is clear to me a conscience vote on all sides of Parliament should have been the way to go

This not a matter of government policy but radical social change that will not be reversible by legislation.

There should have been a referendum, compulsory and binding. Bastard senate cross benches blocked it.

And the same sex community would have got 10 X the abuse they are getting now.

This is a very bad idea.

How so? In a binding vote of the people, they could happily say 'thank you for your votes' and retire to their closets again... no questions asked...

Once again - in light of another poster - WHERE EXACTLY is this abuse the same sex community are getting now?

Right here, right now - post the facts and figures.

Thus far it seems that the majority of the abuse is coming FROM the same sex community - which is starting to look like the Muslims ratbags that wave signs around about killing infidels, and then wonder why they get a negative response....

Once again - I voted NO - primarily because I will not tolerate bullying and stand-over as the means of discussion, and I have NO respect for anyone who uses those tools.

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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #79 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 5:15pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 11:02am:

Grendel wrote on Sep 17^th, 2017 at 10:40am:

Is this to-ing and fro-ong every 3 years what you want? Is that what you consider good governance?

Both parliaments are legitimate, aren't they?

That won't happen. Surveys show that there is around 55% support for ssm with about 20% undecided.

Does this mean that the government postal survey will yeild the same result?
No it doesn't.

Whilst the "yes" camp have to present a case for why you should vote yes. All the "No" camp have to do is convince you not to vote yes. Convincing someone not to vote yes is a much easier thing to do as our track record of failed referendums have shown.

So now we see the "no" camp bringing up various red herrings and distrations. Claiming the victim status, claiming they are being bullied, the absurd claim that ssm will result in the end of civilisation. There are also many people sympathetic to the ssm cause who are already sick and tired of the media debate.

Tony Abbott knew all this when he proposed the plebisite and he knew it was the best way to derail the whole campaign.

My prediction is that the "no" camp will win.
I will be boycotting the survey

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2172 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #80 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:19pm How lesbians can fuuuck each other when they don't have a dick.
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Reply #81 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

Well, my envelope arrived in the mail today (despite the NO JUNK MAIL notice on the letterbox, of course) and the contents have just been put through my shredder.

Now, if they send me another one with more important questions like:

Should people who have never worked in this country or paid any tax who move here on family reunions get things like Seniors Cards and Centrelink pensions (only because they've just got Australian citizenship and they're the right age) while people who have lived here, worked and paid taxes for decades wait years longer for theirs?

Yep, I'll give them an answer to that - 1000 times if they like.

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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #82 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:51pm

I am waiting for the YES people to persuade me to vote YES...... a good solid reason all this love crap.. kind of hasnt been tested....lets wait until we see a gay couple in a public divorce just to see where did the love go??..

lust doesnt make a marriage....in fact it soon wears out and what have you got left.. usually not a thing in common.... Sad

maybe there isnt any lust in a gay relationship.. Roll Eyes

its all love till death us do part......

does anyone believe that???

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #83 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:27pm Gays in countries with SSM have divorces just like like everyone else. They ain't a special breed ya know. They discover marriage ain't all wine and roses. Was being told by a bunch of women today how lovely gay men are....
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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #84 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:30pm

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

I am waiting for the YES people to persuade me to vote YES...... a good solid reason all this love crap.. kind of hasnt been tested....lets wait until we see a gay couple in a public divorce just to see where did the love go??..

lust doesnt make a marriage....in fact it soon wears out and what have you got left.. usually not a thing in common.... Sad

maybe there isnt any lust in a gay relationship.. Roll Eyes

its all love till death us do part......

does anyone believe that???

I am waiting for the YES people to persuade me to vote YES

after about 200 posts supporting a no vote you are now undecided, well I guess a woman's prerogative ????

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57172 Here Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #85 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:32pm capitosinora wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:19pm: How lesbians can fuuuck each other when they don't have a dick. Some have a draw full and most likely all bigger that yours
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #86 - Sep 19^th, 2017 at 2:45pm Grendel wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Gays in countries with SSM have divorces just like like everyone else. They ain't a special breed ya know. They discover marriage ain't all wine and roses. Was being told by a bunch of women today how lovely gay men are.... Women
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #87 - Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:31pm Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:32pm: capitosinora wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:19pm: How lesbians can fuuuck each other when they don't have a dick. Some have a draw full and most likely all bigger that yours gosh you know so much dna...
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Re: Voting NO is the way to go
Reply #88 - Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

I am waiting for the YES people to persuade me to vote YES...... a good solid reason all this love crap.. kind of hasnt been tested....lets wait until we see a gay couple in a public divorce just to see where did the love go??..

lust doesnt make a marriage....in fact it soon wears out and what have you got left.. usually not a thing in common.... Sad

maybe there isnt any lust in a gay relationship.. Roll Eyes

its all love till death us do part......

does anyone believe that???

I am waiting for the YES people to persuade me to vote YES

after about 200 posts supporting a no vote you are now undecided, well I guess a woman's prerogative ????

oh alright I have voted too late but shouldnt they be telling us why they are voting yes

love is such a weak silly excuse......and I dont believe most give a stuff about it to be honest....that piece of paper and mark in the register doesnt have a thing to do with love .......and if it did and was perfect why is the divorce register just as full.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Voting NO is the way to go Reply #89 - Sep 19^th, 2017 at 4:41pm Marriage has always been defined as an eternal commitment between a man and woman. Therefore, second and third marriages etc. (except in the case of death) should be illegal.
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