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Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
Female prawns are having their eyes sliced open and cut off!



Prawn farms are performing a cruel procedure on live prawns to make them breed faster. Female prawns have their eye sliced open and squeezed out, or cut off with a heated blade — usually without any pain relief. This practice, called 'eyestalk ablation' happens in almost all prawn hatcheries around the world — including Australia.

A female prawn has a hormonal gland behind her eye that moderates reproduction, only allowing her to breed when conditions are suitable. The stressful and crowded conditions on farms can make prawns reluctant to reproduce. By cutting her eye, prawn farmers destroy the gland, forcing her into rapid sexual maturity.

Scientists have found that prawns who have their eye sliced open or cut off become disoriented, flick their tails (an escape reflex) and rub the traumatised area — all behaviours associated with pain.

Research has found that, given the right environment, female prawns will breed without having their eye cut off. One of Latin America's largest group of prawn farms, SeaJoy, has already phased out this gruesome procedure.

If you believe that all animals deserve compassion, send a message to the heads of the Australian Prawn Farmers Association and tell them to stop cutting eyes off prawns.





Sign the petition here:


https://secure.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/prawns-eyes-cut-off/
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:23pm
 
I've signed it.

The human species disgusts me for the most part.

Where is the leadership from our politicians to ban these cruel practices, but instead we have to go begging and signing petitions.

Utterly pathetic.

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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:25pm
 
Onya Herbie. Couldn't agree more.
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Reply #3 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:36pm
 
Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2.  Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.
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Reply #4 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
Onya Herbie. Couldn't agree more.


Where profits are the issue, human decency comes a distant second.

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Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:41pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2.  Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.



Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.
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Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
The abuses of batchhouse chicken 'farms' and the Live Export industry are just two of the most glaring moral damnations that can be cited against the feeble characters we having 'serving the community' down there in Canberra.

Yes, it's true, I've been known to piss on snails in my backyard during the rainy seasons, but then they soon retreat into their shells at the onset of these Golden Showers that I favour them with.

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Reply #8 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:44pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2.  Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.



Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.




Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.
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Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2.  Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.



Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.




Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?



What does something need eyes for?
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
What does something need eyes for?



Cut off what's at the end of Bojack's stalk and let's see how he likes it.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2.  Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.



Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.




Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?



What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.
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Reply #15 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.
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In other words facts.
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Reply #17 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.
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Reply #18 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
In other words facts.



It's either okay with you or it isn't. I'm not interested in trying to convince you to care about prawns. That's entirely up to you.

Sign the petition, don't sign the petition. Whatever.
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Reply #19 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.




Get off your damn high horse and actually read I wrote again.
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Reply #20 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.




Get off your damn high horse and actually read I wrote again.


I did. And my reflection of it is spot on.
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Reply #21 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
In other words facts.



It's either okay with you or it isn't. I'm not interested in trying to convince you to care about prawns. That's entirely up to you.

Sign the petition, don't sign the petition. Whatever.




Cool, I wont sign the petition, I'll do stuff that actually works, like trying to source prawns from areas that dont use ablation.
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Reply #22 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:01pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.




Get off your damn high horse and actually read I wrote again.


I did. And my reflection of it is spot on.



I said get off your high horse and then do it. In other words, stop being a emotional retard and try facts.


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Reply #23 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:02pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
In other words facts.



It's either okay with you or it isn't. I'm not interested in trying to convince you to care about prawns. That's entirely up to you.

Sign the petition, don't sign the petition. Whatever.




Cool, I wont sign the petition, I'll do stuff that actually works, like trying to source prawns from areas that dont use ablation.



And how do you know about ablation, Bojack?
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Reply #24 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:02pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:01pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:43pm:
I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.




Get off your damn high horse and actually read I wrote again.


I did. And my reflection of it is spot on.



I said get off your high horse and then do it. In other words, stop being a emotional retard and try facts.




Where have i not stated facts?

It seems to me you just don't like the summary of your input thus far. I can understand why.
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Prawns are feminists and other ideologues now?  Who'd 've thunk it?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
I've signed it.

The human species disgusts me for the most part.

Where is the leadership from our politicians to ban these cruel practices, but instead we have to go begging and signing petitions.

Utterly pathetic.



I agree....
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Reply #27 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:06pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:01pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:53pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
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I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.


So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.




You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.


On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.




Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.




No my reaction would be the same as yours. To ethically source prawns, or do more research into how widepread this practice usually is, or if its a PETA style beat up.


Yet, it wasn't, was it. You just talked about how it was financially nonviable not to and said that it didn't matter if prawns had their eyes sliced or burnt off.




Get off your damn high horse and actually read I wrote again.


I did. And my reflection of it is spot on.



I said get off your high horse and then do it. In other words, stop being a emotional retard and try facts.




Where have i not stated facts?

It seems to me you just don't like the summary of your input thus far. I can understand why.




Apart from the misinterpretation of i dont defend the practice, but .....
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But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.
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Why is it that we try to ban sustainable harvest of free range animals before this sort of thing?
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.




I meant in terms of how commonplace this is in Australia (in reference to the beat up)

E.g. mothra, do you know how commonplace this is?
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.




I meant in terms of how commonplace this is in Australia (in reference to the beat up)

E.g. mothra, do you know how commonplace this is?



Standard practice.
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Reply #32 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:28pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:25pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.




I meant in terms of how commonplace this is in Australia (in reference to the beat up)

E.g. mothra, do you know how commonplace this is?



Standard practice.




Thats a pretty vague answer. 50%? 60%?
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:25pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.




I meant in terms of how commonplace this is in Australia (in reference to the beat up)

E.g. mothra, do you know how commonplace this is?



Standard practice.




Thats a pretty vague answer. 50%? 60%?



Almost every. I do not know percentages. I don't see why it matters.
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The human species disgusts me for the most part.



Herbie and I are in complete agreement, once again.

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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:25pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:20pm:
But Bojack, you did defend the practice. You were more focused on whether it was a PETA style beat-up than the animals rights violation that you strove to justify it .. even going so far as to question what prawns would need with eyes anyway, at least both of them.

And because it's just a pesky animal rights campaign, you won't sign the petition because you don't think anything so trivial an prawns being so commercially over-bred that they become so distressed they require having their eyes removed to make reproduction economically viable should be considered by our decision makers.

Not really important enough is it? You just will ask the fish monger is those prawns in the window had their eyes cut or burnt off.

Thank you for doing something.




I meant in terms of how commonplace this is in Australia (in reference to the beat up)

E.g. mothra, do you know how commonplace this is?



