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Reply #61 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:22pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

cods wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:56am:

Seriously ~ Why is the suicide rate in Australia so high?

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Statistics on Suicide in Australia

Suicide remains the leading cause of death for Australians aged between 15 and 44.

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The suicide rate amongst Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples is more than double the national rate. In 2015, suicide accounted for 5.2% of all Indigenous deaths compared to 1.8% for non-Indigenous people.

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The ABS recorded 3,027 deaths by intentional self-harm in 2015, the highest number on record.

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VETERINARIANS, paramedics, security guards, truck drivers and engineers share some of the state’s deadliest jobs a new report has found.

A Victorian Coroners Prevention Unit report into suicide rates among workers in key professions raises serious questions about the level of support provided in some occupations.

Employee groups say trauma, isolation, long hours, stress and poor pay contribute to high suicide rates in some professions,

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do you think men find it harder to cope?..

disappointment rejection ignorance its there all through our lives..

maybe men are told too often not to cry why is it shameful for a man to cry I have never understood that.

men are .... scared by emotions.

So immature men used to say 'don't cry'.
That has sort of gone.

but men often lack other men friends.
So all their 'friendship' emotions go to a female.
Or are stifled.

many of the comments on chat sites point to a guy who has few or no real male friends.
Or who has repressed emotions.

Being a bloke can be trying.

I love the way you allow us to see inside a man Sprint- thank you- it's important

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Reply #63 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:43pm

cods wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

cods wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

do you think men find it harder to cope?..

disappointment rejection ignorance its there all through our lives..

maybe men are told too often not to cry why is it shameful for a man to cry I have never understood that.

men are .... scared by emotions.

So immature men used to say 'don't cry'.
That has sort of gone.

but men often lack other men friends.
So all their 'friendship' emotions go to a female.
Or are stifled.

many of the comments on chat sites point to a guy who has few or no real male friends.
Or who has repressed emotions.

Being a bloke can be trying.

expectations are higher......you are meant to be stronger and have all the answers..

I find the stats to be very sad and very alarming to be honest...we need to give men back their self esteem I dont blame the fair sex entirely but we never seem to give credit where its due anymore...

I am not sure I would want to be a man to be honest....I have always thought you had the best of the deal....if I can call it that.....but not anymore...I look at my beautiful grandsons. I have 5 and I am always telling them how important they are and how proud I am of what they do I give them a pat on the back no matter how small the deed...one of them won the Golden Gloves in Qld I am not happy he is boxing but I couldnt be prouder of him not becaus ehe won.. because he keep trying he works two jobs. is studying at CITS.....turns up at all our family do's...hes 21 a credit to mum and dad...

its just what I would want for every young man out there...

yes, few men win the golden gloves, study at CITS and work 2 jobs.

Few man have male mentors who are Quote:

...........always telling them how important they are and how proud I am of what they do I give them a pat on the back no matter how small the deed.............

Men have little to fall back on .
Men have little support.

Look at the aggressive shallow 'blokeish' comments from men here.

'....the university of hardknox' .....

' ..... International joke:

Q: How do you kill an Australian?

A: Leave them alone and they will do it themselves. ..... '

' .......... There are two ways to look at being driven to suicide.

One is to beva pussy and give in, taking your own life.

The other, and my choice, is to take out that which drives you to this point.
If its too big, start small, destroy the tools, the mechanisms, the people involved.
If you get a chance, head for the top........ '

After 30 years of that attitude, most people would have problems AND have noone to talk to about them

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Reply #64 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:46pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:16am:

your posts are contributory bogarde and there is humor in them
same as herbert
this is part of "raising the vibration".
your aim should be to "leave the forum "better then you found it.
the people who seek to destroy and seek to leave the forum "worse then they found it" are a concern.
a genuine suicide risk.

if ever i get down , i go do some work with landcare or riding for the disabled because it cant help but be "expansive energy"
if you have a section of riverbank and you clear out the stinging nettles and the lantana and the lawyer vine and then you sit on the nice grass, you can literally feel that you have "left something better then you found it".

and when you are doing this, nature will reward you, nature will seep into your neurology and make you mentally healthy because you are an ally to nature.

i think at a subconscious level a lot of the inner city greens hate and despise themselves because they know they are an imposition on nature. they try to cover this up by driving a prius or eating no meat or having no kids but they still are not really leaving nature better then they found it.

if they come out to my valley, i can give them infinite work to sooth this psychopathology, but if you are stuck in negative self talk, its hard to see your way thru the fog of this toxic self narrative

