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Sep 12th, 2017 at 11:04am
 
"Let us not forget that those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims. This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity. Is it not worrying in itself that European Christianity is now barely able to keep Europe Christian? If we lose sight of this, the idea of Europe could become a minority interest in its own continent."

At a September 3 campaign rally in the town of Kötcse, Orbán cited expert predictions that more than 60 million people are expected to make their way from Africa into Europe during the next 20 years — thereby pushing Europe's Muslim population to above 20% by 2030. "The Islamization of Europe is real," Orbán warned.

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The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled that the European Commission, the powerful executive arm of the European Union, has the legal right to order EU member states to take in so-called asylum seekers, and, conversely, that EU member states have no legal right to resist those orders.

The September 6 ruling, which has been hailed as a victory for European federalism, highlights the degree to which the European Union has usurped decision-making powers from its 28 member states. The ruling also showcases how the European Union's organs of jurisprudence have become politicized.

Opponents of the relocation scheme say that decisions about the granting of residence permits should be kept at the national level, and that by unilaterally imposing migrant quotas on EU member states, unelected bureaucrats in Brussels are seeking to force the democratically elected leaders of Europe to submit to their diktat.

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Orban said elsewhere that the EU Commission was now acting like the ruler of an Empire rather than the public servants of an association of sovereign nations.

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Reply #1 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
It is time for Europe to free itself from the shackles of political correctness, speak the truth, and face the facts about the violent persecution of Christians, Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said on Thursday.
In a hard-hitting speech delivered at the opening of the first major conference ever held by a government in support of persecuted Christians, Orbán said that the “forced expulsion” of Christians from parts of the Middle East and Africa are “crimes” against the people and communities concerned that also “threaten our European values.”

“The world should understand that what is at stake today is nothing less than the future of the European way of life, and of our identity,” he told the delegates in Budapest.
Over 300 participants from 30 countries, including Christian leaders and representatives from think tanks and charities, gathered for the Oct. 11-13 international consultation on Christian persecution — “Finding the Appropriate Answers to a Long Neglected Crisis.” 

The Hungarian leader, who has been an outspoken defender of Christian values in Europe — and has suffered a backlash from the European Union and others as a result — said it is time to “liberate” the issue from the “shackles of political correctness and human rights incantations which conflate everything with everything else.”

Rather, he said, we are “duty bound” to use facts and “straight-forward language” in describing these events and to “identify the dangers that threaten us.” Four out of five persecuted people are Christians, Orbán noted, and the religion is the most persecuted in the world today, yet the international media gives it “little coverage.”

Furthermore, he said the “greatest danger” is the “indifferent, apathetic silence of a Europe which denies its Christian roots.” The fate of what is happening in the Middle East should “bring home to Europe” what “may also happen to us” he said, at a time when European governments are pursuing an immigration policy  that allows in “dangerous extremists” and will “utterly transform” its culture, ethnicity and Christian identity within a “few generations.”   
After centuries of fighting to defend the “whole of Christian Europe,” and having lived under atheistic Communist dictatorships for much of the 20th century, Orbán said it is a “cruel, absurd joke of fate” to be again living as members of a community “under siege.”
But for all these reasons, he said Hungary wishes to be at the forefront of helping persecuted Christians, and referred to the watchman in the Book of Ezekiel to underline its responsibility: “If a watchman sees the enemy approaching and does not sound the alarm, the Lord will hold that watchman accountable for the deaths of those killed as a result of his inaction.”

“Europe is a Christian continent,” he said, “and this is how we want to keep it.”

Orbán highlighted the fact that Hungary, although only a “medium sized European state,” is a “stable country” and unlike many other countries, is therefore in a position to “speak up for persecuted Christians.” But he stressed it’s not just about talking but acting, and he drew attention to some of the initiatives it has taken, in particular being the only government to set up a ministry dedicated to helping persecuted Christians (the Deputy State Secretariat for the Aid of Persecuted Christians began work last year).

He gave an overview of its achievements so far, which include rebuilding Christian homes, funding scholarships, and resettling displaced Christians. He said he drew attention to these deeds not to “burnish our reputation” (he said the government avoids “doing good things out of calculation, as good deeds must come from the heart, and for the glory of God”) but rather to serve as an example to other countries in the hope they might do likewise.

“When we support the return of persecuted Christians to their homelands, the Hungarian people is fulfilling a mission,” Orbán said, noting that Hungary’s Constitution recognizes “the role of Christianity in preserving nationhood.” 

“If we recognize this for ourselves, then we also recognize it for other nations,” he said. Hungarians, he added, want Christian communities returning to their homelands, becoming “forces for the preservation of their own countries, just as, for us, Hungarian Christianity is a force for preservation.”

He closed by urging Europe’s politicians “to cast aside politically correct modes of speech” and “human rights-induced caution” and instead “do everything within their power for persecuted Christians.”
:NationalCatholicRegister
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Reply #2 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
Orban is seen by other European countries as an ingrate. The EU funds his country's coffers and highways and various schemes, and all it gets in return is moaning.

Hungary never plays the game. When it was in the Eastern block, it stuck its fingers up at the USSR. When it was with the Nazis, it held off on the Final Solution.

Hungary has never gotten over the fall of the Austria-Hungarian empire. It feels Europe owes it.

Hungary will never leave the EU.
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Hungary’s Viktor Orbán has warned that the elites plotting a United States of Europe are using mass migration to engineer a post-Christian, post-national super-state.
Breitbart London has seen a transcript of the Central European leader’s speech to the 7th Plenary Session of the Hungarian Diaspora Council, in which he told listeners: “A nation that has found its feet is a free nation. It is fair to say that since we found our feet we have begun to act as a free nation.