Standard practice.




Thats a pretty vague answer. 50%? 60%?



Almost every. I do not know percentages. I don't see why it matters.




Because if its 1%, its not standard. Again its the argument about facts.  I've dealt with animals australia before when they emailed me about the practices at my work and found their facts extremely dodgy.
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Pity the prawns. Just let the human children remain in abusive households getting molested and bashed, this is a prime example of Mothras lack of moral compass.
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It's standard practice, Bojack. All over the world.

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Reply #38 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:41pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:39pm:
It's standard practice, Bojack. All over the world.




All I'm reading from this is that you can't answer my question.
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:39pm:
It's standard practice, Bojack. All over the world.




All I'm reading from this is that you can't answer my question.


What is your question, Bojack?

Why is it relevant?
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What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
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What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.


Exactly how i see it too, Herbie. Well put!
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Pity the prawns. Just let the human children remain in abusive households getting molested and bashed, this is a prime example of Mothras lack of moral compass.


Bojack will be returning to us shortly to tell us how he feels about the thing at the end of his stalk being sliced off for commercially profittable reasons.

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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:39pm:
It's standard practice, Bojack. All over the world.




All I'm reading from this is that you can't answer my question.


What is your question, Bojack?

Why is it relevant?



Because the petition is designed on the basis the practice is widespread. You've said its standard. What does any of that mean?
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.




All of which is emotional. So you agree with me.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.


Exactly how i see it too, Herbie. Well put!


Anyone who has been circumcised unjustly should be signing this petition.  Smiley
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
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What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.




All of which is emotional. So you agree with me.


Not ethical then. Well, certainly not from your perspective.
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All of which is emotional. So you agree with me.


If those emotions are prompted by ones moral values and ability to empathise, then they are not emotions which have no substance or justification.

And frankly I think your little game has exhausted itself in terms or needing any more attention from either myself or Mothra.

Leave the little sod alone, Mothra, his trolling has run its course.
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Pity the prawns. Just let the human children remain in abusive households getting molested and bashed, this is a prime example of Mothras lack of moral compass.


What?
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First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.
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First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?
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... or prefer having sight over not having sight?
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... or prefer having sight over not having sight?


He's just having a Matty moment, Mother.

Thanks for the petition, by the way. It's these sorts of genuine problems and solutions that make a site like this site worth coming to again.

Otherwise, this site would just be a group w@nk for racists.
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You're welcome, Karnal. Thanks from me and the prawns for caring ... Smiley
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For gods sake Mothra. You should know that emotion has no valid use when it comes to governing intellect.  Roll Eyes
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We all know that kids who pull wings off flies end up in prisons for their cruel ways.

The over-populated nations deem it necessary to justify their irresponsible breedings by sustaining themselves in 'any' manner possible at the cost of everything else.
Even Prawns. Over-populated nations 'can't afford' to do things right - they are desperate.

Don't expect Politicians to know what's best for Conservation and animals. Where is a Nation that makes Conservation as its priority and can set a good example for every other Nation? There is none. So until then, animals will always be FREE GAME.

Petitions and Protests never achieve much success, especially here in OZ, where the Politicians have blatantly expressed on Radio that such will always just be ignored ('arrogantly'). The Liberals have already stated they will no longer fund any protective measures for animal species that are deemed of no 'constructive/productive' use - regardless how rare.

Mind you, remember when young and those chicks in the nightclubs who were 'blind' drunk were easy to score with?  Cheesy
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JaSin, many rights for many people and animals have been won through public awareness and agitation.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring humaneness. I think it should be the least we do, don't you?
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We all know that kids who pull wings off flies end up in prisons for their cruel ways.

The over-populated nations deem it necessary to justify their irresponsible breedings by sustaining themselves in 'any' manner possible at the cost of everything else.
Even Prawns. Over-populated nations 'can't afford' to do things right - they are desperate.

Don't expect Politicians to know what's best for Conservation and animals. Where is a Nation that makes Conservation as its priority and can set a good example for every other Nation? There is none. So until then, animals will always be FREE GAME.

Petitions and Protests never achieve much success, especially here in OZ, where the Politicians have blatantly expressed on Radio that such will always just be ignored ('arrogantly'). The Liberals have already stated they will no longer fund any protective measures for animal species that are deemed of no 'constructive/productive' use - regardless how rare.

Mind you, remember when young and those chicks in the nightclubs who were 'blind' drunk were easy to score with?  Cheesy


I've heard the opposite. I've heard governments take a lot of notice about petitions. Petitions have changed a good number of policies.
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JaSin, many rights for many people and animals have been won through public awareness and agitation.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring humaneness. I think it should be the least we do, don't you?


Hell no. Only violence works when it comes to protecting animals from my experience.
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Reply #58 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:42pm
 
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
JaSin, many rights for many people and animals have been won through public awareness and agitation.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requiring humaneness. I think it should be the least we do, don't you?


Hell no. Only violence works when it comes to protecting animals from my experience.


Well that's just not true, JaSin. The overwhelming majority of animal rights campaigners, activists and groups are non-violent.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
For gods sake Mothra. You should know that emotion has no valid use when it comes to governing intellect.  Roll Eyes
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We all know that kids who pull wings off flies end up in prisons for their cruel ways.

The over-populated nations deem it necessary to justify their irresponsible breedings by sustaining themselves in 'any' manner possible at the cost of everything else.
Even Prawns. Over-populated nations 'can't afford' to do things right - they are desperate.

Don't expect Politicians to know what's best for Conservation and animals. Where is a Nation that makes Conservation as its priority and can set a good example for every other Nation? There is none. So until then, animals will always be FREE GAME.

Petitions and Protests never achieve much success, especially here in OZ, where the Politicians have blatantly expressed on Radio that such will always just be ignored ('arrogantly'). The Liberals have already stated they will no longer fund any protective measures for animal species that are deemed of no 'constructive/productive' use - regardless how rare.

Mind you, remember when young and those chicks in the nightclubs who were 'blind' drunk were easy to score with?  Cheesy


I've heard the opposite. I've heard governments take a lot of notice about petitions. Petitions have changed a good number of policies.



Also effective are letters through snail mail. They are considered to represent a percentage of votes. I've forgotten that percentage however.
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No. Violence works better.
See a guy belt a dog. Give him a whack.
Working in Poultry industry and see guys kick the chickens - give them a whacking.
Chinese guy asks me to kill rare species for him. It's a knife to the throat threateningly.
Boaties illegally fishing, its holes in their boats, etc.