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Reply #65 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:49pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:16am:

your posts are contributory bogarde and there is humor in them
same as herbert
this is part of "raising the vibration".
your aim should be to "leave the forum "better then you found it.
the people who seek to destroy and seek to leave the forum "worse then they found it" are a concern.
a genuine suicide risk.

if ever i get down , i go do some work with landcare or riding for the disabled because it cant help but be "expansive energy"
if you have a section of riverbank and you clear out the stinging nettles and the lantana and the lawyer vine and then you sit on the nice grass, you can literally feel that you have "left something better then you found it".

and when you are doing this, nature will reward you, nature will seep into your neurology and make you mentally healthy because you are an ally to nature.

i think at a subconscious level a lot of the inner city greens hate and despise themselves because they know they are an imposition on nature. they try to cover this up by driving a prius or eating no meat or having no kids but they still are not really leaving nature better then they found it.

if they come out to my valley, i can give them infinite work to sooth this psychopathology, but if you are stuck in negative self talk, its hard to see your way thru the fog of this toxic self narrative

Yes... your suggestion is certainly something to grab hold of for people stuck in an urban nightmare. Nature heals. Caring for Nature just comes naturally once properly exposed.

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Reply #66 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 12:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Maybe it's because there are women like mothra around.

I don't find Mothra too bad at all.

I think it does her credit that she starts threads on subjects that have plenty of scope for discussion and diverse opinions.

Isn't that just called stirring the pot?

The trouble with mothra is she always wants to discuss pan-socialist ideas rather than sticking to the issues that are most relevant to Australia. We all sympathise with the plight of the slave labour in Sri Lanka etc, but the reality for most of us here in Realityland is that we have no impact on that and little to no choice but to tolerate it - until this nation can stand on its own two feet again after ridding itself of all its social and economic evils that have held sway for forty odd years now.

Mothra is clearly intelligent, but lacking in (gasps) emotional intelligence.... and often feels that confrontation brings the best results... a bit like longie in that way - the way to negotiate is to tear their balls off, call them stupid or deranged or 'out of touch'** or whatever, and then dictate terms....

**I can assure you I am fully 'in touch' with issues - I just happen to disagree with the way many of them are handled and sold in the futile hope that a gullible community will continue to assist in putting on its own chains to benefit the 'inside' groups.

You shouldn't be like that Grappler.
Nobody asked or wants to know your opinion of Mothra.
You know what your mother used to say..if you can't.... !!!!???

Your opinions are often way outside MY comfort zone, but I respect you nevertheless.

Men are in a hard place, this is true.
I think that many men live lives of resentment and victimhood.
(as do women, they just generally handle it better, having had all of history to get used to it..)

Men have heard all their lives of their role in the world, and now, that is radically different in many ways.

For some men..responsibility and expectations never really held before are now weighing on their shoulders.

It is scary. It isn't YOUR world anymore. You have to share.
You have to GROW UP.
Inevitably those unable to adapt will fall by the way.
This is LIFE.

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Re: Why do so many men want to kill themselves ?
Reply #67 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 12:54am

Emma wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 12:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Maybe it's because there are women like mothra around.

I don't find Mothra too bad at all.

I think it does her credit that she starts threads on subjects that have plenty of scope for discussion and diverse opinions.

Isn't that just called stirring the pot?

The trouble with mothra is she always wants to discuss pan-socialist ideas rather than sticking to the issues that are most relevant to Australia. We all sympathise with the plight of the slave labour in Sri Lanka etc, but the reality for most of us here in Realityland is that we have no impact on that and little to no choice but to tolerate it - until this nation can stand on its own two feet again after ridding itself of all its social and economic evils that have held sway for forty odd years now.

Mothra is clearly intelligent, but lacking in (gasps) emotional intelligence.... and often feels that confrontation brings the best results... a bit like longie in that way - the way to negotiate is to tear their balls off, call them stupid or deranged or 'out of touch'** or whatever, and then dictate terms....

**I can assure you I am fully 'in touch' with issues - I just happen to disagree with the way many of them are handled and sold in the futile hope that a gullible community will continue to assist in putting on its own chains to benefit the 'inside' groups.

You shouldn't be like that Grappler.
Nobody asked or wants to know your opinion of Mothra.
You know what your mother used to say..if you can't.... !!!!???

Your opinions are often way outside MY comfort zone, but I respect you nevertheless.

