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Reply #15 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:52pm
 
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Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


So, the answer is no. There is no condemnation of same-sex attraction or actions by Jesus.

Thank you.

Play the ignorance card all you want: you can't make others interpret scripture like you wish to!

It's called society brother and you're just a weird fruit!
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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


There is none.

There is plenty in the OT....but whenever expedient, the God Botherers repudiate its atrocious content as cleansed/expunged by the birth of Jesus, and don't start me about that fairy tale.


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


That is Old Testament, DRAH.....nothing to do with Jesus, I am often reminded.



Jesus supported the Old Testament.
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Reply #17 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:52pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


So, the answer is no. There is no condemnation of same-sex attraction or actions by Jesus.

Thank you.

Play the ignorance card all you want: you can't make others interpret scripture like you wish to!

It's called society brother and you're just a weird fruit!


Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality.
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Re: Gay Jesus Will Watch You Vote
Reply #18 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


There is none.

There is plenty in the OT....but whenever expedient, the God Botherers repudiate its atrocious content as cleansed/expunged by the birth of Jesus, and don't start me about that fairy tale.


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


That is Old Testament, DRAH.....nothing to do with Jesus, I am often reminded.



Jesus supported the Old Testament.


Really?  Every word in it?
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Reply #19 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


There is none.

There is plenty in the OT....but whenever expedient, the God Botherers repudiate its atrocious content as cleansed/expunged by the birth of Jesus, and don't start me about that fairy tale.


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


That is Old Testament, DRAH.....nothing to do with Jesus, I am often reminded.



Jesus supported the Old Testament.


He supported SOME of the Old Testament, but not all of it. Why do you think he criticised the Pharisees and those in the Temple?

Jesus was a reformer.
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Re: Gay Jesus Will Watch You Vote
Reply #20 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
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Why do you think he criticised the Pharisees and those in the Temple?


Violent Jesus!
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Reply #21 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:07pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


There is none.

There is plenty in the OT....but whenever expedient, the God Botherers repudiate its atrocious content as cleansed/expunged by the birth of Jesus, and don't start me about that fairy tale.


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


That is Old Testament, DRAH.....nothing to do with Jesus, I am often reminded.



Jesus supported the Old Testament.


Really?  Every word in it?



http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/


I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored.  Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
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Re: Gay Jesus Will Watch You Vote
Reply #22 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
AnotherJourneyByTrain wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Can anyone point to any verse or passage in which Jesus condemns homosexuality?

Just asking the question?


There is none.

There is plenty in the OT....but whenever expedient, the God Botherers repudiate its atrocious content as cleansed/expunged by the birth of Jesus, and don't start me about that fairy tale.


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/same-sex-marriage-bible-view/


That is Old Testament, DRAH.....nothing to do with Jesus, I am often reminded.



Jesus supported the Old Testament.


Really?  Every word in it?



http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/


I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored.  Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)


First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??
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Re: Gay Jesus Will Watch You Vote
Reply #23 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm
 
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB
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Reply #24 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?
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Reply #25 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:18pm
 
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?



He said - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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Reply #26 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?



He said - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Would the Pharisees and Scribes have done the same?
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Reply #27 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:22pm
 
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?



He said - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Would the Pharisees and Scribes have done the same?



Good question - I doubt it.
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Reply #28 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?



He said - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Would the Pharisees and Scribes have done the same?



Good question - I doubt it.


So therefore, this situation indicates that Jesus didn't necessary agree with, nor comply with the OT law.

Q.E.D.
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Reply #29 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:25pm
 
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Caesar Augustus wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
First of all, from a hermaneutics point of view, Matthew was the most Jewish of the apostles and so he would reflect this point of view. I believe that Mark and John didn't say those exactly, but I could be wrong.

There were also verses in which Jesus criticised the law. For e.g. working on the Sabbath??



Explained here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12&version=CEB


Ok, so when Jesus said 'no' to stoning the adulterer, was he following the OT laws?



He said - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


Would the Pharisees and Scribes have done the same?



Good question - I doubt it.


So therefore, this situation indicates that Jesus didn't necessary agree with, nor comply with the OT law.

Q.E.D.



He didn't say - don't stone the woman.    Wink
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