Doing the cliché Lefty "Peace, love and moonbeams" does not work. The fact that Lefties have indeed become more violent - as seen in the USA recently just goes to show how 'repressed' and frustrated they are.
Such 'Protesters' have been man-handled quite violently and removed because they are just not taken seriously.
Even John Howard laughed at Old Growth Forest protesters when the Cops and Loggers moved in and 'forcibly' removed them.

You 'peace, love and moonbeamers' are a laugh. No-one takes you seriously.

"Stop" ..."or I'll say 'stop' again."  Roll Eyes
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Preventing animal cruelty is not peace, love and mungbeans, dear. It's our duty as civilised humans.
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No JaSin. There have always been violent protestors on the left. There is nothing new. At every protest, action or demonstation i have ever been to over 20 years, there have been a small percentage of enthusiastic late teen and early-twenties with scarves around their muzzles and throwing stuff.

I was very enthusiastic myself at that age ... but my principles of non-violence saw me take it out on inanimate objects, like the overwhelming majority do and have always done.

But just like every fringe movement or activist expression, the violent enthusiastic ones get on the news. And the masses, unfortunately, apply the qualities of those few to the main.

They do it Muslims too. And feminists. And too many to mention others.
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And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.



Oh think we have become much more humane and conscious of sustainability over the last couple of decades, JaSin.

I, for example, was a freak when i was a teenager. I'm main-stream now.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.


We're discussing the industrial practice of blinding animals to make them breed more. How could anybody justify this?

You might. Anyone else who reads Mothra's article will be horrified.,
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Yeah - those Shark Culling Protests really made head-way  Roll Eyes
Government just laughed at it all.
I see the nets are back in along NSW coast.

Mind you. Providing a better alternative goes a long way too. Until then, things just go along as they have been.

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Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.


We're discussing the industrial practice of blinding animals to make them breed more. How could anybody justify this?

You might. Anyone else who reads Mothra's article will be horrified.,


I'm not justifying it.
I'm saying Protests & Petitions are a waste of time and just make people feel better about themselves having 'tried'.
If you don't like Prawns being eye-gauged, then go burn down the business and let it be an example to the rest.
Belt some of the workers. Bully their kids at school.
Make life hell for them.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Yeah - those Shark Culling Protests really made head-way  Roll Eyes
Government just laughed at it all.
I see the nets are back in along NSW coast.

Mind you. Providing a better alternative goes a long way too. Until then, things just go along as they have been.




Do ou think that as a result of those shark fin protests, awreness was raised? May have made the news evn?

Is that how you know about it?

Do you think anybody who found about it through that mechanism stopped eating shark fin soup? Or told someone else who won't eat shark fin soup anymore?

Someone may read your reference to sharkfin soup and be inspired to learn more about it and change their own practices.

And nobody gets hurt.
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Yeah - those Shark Culling Protests really made head-way  Roll Eyes
Government just laughed at it all.
I see the nets are back in along NSW coast.

Mind you. Providing a better alternative goes a long way too. Until then, things just go along as they have been.




Do ou think that as a result of those shark fin protests, awreness was raised? May have made the news evn?

Is that how you know about it?

Do you think anybody who found about it through that mechanism stopped eating shark fin soup? Or told someone else who won't eat shark fin soup anymore?

Someone may read your reference to sharkfin soup and be inspired to learn more about it and change their own practices.

And nobody gets hurt.


Protests and Petitions are for Victims,
not Victors.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.


We're discussing the industrial practice of blinding animals to make them breed more. How could anybody justify this?

You might. Anyone else who reads Mothra's article will be horrified.,


I'm not justifying it.
I'm saying Protests & Petitions are a waste of time and just make people feel better about themselves having 'tried'.
If you don't like Prawns being eye-gauged, then go burn down the business and let it be an example to the rest.
Belt some of the workers. Bully their kids at school.
Make life hell for them.




Sorry JaSin. I've just seen too much policy change because of non-violent, grass-roots activism to even remotely agree with you.

In fact, violence sets processes back.
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hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.


Anything with a nervous system feels pain.
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Female prawns are having their eyes sliced open and cut off!



Prawn farms are performing a cruel procedure on live prawns to make them breed faster. Female prawns have their eye sliced open and squeezed out, or cut off with a heated blade — usually without any pain relief. This practice, called 'eyestalk ablation' happens in almost all prawn hatcheries around the world — including Australia.

A female prawn has a hormonal gland behind her eye that moderates reproduction, only allowing her to breed when conditions are suitable. The stressful and crowded conditions on farms can make prawns reluctant to reproduce. By cutting her eye, prawn farmers destroy the gland, forcing her into rapid sexual maturity.

Scientists have found that prawns who have their eye sliced open or cut off become disoriented, flick their tails (an escape reflex) and rub the traumatised area — all behaviours associated with pain.

Research has found that, given the right environment, female prawns will breed without having their eye cut off. One of Latin America's largest group of prawn farms, SeaJoy, has already phased out this gruesome procedure.

If you believe that all animals deserve compassion, send a message to the heads of the Australian Prawn Farmers Association and tell them to stop cutting eyes off prawns.





Sign the petition here:


https://secure.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/prawns-eyes-cut-off/


You're a fargin prawn.

How about you worrying about the imported prawns that have caused the outbreak of whitespot disease in QLD prawn farms costing people their livelihood & possibly bankrupting them.

And to the farmed asian green prawns that imported for nongs like you to eat that are pumped full of some chemical concoction to increase their size and weight?

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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
I, for example, was a freak when i was a teenager. I'm main-stream now.



Grin Grin Grin

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Gee Mothra. I could see you at Marathon telling the invading Persians that you have a Petition while holding a Protest Sign above your head. Yep that'll work  Roll Eyes

I love it when Park Rangers shoot Poachers dead in their tracks.
I can't agree with the 'Western' Hollywood/Media perception of getting kids dressed up as Pirates to show them that Piracy is a 'fun' thing.  Roll Eyes

Protests & Petitions are a 'political' avenue - which is ironic because Politics does not succeed at Conservation, rather - it has left open many a door for so much conservational damage over the century.
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Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.


We're discussing the industrial practice of blinding animals to make them breed more. How could anybody justify this?

You might. Anyone else who reads Mothra's article will be horrified.,


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People who are unable or unwilling to empathise with the suffering of innocent animals or people are moral imbeciles.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:14pm:
Female prawns are having their eyes sliced open and cut off!