Men are in a hard place, this is true.
I think that many men live lives of resentment and victimhood.
(as do women, they just generally handle it better, having had all of history to get used to it..)

Men have heard all their lives of their role in the world, and now, that is radically different in many ways.

For some men..responsibility and expectations never really held before are now weighing on their shoulders.

It is scary. It isn't YOUR world anymore. You have to share.
You have to GROW UP.
Inevitably those unable to adapt will fall by the way.
This is LIFE.

As before - I'm well in touch with the issues - I simply do not agree with the way they have been handled over the past forty years and are being handled now.

Do I look like I care if anyone wants to hear my opinions of mothra or anyone else?

Look into my eyes.......... I will give my views anywhere, any time... and you may agree or disagree - but you may not attack my personal integrity in any way.....

Women handle their 'oppression' better? You surely are kidding..... do you have some objection to people who raise disagreement over obvious wrongs or something and who seek to set right the very serious wrongs within our society at this time?

Time for many to grow up and realise that they need to EARN their way in life and not expect to be handed all the goodies for nothing, and that wrong is wrong no matter how you cloak it in fine raiment and fine words.....

**dusts off hands - another job well done**

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Reply #68 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 3:28am

I will give my views anywhere, any time... and you may agree or disagree - but you may not attack my personal integrity in any way.....

I HAVE NOT ATTACKED YOUR INTEGRITY IN ANY WAY.

do you have some objection to people who raise disagreement over obvious wrongs or something and who seek to set right the very serious wrongs within our society at this time?

NO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO ANYONE SEEKING TO RIGHT WRONGS.

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Reply #69 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 6:36am

Emma wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 3:28am:

I will give my views anywhere, any time... and you may agree or disagree - but you may not attack my personal integrity in any way.....

I HAVE NOT ATTACKED YOUR INTEGRITY IN ANY WAY.

do you have some objection to people who raise disagreement over obvious wrongs or something and who seek to set right the very serious wrongs within our society at this time?

NO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO ANYONE SEEKING TO RIGHT WRONGS.

you sure have problems with me emma...even though we never exchange posts..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #70 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 7:52am

Yadda wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

No woman ever had a toxic emotion...

LOL !!

.....but you can't help but notice, the results of the venom.

The 'dead bodies'.

"She was practiced at the art of deception. Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands."

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Reply #71 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:06am

Valkie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

"I know that in the psychiatric profession the psychiatrists have routine scheduled therapy sessions with a fellow-psychiatrist."

Maybe that's what drives them over the edge...

Maybe they have to listen to your stories. That would drive anyone over the edge.

These same psychiatrists who claim to believe that homosexuality is normal.

SAY NO MORE

In a certain year at a certain place psychiatrists gathered in conference to agree to no longer describe homosexuality as a mental illness characterised by sexual deviancy. This Agreement was totally political and had nothing to do with clinic findings or new insights into this severe neurosis.

Such has been their lack of academic integrity and their dishonesty ever since Gaydom became a political football with all parties scrambling to take the moral high-ground. The psychiatric profession prostituted itself shamelessly and to its eternal discredit.

It was a great day for the arse-bandits and the pillow-biters.

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Reply #72 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 8:20am

Emma wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 12:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Maybe it's because there are women like mothra around.

I don't find Mothra too bad at all.

I think it does her credit that she starts threads on subjects that have plenty of scope for discussion and diverse opinions.

Isn't that just called stirring the pot?

The trouble with mothra is she always wants to discuss pan-socialist ideas rather than sticking to the issues that are most relevant to Australia. We all sympathise with the plight of the slave labour in Sri Lanka etc, but the reality for most of us here in Realityland is that we have no impact on that and little to no choice but to tolerate it - until this nation can stand on its own two feet again after ridding itself of all its social and economic evils that have held sway for forty odd years now.

Mothra is clearly intelligent, but lacking in (gasps) emotional intelligence.... and often feels that confrontation brings the best results... a bit like longie in that way - the way to negotiate is to tear their balls off, call them stupid or deranged or 'out of touch'** or whatever, and then dictate terms....

**I can assure you I am fully 'in touch' with issues - I just happen to disagree with the way many of them are handled and sold in the futile hope that a gullible community will continue to assist in putting on its own chains to benefit the 'inside' groups.

You shouldn't be like that Grappler.
Nobody asked or wants to know your opinion of Mothra.
You know what your mother used to say..if you can't.... !!!!???

Your opinions are often way outside MY comfort zone, but I respect you nevertheless.

