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Prawns have eyes sliced off
Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:14pm

Female prawns are having their eyes sliced open and cut off!

Prawn farms are performing a cruel procedure on live prawns to make them breed faster. Female prawns have their eye sliced open and squeezed out, or cut off with a heated blade — usually without any pain relief. This practice, called 'eyestalk ablation' happens in almost all prawn hatcheries around the world — including Australia.

A female prawn has a hormonal gland behind her eye that moderates reproduction, only allowing her to breed when conditions are suitable. The stressful and crowded conditions on farms can make prawns reluctant to reproduce. By cutting her eye, prawn farmers destroy the gland, forcing her into rapid sexual maturity.

Scientists have found that prawns who have their eye sliced open or cut off become disoriented, flick their tails (an escape reflex) and rub the traumatised area — all behaviours associated with pain.

Research has found that, given the right environment, female prawns will breed without having their eye cut off. One of Latin America's largest group of prawn farms, SeaJoy, has already phased out this gruesome procedure.

If you believe that all animals deserve compassion, send a message to the heads of the Australian Prawn Farmers Association and tell them to stop cutting eyes off prawns.

Sign the petition here:

https://secure.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/prawns-eyes-cut-off/

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #1 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:23pm I've signed it. The human species disgusts me for the most part. Where is the leadership from our politicians to ban these cruel practices, but instead we have to go begging and signing petitions. Utterly pathetic.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34499 Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #2 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:25pm Onya Herbie. Couldn't agree more.
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Reply #3 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:36pm

Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2. Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #4 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:39pm mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:25pm: Onya Herbie. Couldn't agree more. Where profits are the issue, human decency comes a distant second.
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Reply #5 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2. Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.

Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #6 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:43pm I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.
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Reply #7 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:43pm

The abuses of batchhouse chicken 'farms' and the Live Export industry are just two of the most glaring moral damnations that can be cited against the feeble characters we having 'serving the community' down there in Canberra.

Yes, it's true, I've been known to piss on snails in my backyard during the rainy seasons, but then they soon retreat into their shells at the onset of these Golden Showers that I favour them with.

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Reply #8 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:44pm

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2. Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.

Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.

Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34499 Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #9 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:45pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:43pm: I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first. So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit. So don't sign the petition.
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Reply #10 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:46pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2. Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.

Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.

Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?

What does something need eyes for?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Prawns have eyes sliced off Reply #11 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:48pm mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:46pm: What does something need eyes for? Cut off what's at the end of Bojack's stalk and let's see how he likes it.
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Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:49pm

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.

So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.

You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.

On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.

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Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:50pm

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:46pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:36pm:

Just allow me to play slight devlis advocate here.
1. Whilst not defending the practice, the effect of no ablation is enough to significantly reduce prawn reproduction to the point of being uneconomic. There is however research into the mole biology of this which should improve the practice without the need for ablation

2. Regeneration of the eyestalk has been observed.

Are you sure you're not defending the practice?

I would counter point one by saying that surely we must have evolved ethically to the point that economic viability should not take precedence over the zero tolerance of unquestionable cruelty. Would you say this practice would be okay for a cow? For a dog?

Point two is simply irrelevant.

Apart from the problems of not providing pain relief, why is point two irrelevant?

What does something need eyes for?

Good point, if they cut off both eyes. But again this is an appeal to emotion.

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Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:52pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:49pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

I'm dead certain I'm not defending the practice. To me the argument is like mulesing. You always want better practice, but show me a better solution first.

So, you accept unspeakable cruelty if it yields profit.

So don't sign the petition.

You've just committed a logical fallacy right there. I'm a realist, signing a petition like this is not going to stop people eating prawns, just as the awareness of mulesing doesnt stop people eating lamb or buying wool.

On the other hand, whole hordes of people buying prawns from manufacturers who do not use ablation techniques will change the industry.

Yes. That's what the petition is for. And what i'm doing here. Rasising awareness.

Were i a prawn eater, upon learning this, i would seek to ethically source my prawns.

That would be my primary reaction.

Your primary reaction, on the other hand, was to justify it and refute that prawns would rather like eyes, if it's all the same to everyone.

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