Prawn farms are performing a cruel procedure on live prawns to make them breed faster. Female prawns have their eye sliced open and squeezed out, or cut off with a heated blade — usually without any pain relief. This practice, called 'eyestalk ablation' happens in almost all prawn hatcheries around the world — including Australia.

A female prawn has a hormonal gland behind her eye that moderates reproduction, only allowing her to breed when conditions are suitable. The stressful and crowded conditions on farms can make prawns reluctant to reproduce. By cutting her eye, prawn farmers destroy the gland, forcing her into rapid sexual maturity.

Scientists have found that prawns who have their eye sliced open or cut off become disoriented, flick their tails (an escape reflex) and rub the traumatised area — all behaviours associated with pain.

Research has found that, given the right environment, female prawns will breed without having their eye cut off. One of Latin America's largest group of prawn farms, SeaJoy, has already phased out this gruesome procedure.

If you believe that all animals deserve compassion, send a message to the heads of the Australian Prawn Farmers Association and tell them to stop cutting eyes off prawns.





Sign the petition here:


https://secure.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/prawns-eyes-cut-off/


You're a fargin prawn.

How about you worrying about the imported prawns that have caused the outbreak of whitespot disease in QLD prawn farms costing people their livelihood & possibly bankrupting them.

And to the farmed asian green prawns that imported for nongs like you to eat that are pumped full of some chemical concoction to increase their size and weight?




I'm sorry Gnads. Did i not cover enough ground?

Any other prawn related subject matter i should have included to justify me caring about prawns being so stressed by their farming conditions, they only reproduce if you cut the end off their eye-stalks and squeeze out their eyes.

I'll make sure i don't do it again.

Do you have a petition about white spot i can sign? I'll sign it happily.
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Gee Mothra. I could see you at Marathon telling the invading Persians that you have a Petition while holding a Protest Sign above your head. Yep that'll work  Roll Eyes

I love it when Park Rangers shoot Poachers dead in their tracks.
I can't agree with the 'Western' Hollywood/Media perception of getting kids dressed up as Pirates to show them that Piracy is a 'fun' thing.  Roll Eyes

Protests & Petitions are a 'political' avenue - which is ironic because Politics does not succeed at Conservation, rather - it has left open many a door for so much conservational damage over the century.



You've absolutely no idea what i've done or do.

Or what i have seen done.

Suffice it to say, achievements are made through nonviolence. I know this to be true. It is indisputable.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
What does something need eyes for?




Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.



It's actually an appeal to ones sense of fairness and decency as a human being.


Exactly how i see it too, Herbie. Well put!


Anyone who has been circumcised unjustly should be signing this petition.  Smiley


Now that is funny  Grin Grin Grin
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
Gee Mothra. I could see you at Marathon telling the invading Persians that you have a Petition while holding a Protest Sign above your head. Yep that'll work  Roll Eyes

I love it when Park Rangers shoot Poachers dead in their tracks.
I can't agree with the 'Western' Hollywood/Media perception of getting kids dressed up as Pirates to show them that Piracy is a 'fun' thing.  Roll Eyes

Protests & Petitions are a 'political' avenue - which is ironic because Politics does not succeed at Conservation, rather - it has left open many a door for so much conservational damage over the century.



You've absolutely no idea what i've done or do.

Or what i have seen done.

Suffice it to say, achievements are made through nonviolence. I know this to be true. It is indisputable.


Yep - Mr 'non-violence' Gay Gandhi told his people to go out and make love not war against the British.
Look at the country now.  Roll Eyes
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Commentator: "It's at this point of the Topic folks that Mothra is on the verge of wanting to physically hit JaSin."

You know you want to Mothra  Wink



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I love King Prawns or Tiger Prawns and always try to buy 'Australian'.

I usually buy $10 worth every few weeks and then pig-out on them with vinegar while watching TV in the evening.

And then I occasionally stuff myself with New Zealand Green Lipped Mussels dipped in a bowl of vinegar.

To die for.

I bought a tin of Crab Meat that was bland as hell and that was that.

I haven't eaten a piece of lobster since I was a boy. I must see about that.

Had battered New Zealand Hoki last week with a squeeze of lemon - again, to die for.

Used to LOVE salted sun-dried octopussies when I lived in Hong Kong. It was like beef jerky or biltong. Delicious.

Just sayin'.

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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So you think every animal feels pain the same way humans do?

I hope you do not take antibiotics when unwell.  Painful death for all those organisms in your body.
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Not at all JaSin. I'm quite happy to respectfully disagree with you.
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i can see good arguements from both Jasin and mothra on this one.

blame the prawn farmers..possibly
blame the protestors ..possibly.

but the main cause of animal cruelty lies fairly and squarely at the feet of "fat steve" and his "fat wife" .

you see, theres this thing called "the marketplace"
another name for this is "reality".

fat steve and fat janeen just want to pleasure themselves.
they are in lower consciousness.
they just want to slide those prawns into their mouths along with the cage eggs, the factory sow bacon, the $2 milk brought at the expense of the slaughter of male claves.
fat steve wants his dog (doesnt care if it comes from a puppy farm). he wants his XXXL tracky pants (doesnt care if a bangladeshi kid gets $1 a day to make them).
he wants his internet porn .
he wants his iphone (made by some little asian kiddie).

steve wants it all and as cheap as possible , because steve has a lot of "pleasuring himself to do" to make up for his mediocre failed life.

and the market responds to steve.
there are simply "too many steves".
the politicians, the market, the economy are driven by fat steve , fat janeen and their entitled kids.

now mothra is right ...its a disgrace.
jasin is right...it aint going to change.

i cant get thru to steve to make him aspire to more then mediocrity and mothra cant get thru to steve to make him aspire to more then pleasuring himself.

best to just move up the narrow road to success and pity steve...he is beyond help...this is true for 90 % of the population who are asleep at the wheels of their own lives.
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.
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Cruelty will never fall out of fashion with certain people.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



Here's our latest generation exuding sympathy and a care for this highly sensitive animal's pain ...

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I believe it can change. I further believe the best possible chance in it changing is by raising awareness, consumer boycott  and campaigning (including actions,demonstrations, protests, petitions, letter writing etc).

I can assure you that achievements have been won for humans and animals all over the world .. every day ... through mechanisms such as this.

I can absolutely guarantee you that saying nothing is ever going to change so why bother trying is the single best way to ensure nothing ever changes.

If one person who has read this thread starts ethically sourcing their prawns because of reading it .. do you not think that is a achievement?