“But this has also brought with it some problems. Whatever a nation of serfs does will seldom lead to international conflict, but this is not the case with a free nation.”

The prime minister was referring to his country’s ongoing struggle with the European Union over whether or not it should be allowed to impose compulsory migrant quotas, and over Hungary’s decision to face its demographic challenges through policies supporting the family, rather than “seeking to build their future demographic and labour policies on immigrants” — like much of Northern and Western Europe.

“Today we live in a world in which we need to protect what we have achieved,” the Fidesz leader warned, adding that the “principal danger” to Europe’s achievements “lies in the debate between globalists and nations”.

He explained: “Europe has decided to set out on a post-Christian and post-national era. In other words, it has envisaged a new era in which it will replace policy built on Christian traditions and national consciousness with something different. For want of a better term, we call it policy for a ‘United States of Europe’.”

He said that “the political forces intent on creating a United States of Europe have been deliberately transporting to Europe – and will continue to transport – multitudes of people from other cultures” in the service of their ultimate goals, due to a “definite underlying attitude that, in a United States of Europe, nations and their Christian character are more of a drawback than a benefit”.

“This is the only logical explanation for millions of people being transported to Europe from other cultures – as there must be some sort of explanation for why this is happening now. We cannot consider this to be an accident,” he said, insisting that the EU would be perfectly capable of defending its external border if it had the will — as Hungary’s own highly effective border wall amply demonstrates.

Prime Minister Orbán finished his address with a rhetorical flourish, referring to the 2018 parliamentary elections in which his party is currently polling strongly:

“Shall we protect our achievements and keep Hungary as a non-immigrant country, or shall we throw in the towel and accept the dictates of others?

“Shall we revert from a free nation to a subjugated nation?
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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47am
 

t appears that there may be an effort to stop this speech from being seen. There is something funny about the numbers at Youtube. So I am going to make it a sticky post, and ask you all to please watch it if you have not, and tweet and email the link to it to all you know. This is the thing we need. To know there is at least one leader in the world willing to speak it like it is, and stand up to the forces we know are trying to bring down classical civ.

https://vladtepesblog.com/2017/11/16/viktor-orban-speech-of-the-century-we-will-...

Make Europe and the West Great Again!!!!   Wink
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:36am
 
Amen to that.
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 3:10pm:
Orban is seen by other European countries as an ingrate. The EU funds his country's coffers and highways and various schemes, and all it gets in return is moaning.

Hungary never plays the game. When it was in the Eastern block, it stuck its fingers up at the USSR. When it was with the Nazis, it held off on the Final Solution.

Hungary has never gotten over the fall of the Austria-Hungarian empire. It feels Europe owes it.

Hungary will never leave the EU.



Not liking imperial occupation and directives is now 'not playing the game"?? The EU is the new Soviet = the reason for Brexit.

WHen an old Maoist can be EU president and then chairman of Goldman Sachs, you know it's a rotten institution.



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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:44pm
 
More on this:



The refugees are the problem and the borders are the solution.

Or

The borders are the problem and the refugees are the solution.

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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:07am
 
Orban is great - and his people think so, too:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5106147/EU-implodes-nation-nation-turns-far-Right.html#ixzz4zXRK7JIL
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Reply #9 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 6:46am
 
Mr Orban has again delivered a broadside against Brussels as he discussed plans to counter what he calls the Soros Plan to enforce mass immigration.
He says Hungary will implement family-oriented policies to grow its population by natural increase thus destroying the EU argument for more foreign migrants.

Meanwhile Hungary is to send men and materials to neighbouring Macedonia (Alexander's birthplace) to strengthen its border defences against an expected new onslaught of welfare & country shoppers in the near future.
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Reply #10 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 8:55am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2017 at 6:46am:
Mr Orban has again delivered a broadside against Brussels as he discussed plans to counter what he calls the Soros Plan to enforce mass immigration.
He says Hungary will implement family-oriented policies to grow its population by natural increase thus destroying the EU argument for more foreign migrants.

Meanwhile Hungary is to send men and materials to neighbouring Macedonia (Alexander's birthplace) to strengthen its border defences against an expected new onslaught of welfare & country shoppers in the near future.


Having worked with Hungarians I can well believe that Orban has most of his countrymen onside.

Compare his concern for preserving the historic identity of Hungary as against the pathetic wimp who is our current prime minister.

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Reply #11 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 9:38am
 
"Promote & encourage"?

What the hell would he say that for?
Its not as if he'd ever get their votes.
These people have no idea. They think they will integrate like human beings.
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Reply #12 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 11:10am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2017 at 9:38am:
"Promote & encourage"?

What the hell would he say that for?
Its not as if he'd ever get their votes.
These people have no idea. They think they will integrate like human beings.


He has ambitions for becoming an Elder Statesman at UN Headquarters when his current gig is over.

The UN draws these Far Leftwingers like blowflies to a freshly-laid hot cow pat.
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I'd like to see more of the context of that quote.
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Reply #14 - Dec 27th, 2017 at 9:59am
 
This man, Viktor Orban, speaks I believe for the real Europeans:

“The fundaments of European life are under attack”. We don’t want our Christmas markets to be renamed, and we definitely don’t want to retreat behind concrete blocks (…) We don’t want our Christmas masses to be surrounded by fear and distress. We don’t want our women, our daughters to be harassed in the New Year’s Eve crowd.” . . .

Europe’s immune system is being deliberately weakened. They want us to stop being who we are. They want us to become those who we don’t want to be. They want us to mix with people from another world and to change in order to make it trouble-free. In the light of Christmas candles, we can clearly see the attacks against Christian culture, the attempts to dissolve Europe. They want to take away our own life and change it to something which is not our life.”

:The Hungary Journal via Voice of Europe
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