Men are in a hard place, this is true.
I think that many men live lives of resentment and victimhood.
(as do women, they just generally handle it better, having had all of history to get used to it..)

Men have heard all their lives of their role in the world, and now, that is radically different in many ways.

For some men..responsibility and expectations never really held before are now weighing on their shoulders.

It is scary. It isn't YOUR world anymore. You have to share.
You have to GROW UP.
Inevitably those unable to adapt will fall by the way.
This is LIFE.

some mixed up thinking in there.
You are indeed correct that part of the problem is that many men have become victims and just feel sorry for themselves.
But that is precisely the problem.
men need to be accept (as do women) that being a victim and feeling sorry for yourself is merely self sabotage and the ONLY way out of this is to give up your addiction to these negative thought loops.

i have to disagree strongly that men are now "burdened ' with all these new and onerous "responsibilities".

men have, in fact, abrogated their responsibilites.

a man , if he is to be any use to a woman or a child or to society has to have "good and positive things" going on in his mind. this is HIS responsibility.

if a woman and eventually children are to be part of his frame of mind, then he better make dam sure that his frame of mind is filled with joy , passion and positive thoughts.

this is where men have gone wrong.

its simply easier to be a butt hurt little "sorry for yourself" puke who wants everyone else to pleasure you.
its childish.

men are told by "groupthink" to attract womenwith money or cars or big muscles or a rolex. these are gimmicks.

eventually, a man has to ask himself one question.

if a woman is to know the real authentic me, if she is to become part of my mental world, then is that world a world of positive emotions, joy, passion, courage, expansive energy and contribution.

if its not, then that man needs to work on himself until he creates that mental frame for himself.
everything short of that is window dressing and will eventually be seen thru and lead to disaster.

and most men will not do it because they are too damm lazy to do it.

laziness has lead to craziness.

men have to own it and do something about it.

they need to shoulder the burden of being men and master their emotions or they will always know they are a fraud

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Reply #73 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 9:02am

Emma wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 12:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Maybe it's because there are women like mothra around.

I don't find Mothra too bad at all.

I think it does her credit that she starts threads on subjects that have plenty of scope for discussion and diverse opinions.

Isn't that just called stirring the pot?

The trouble with mothra is she always wants to discuss pan-socialist ideas rather than sticking to the issues that are most relevant to Australia. We all sympathise with the plight of the slave labour in Sri Lanka etc, but the reality for most of us here in Realityland is that we have no impact on that and little to no choice but to tolerate it - until this nation can stand on its own two feet again after ridding itself of all its social and economic evils that have held sway for forty odd years now.

Mothra is clearly intelligent, but lacking in (gasps) emotional intelligence.... and often feels that confrontation brings the best results... a bit like longie in that way - the way to negotiate is to tear their balls off, call them stupid or deranged or 'out of touch'** or whatever, and then dictate terms....

**I can assure you I am fully 'in touch' with issues - I just happen to disagree with the way many of them are handled and sold in the futile hope that a gullible community will continue to assist in putting on its own chains to benefit the 'inside' groups.

You shouldn't be like that Grappler.
Nobody asked or wants to know your opinion of Mothra.
You know what your mother used to say..if you can't.... !!!!???

Your opinions are often way outside MY comfort zone, but I respect you nevertheless.

Men are in a hard place, this is true.
I think that many men live lives of resentment and victimhood.
(as do women, they just generally handle it better, having had all of history to get used to it..)

Men have heard all their lives of their role in the world, and now, that is radically different in many ways.

For some men..responsibility and expectations never really held before are now weighing on their shoulders.

It is scary. It isn't YOUR world anymore. You have to share.
You have to GROW UP.
Inevitably those unable to adapt will fall by the way.
This is LIFE.

I agree with a lot of what you say Emma

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Reply #74 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 9:21am

I think its multi-factorial.

Mental health is always an area where its chronically under resourced. And its a real issue. Its well and truly good when you are healthy, you can say what are you going to do when you feel a bit 'down'.

Depression is more than about feeling a bit 'down'. I know, because I have seen this happening to a close family friend, who you can say by all aspect should not have anything to be depressed about. To an extend where few of us had to drag him out of bed to go to see the doctor. At first, he was lumped into the public health system, through the CATT team. And I tell you, short of him putting a gun to himself or someone else, there are simply not enough resources to get help. Luckily, he is very wealthy, and we were able to get him a place in a private hospital. I would hate to think what would happened if he was left to the mercy of the public system mental health.

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