So you not think people being educated on the subject will lead to people putting pressure on those who can make a difference?

Why do you think we have a (nowhere near good enough but better than it was by a long way) free-range chicken industry? Why do you think some people ask about where their flesh came from? Why do you think vegetarians and vegans are rapidly growing in number?

Through violence?
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Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.
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Herbert ...... So has yours still got the tarp on?

If not are you feeling the trauma of it's removal all over again?
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.
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Reply #93 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:45pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.


A vegetarian feminist who likes Muslims and Aboriginal people.

I'm hideous, aren't i?
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Yep - the USA is standing outside of North Korea holding a Petition and a Protest Banner saying "Stop ...or we'll say Stop again."
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Should we send the prawn farmers to Iran for a bit of eye
for an eye punishment?

Man's eye gouged out in Iran under Sharia 'eye for eye' retribution law for acid attack

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mans-eye-gouged-out-in-iran-...
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Suffice it to say, achievements are made through nonviolence.


Not really.

Non violence only works when you have someone backing you up protecting you from violence.

Like nation laws, governments who have the monopoly on violence (police do have guns and use them). A heavily armed defence force also helps as well.

I am sure if I do something the majority do not like and they force the government to do something and I refuse to cooperate with authorities, the authorities will happily use violence on me.

So much for non-violence.
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"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."


George Orwell.

Unfortunately prawns are not privileged to enjoy the same protection by having rough prawns standing ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm them.
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JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Yeah - those Shark Culling Protests really made head-way  Roll Eyes
Government just laughed at it all.
I see the nets are back in along NSW coast.

Mind you. Providing a better alternative goes a long way too. Until then, things just go along as they have been.




Do ou think that as a result of those shark fin protests, awreness was raised? May have made the news evn?

Is that how you know about it?

Do you think anybody who found about it through that mechanism stopped eating shark fin soup? Or told someone else who won't eat shark fin soup anymore?

Someone may read your reference to sharkfin soup and be inspired to learn more about it and change their own practices.

And nobody gets hurt.


Protests and Petitions are for Victims,
not Victors.


Tell that to the swami who threw the British Empire out of India.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
JaSinner wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
And that's why you all fall short of success.

If you truly wish to save Animals, etc.
Then you will take 'every measure' to guarantee success.
Might is Right.
That's how Politics sees it.


We're discussing the industrial practice of blinding animals to make them breed more. How could anybody justify this?

You might. Anyone else who reads Mothra's article will be horrified.,


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People who are unable or unwilling to empathise with the suffering of innocent animals or people are moral imbeciles.


Or they're just having a jolly old laugh - at the prawns' expense.
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mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.


A vegetarian feminist who likes Muslims and Aboriginal people.

I'm hideous, aren't i?


Feminists are not supposed to care about that sort of thing.

Do prawns feel pain?
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Reply #101 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:36pm
 
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Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.b

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.

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Of course you are. Vegetarian SSM advocating hijabi feminist.  Grin
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'PRAWNS LIVES MATTER!'
 

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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:38pm:
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'PRAWNS LIVES MATTER!'
 

Angry Sad Angry


PRAWNS EYES MATTER....unless they're in batter  Grin
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freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.


A vegetarian feminist who likes Muslims and Aboriginal people.

I'm hideous, aren't i?


Feminists are not supposed to care about that sort of thing.

Do prawns feel pain?


Have you read the article?
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freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.


A vegetarian feminist who likes Muslims and Aboriginal people.

I'm hideous, aren't i?


Feminists are not supposed to care about that sort of thing.

Do prawns feel pain?


See Aussie? FD is teaching me. I now know that as a feminist, i'm not supposed to care about being hideous ... which i take it to mean i don't have to care about the way i look anymore.

Because what else could hideous represent of a woman than what appears to the eye?
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We now have po-faced petitions about prawns.
Next - cruelty to vermin, outrage over mosquito repellents, shooting - the horror! - of feral animals.


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We now have po-faced petitions about prawns.
Next - cruelty to vermin, outrage over mosquito repellents, shooting - the horror! - of feral animals.


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freediver wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
hatman92 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
First of all.

Do prawns feel pain?

Putting how a human would feel on another animal is just stupid.



Why on earth would you think for a moment that prawns don't feel pain?


So we should ban catching them via trawl or stripe rope set net?

That wouldn't be any less painful than this procedure you have described.

And once caught they are then thrown into boiling water alive to be cooked.

The same happens to Spanner Crab, Blue Swimmer Crab, crayfish, mud crab, and other assorted crustaceans.

No more seafood for you Mothballs or anyone else here making a song & dance about this tripe.



I'm a vegetarian, Gnads.


Well say no more ..... figures.


A vegetarian feminist who likes Muslims and Aboriginal people.

I'm hideous, aren't i?


Feminists are not supposed to care about that sort of thing.

Do prawns feel pain?


See Aussie? FD is teaching me. I now know that as a feminist, i'm not supposed to care about being hideous ... which i take it to mean i don't have to care about the way i look anymore.

Because what else could hideous represent of a woman than what appears to the eye?


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We now have po-faced petitions about prawns.
Next - cruelty to vermin, outrage over mosquito repellents, shooting - the horror! - of feral animals.




Feral? Do you mean creatures imported to Australia and released into the wild to breed?

That's not very nice, Frank. We let you in. We're hardly going to put bait out to poison hideous old breeders who refuse to assimilate, now are we?
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Violence?

Which is the most violent Industry?
Military of course.

Now...

If only the 'Green' Militaries of the World
helped
their fellow 'Green' Conservationists
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Anyway, that's enough about hideous feminists. Not sure why they think the seafood thread is all about them.

Does anyone know if prawn feel pain?

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This is a lot of replies for what is essentially a cockroach, a very delicious cockroach. But a cockroach none the less.



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This is a lot of replies for what is essentially a cockroach, a very delicious cockroach. But a cockroach none the less.





The sole purpose of this thread is for the OP to sit in moral judgment of people who couldn't give a crap about prawn eyes

Once again, Gordy nails it.
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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:41am:
This is a lot of replies for what is essentially a cockroach, a very delicious cockroach. But a cockroach none the less.





The sole purpose of this thread is for the OP to sit in moral judgment of people who couldn't give a crap about prawn eyes

Once again, Gordy nails it.



Incorrect. But then again, you usually are.
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Do hideous, smelly prawns feel pain, Mothra?
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Why on earth wouldn't prawns have one of the most basic physiological mechanisms to sense danger?

Why would you even ask the question? High hopes?
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Are you saying you don't know the answer Mothra?
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Are you saying you don't know the answer Mothra?



No. I certainly do know the answer. I would just like to know why you would ask such a stupid question.
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What's the answer Mothra?

Don't want to talk about it?
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I'm pretty certain Prawns feel 'the pain' of it.
Just like many small critters have been recorded exhibiting 'pain' sounds or distress. Spiders 'chirp', but when feeling pain - they screech.

When Spearos hammer a piece of underwater territory - the majority of the remainder of fish not speared, tend to leave from watching the stress of speared fish.
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Prawns scream when you toss them in boiling water.
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In reality, this one is easy to debunk. Lobsters have no vocal cords, no organs of any type for audio communication. It's just not possible for them to "scream" in any way we could hear, in any circumstance. The sound you may hear is expanding air bubbles trapped in their shells expanding and finding an avenue of escape from their bodies while they boil.

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That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?
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That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?
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Anyway, that's enough about hideous feminists. Not sure why they think the seafood thread is all about them.

Does anyone know if prawn feel pain?



I do, FD. It's in the article. You probably haven't read it.

But I'm curious. How could prawns possibly not feel pain?
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freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?
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So no-one knows whether prawns feel pain eh? I'm surprised it wasn't in the article.
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So no-one knows whether prawns feel pain eh? I'm surprised it wasn't in the article.


Oh, yes it was. Do you know if Muslims feel pain, FD?

We're all curious.
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Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.


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Reply #131 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:50am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.





I guess thats a whole new thread bigole.
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Reply #132 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?
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Reply #133 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:02am
 
cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.





I guess thats a whole new thread bigole.




For the fishermen to discuss along with other live bait options.   Smiley Smiley Smiley


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Reply #134 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?


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Reply #135 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?
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Prawn feel no pain.

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Reply #138 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?
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Reply #139 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.


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"Prawns have eyes sliced off"

That's what happens when ISIS have prawn cocktails...... Grin
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Reply #141 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:03am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



Live prawn or fresh/brackish water shrimp are often used for Barra & especially King Threadfin Salmon fishing.

It's common around here & anyone who fishes & isn't an urban cowboy would know the benefits of using live bait for targeting certain fish species.
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Reply #142 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:07am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?


In a bucket of water  Roll Eyes
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Reply #143 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?


In a bucket of water  Roll Eyes


Good. Now where does one get these live prawns?

You might want to ask FD, Gonads. He's our resident fishing expert.
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Reply #144 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.
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Reply #145 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


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Reply #146 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.
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well when I was a kid and fished in the river with  my dad used to use shrimp as live bait and they were kept alive prior to use by being submerged in the river in a live bait container-the same woud apply to prawns kept live bait I would imagine-

But as an aside wtf we are argueing about prawns here-  I laughed till I cried lol - I will never be able to look a prawn in the eye again- and if it was up to isis they would have been  de- eyed in a cave with a ransom attached to their prawny heads-  I have been scarred for life now- I'll never eat a prawn again  Cry

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Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?


In a bucket of water  Roll Eyes


Good. Now where does one get these live prawns?

You might want to ask FD, Gonads. He's our resident fishing expert.

they could be trapped as they do lobsters etc then kept in an onboard live bait well or a bait trap for onshore - submerged in the water until use- there would likely not be places where you can buy live prawns- but there could be for all I know

There is a prawny looking creature that they pump out of sand on NSW beaches with a metal hand operated  pump- I saw them but dont know what are they called- but they are used as bait too- they might even be eaten-
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Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.
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freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 10:49pm:
Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.


And prawns?
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Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.

Thanks FD- they are also known as nippers - I have eaten freshwater yabbies but never these ones-

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Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.


And prawns?



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Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
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That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?


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Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?


In a bucket of water  Roll Eyes


Good. Now where does one get these live prawns?

You might want to ask FD, Gonads. He's our resident fishing expert.


Are you fair dinkum?  Roll Eyes
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Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.

Thanks FD- they are also known as nippers - I have eaten freshwater yabbies but never these ones-

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That's because they aren't good eating .... they are a bait item because fish like to eat them.  Wink
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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




All his food comes from a shop  Roll Eyes Grin
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Reply #157 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 7:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 12:58am:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 10:49pm:
Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.

Thanks FD- they are also known as nippers - I have eaten freshwater yabbies but never these ones-

http://www.surftosapphires.org/?page_id=609

http://fishingmonthly.net.au/img/uploads/7f6133720b3948fa200a605b3e2f6adc_RedBai...



That's because they aren't good eating .... they are a bait item because fish like to eat them.  Wink

Many very tasty table fish are used as bait Gnads-the  red mullet being one of them- and squid razor fish etc- I dont like seeing good table  fish used as bait but there you go- esp when you consider that some fish will bite a rag on a hook- someone has tried to eat them at one time
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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




The fact that prawn schools only come out at night, and you need a light to attract them with.

Now enough's enough. I'm willing to bet no one uses live prawns as bait. Which of you bottom-feeders wants to take me on?

Don't answer too quickly, Big Hole.
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I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.
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I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



were you trying to catch them , or did they just end up in your net while you were going after something else??
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I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.


We'll need a bit more detail here, FD. Time, Place, etc. Also, we'll need you to answer a few test questions to assess your honestly. Up for it?
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Do prawns feel pain?
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?
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Didn't think so. Still, I gave it a go.
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Who would have guessed prawns start off alive.
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?


Dunno.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?


And yet, not a single person in this thread has claimed they do feel pain.

Ludicrous, no?

How well do you think a prawn would fare if it waited until it felt pain to avoid a predator?
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Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 5:30pm:
Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?


And yet, not a single person in this thread has claimed they do feel pain.

Ludicrous, no?

How well do you think a prawn would fare if it waited until it felt pain to avoid a predator?

Wild guess....as well as we would?
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?


And yet, not a single person in this thread has claimed they do feel pain.

Ludicrous, no?


Apart from the article, no.

But so what? Your rationalisation that fish/crustaceans don't feel pain is a way to justify cruelty. Anyone who goes fishing can see fish thrashing about in pain when they're caught and killed. Anyone who's watched fish in tanks has seen how they respond to touch from each other. Anyone who's watched lobsters has seen how sensitive they are, responding to the lightest movements in their environment.

Would you like to answer a question now?
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I was trying to catch them.



how do you get prawns in daylight?
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Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
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Do prawns feel pain?


What would you change if they did?


The article FD refuses to read talks about the prawns thrashing about wildly after they've had their eyes cut out.

To suggest crustaceans don't feel paid is ludicrous. All those whiskers/antennae are sensors. Crustaceans are incredibly sensitive.

How could a prawn not feel it's eyes being ripped out? How could an animal that needs to find food and escape predators not feel the loss of its eyesight?


And yet, not a single person in this thread has claimed they do feel pain.

Ludicrous, no?

How well do you think a prawn would fare if it waited until it felt pain to avoid a predator?

Wild guess....as well as we would?


Correct Aussie. We do not rely on the perception of pain to avoid predation.

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But so what? Your rationalisation that fish/crustaceans don't feel pain is a way to justify cruelty. Anyone who goes fishing can see fish thrashing about in pain when they're caught and killed.


They can see it thrashing about. They do not see the "in pain" bit.

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how do you get prawns in daylight?


Using my fishing skills.
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Reply #178 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Using my fishing skills.


I guess I should be grateful that a pathetic answer is more than your usual avoiding an answer.

I'm serious. I've never seen anyone catch prawns during the day. I myself have been prawning many times at night, with both drag and scoop nets. How do you target prawns during the day?
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Reply #179 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
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Yabbies. Not good eating, but the easiest live bait to get your hands on. Good for bream and whiting.


And prawns?




Man catching prawns in daylight-
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Using my fishing skills.


I guess I should be grateful that a pathetic answer is more than your usual avoiding an answer.

I'm serious. I've never seen anyone catch prawns during the day. I myself have been prawning many times at night, with both drag and scoop nets. How do you target prawns during the day?


You just wait till the sun comes up John.
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Reply #181 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Using my fishing skills.


I guess I should be grateful that a pathetic answer is more than your usual avoiding an answer.

I'm serious. I've never seen anyone catch prawns during the day. I myself have been prawning many times at night, with both drag and scoop nets. How do you target prawns during the day?


You just wait till the sun comes up John.



you're as useful at tits on a bull.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Using my fishing skills.


I guess I should be grateful that a pathetic answer is more than your usual avoiding an answer.

I'm serious. I've never seen anyone catch prawns during the day. I myself have been prawning many times at night, with both drag and scoop nets. How do you target prawns during the day?


You just wait till the sun comes up John.



you're as useful at tits on a bull.


You can't catch prawns during the day.
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:07pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:59pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Using my fishing skills.


I guess I should be grateful that a pathetic answer is more than your usual avoiding an answer.

I'm serious. I've never seen anyone catch prawns during the day. I myself have been prawning many times at night, with both drag and scoop nets. How do you target prawns during the day?


You just wait till the sun comes up John.



you're as useful at tits on a bull.

You are subliminally dissing Bruce Jenner, phobe! Gweggy will have somefin to say.

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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.


yes, you lie and then pretend otherwise, whereas I always stand by what I say

I can see now why you usually avoid answers to any questions
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.


The 'difference' being he caught you red handed on a blatant lie, and you have not so caught him?
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.


yes, you lie and then pretend otherwise, whereas I always stand by what I say

I can see now why you usually avoid answers to any questions


Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
The 'difference' being he caught you red handed on a blatant lie, and you have not so caught him?


What lie, genius?
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Reply #189 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.


yes, you lie and then pretend otherwise, whereas I always stand by what I say

I can see now why you usually avoid answers to any questions


Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 9:16pm:
The 'difference' being he caught you red handed on a blatant lie, and you have not so caught him?


What lie, genius?

more catching of live bait I presume
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Something like that.
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What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



Just because you can't do it, does not mean it's not possible John.
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Reply #193 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 11:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:20pm:
You can't catch prawns during the day.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:07am:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.

Cheesy Cheesy


I guess that's the difference between you and I John.


yes, you lie and then pretend otherwise, whereas I always stand by what I say

I can see now why you usually avoid answers to any questions


Yes, but FD has "principles".

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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:53pm:
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



Just because you can't do it, does not mean it's not possible John.


Now FD won't say, so we'll have to flesh this one out for ourselves. FD takes to the open seas with a big net and light just before dawn to catch the best prawns to use as live bait. He then puts them in a portable seawater tank to keep them alive for his day's fishing.

Make sense?

Every other fisherman gets his prawns frozen from the petrol station, but not FD. FD, you see, has "principles". These include defending the industrial practice of ripping out the eyes of prawns by pretending that they don't feel pain. And FD would know - he regularly uses prawns as live bait.

Prawns, you see, are the new pawns in the FD culture wars. For FD, prawns are the Muslims of the sea.
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Dunno.


You do realise that your avatar depicts you as a skinny legged, no balls, puffed up chest and the dumbest looking face nobody would own, don't ya?

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Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
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That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




The fact that prawn schools only come out at night, and you need a light to attract them with.

Now enough's enough. I'm willing to bet no one uses live prawns as bait. Which of you bottom-feeders wants to take me on?

Don't answer too quickly, Big Hole.



Nice made up fact.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Try to not mix up trawling for prawns out in the big ocean and dragging a bait net along a beach to get bait.


Jeezus fkk this got stupid fast.


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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:11am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




The fact that prawn schools only come out at night, and you need a light to attract them with.

Now enough's enough. I'm willing to bet no one uses live prawns as bait. Which of you bottom-feeders wants to take me on?

Don't answer too quickly, Big Hole.



Nice made up fact.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Try to not mix up trawling for prawns out in the big ocean and dragging a bait net along a beach to get bait.


Jeezus fkk this got stupid fast.




How many prawns have you caught on a beach in the harsh light of day, Hole?

And we don't want to hear your gay pick-up stories, okay?

FD says he caught one. You?

Money down, son.
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Reply #199 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:53pm:
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



Just because you can't do it, does not mean it's not possible John.


I asked you how, and you eventually replied that you can't. I've never seen it done during the day and am trying to get an honest answer out of you. Have you, or haven't you targeted and caught prawns during the day? If so, how?
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John Smith wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:43pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



Just because you can't do it, does not mean it's not possible John.


I asked you how, and you eventually replied that you can't. I've never seen it done during the day and am trying to get an honest answer out of you. Have you, or haven't you targeted and caught prawns during the day? If so, how?



What do you perceive is the problem with casting or dragging a bait net during the day?


Juvenile prawns live in the estuaries and inshore and are a quite easily caught using these methods

I can't understand why, one you and karnal are making such a big deal of it and second why you can''t get your head around catching live bait such as prawns.


Is it a southern thing, this level of ignorance?

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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:11am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:05am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 3:00am:
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:03am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:55am:
Gordon wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




The fact that prawn schools only come out at night, and you need a light to attract them with.

Now enough's enough. I'm willing to bet no one uses live prawns as bait. Which of you bottom-feeders wants to take me on?

Don't answer too quickly, Big Hole.



Nice made up fact.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Try to not mix up trawling for prawns out in the big ocean and dragging a bait net along a beach to get bait.


Jeezus fkk this got stupid fast.




How many prawns have you caught on a beach in the harsh light of day, Hole?

And we don't want to hear your gay pick-up stories, okay?

FD says he caught one. You?

Money down, son.



I don't understand what it is with daylight with you two by you own admittance you know fkk all about fishing and yet you are certain you cannot catch prawn during the day using cast or drag nets.


During my younger years I would have caught many kilos of prawns using these methods.


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Juvenile prawns live in the estuaries and inshore and are a quite easily caught using these methods


I have always made them come to me, usually with the aid of a light to attract them to the area you are working. Even when using a drag net. I've never seen it done during the day and I know and have fished with many prawners.
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freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:53pm:
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What lie, genius?



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I've caught prawns during the day before and used them live as bait.



Just because you can't do it, does not mean it's not possible John.


I asked you how, and you eventually replied that you can't. I've never seen it done during the day and am trying to get an honest answer out of you. Have you, or haven't you targeted and caught prawns during the day? If so, how?


Of course I have, prawn whisperer. I said so, didn't I? You are confused John. I said that you can't catch prawns during the day. You said pretty much the same thing. Yet for some reason you leapt to the conclusion I was lying about something.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
Juvenile prawns live in the estuaries and inshore and are a quite easily caught using these methods


I have always made them come to me, usually with the aid of a light to attract them to the area you are working. Even when using a drag net. I've never seen it done during the day and I know and have fished with many prawners.



Well I have never seen it done your way, but I can accept that that is how it is done down south.


It isn't that big of a deal, different fishing styles or in this case bait collection for different parts of Australia.




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Of course I have. I said so, didn't I? You are confused John. I said that you can't catch prawns during the day. You said pretty much the same. Yet for some reason you leapt to the conclusion I was lying about something.



I didn't realise that when you said 'you' you were referring to me specifically. It sounded like you were using it in it's plural form. My mistake.
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It isn't that big of a deal, different fishing styles or in this case bait collection for different parts of Australia.



that's why I was asking. But FD is more interested in his word games.
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Do prawns feel pain?
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Do prawns feel pain?



Ask them.
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Ask them.


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It sounded like you were accusing me of lying.

Do prawns feel pain?



FD i will make you a deal.

I will answer your question about whether or not prawns feel pain if you answer my question.

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lets forget about prawns for just a minute- all animals feel pain does- that stop anyone from inflcting the pain if the flesh of said ainmal is so very tasty and the market demands that it supply meat to consumers - the answer is no- I would say yes that they do feel pain but well it is what it is- nothing will stop the practice so get over it- I wll continue to eat and prawns regardless- and same for fish

Now you are a vegetarian Mothra ( myself only partly)- and it is a well established fact that plants feel pain- now I ask you if you will you stop eating vegetables and fruit because  you are eating living beings that feel PAIN-
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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:11am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 9th, 2017 at 8:12am:
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That might explain why they still do it even if they have been dead for a few days. But still, could you look deep into the beady eyes of a crustacean and tell me it doesn't have feelings?


I wonder if prawns feels as much pain when theyre used as live bait as when they have their eyes sliced off?


Who uses prawns as live bait, Gordon?



People who go fishing with live prawns.




Who keeps aquariums on the wharf, Big Hole?



Why would anyone want or need to keep an aquarium on a wharf?




I suspect Karnal thinks prawns come from aquariums and fishermen come from wharves. If they want live bait, they just stop by the seafood buffet and ask to borrow the clownfish from the display.

If the article says whether prawns feel pain, why is no-one prepared to answer the question?


I suspect FD's pretending not to talk to me.

Can someone ask FD how fishermen keep prawns alive to fish with?



You truly are clueless aren't you. What a terrible existence you have had to not have fishing as one of your life skills.


In a boat they are kept in, surprisingly enough, a live bait tank and on land a live bait bucket.

And before you ask, they are caught in a cast net.




Thanks, Big Hole. How many fishermen actually catch prawns to use as live bait for hook and line fishing?

And where do they catch these prawns? Off a jetty? Out at sea?

You're right. I'm clueless That's why I'm asking.

FD won't say.



How many fkk knows, about a third of the blokes, I know live bait.

You can cast off a jetty or as boat.



Mate, take up fishing, it is relaxing and excite depending on what your  hook is doing.  Smiley Smiley Smiley




I know about live bait (little fishes or worms). We're discussing live prawns.

All of the blokes I know buy them frozen from the petrol station.



And?



Do they cast or drag bait nets where it is easy to catch live prawns along with sardines and poddy mullet.


What is with the fixation, it isn't that important of a subject, what is your little pea sized brain struggling with?




The fact that prawn schools only come out at night, and you need a light to attract them with.

Now enough's enough. I'm willing to bet no one uses live prawns as bait. Which of you bottom-feeders wants to take me on?

Don't answer too quickly, Big Hole.



Nice made up fact.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Try to not mix up trawling for prawns out in the big ocean and dragging a bait net along a beach to get bait.


Jeezus fkk this got stupid fast.




How many prawns have you caught on a beach in the harsh light of day, Hole?

And we don't want to hear your gay pick-up stories, okay?

FD says he caught one. You?

Money down, son.



I don't understand what it is with daylight with you two by you own admittance you know fkk all about fishing and yet you are certain you cannot catch prawn during the day using cast or drag nets.


During my younger years I would have caught many kilos of prawns using these methods.




Would have, eh?
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lets forget about prawns for just a minute- all animals feel pain does- that stop anyone from inflcting the pain if the flesh of said ainmal is so very tasty and the market demands that it supply meat to consumers - the answer is no- I would say yes that they do feel pain but well it is what it is- nothing will stop the practice so get over it- I wll continue to eat and prawns regardless- and same for fish

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PAIN MOTHRA PAIN
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that's why I was asking


It sounded like you were accusing me of lying.

Do prawns feel pain?



FD i will make you a deal.

I will answer your question about whether or not prawns feel pain if you answer my question.

Deal?


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