Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners.  Tsk, tsk.  Having to obey the law...   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:


It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. 

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:


I don't see anything that says this.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:


No, I am in favour of sensible firearms legislation which prevents people like Martin Bryant, Julian Knight and Baronvert getting their hands on weapons they are ill inclined to use against their fellow Australians.   I do not believe that semi-automatic long arms, pump action shotguns, etc. are necessary for the so-called "sport" of hunting.

You seem to think that being opposed to wild-west mentality firearms ownership which most gun nuts appear to be in favour of is wrong.   I wonder why?  I wonder why, indeed.   

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 7:03pm:


Arsie claims to be a lawyer yet he drives taxis so not surprised he missed it.

Did you see this-
Quote:


Cleaning a gun barrel would come under maintain the only people authorised to do this under the 1996 firearms act are those who have a firearms dealer license.

The firearms act makes it very clear a Cat A/B/C/D/H license holder cannot clean or maintain their guns they are only authorised to possess or use their firearms, only licensed firearm dealers can maintain firearms which cleaning is one part of maintenance

What makes a firearm dealer so special with cleaning to maintain a firearm there are no recognised gunsmithing qualifications in Australia or NZ?

A paintball venue has been shut down in NSW because the owner of the venue did his own maintenance work on paintball guns, he did not have a Firearms dealer license so he violated section 8 of the 1996 firearms act. 

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:16pm:




As we all are, this is definitely not it. So why the initial reply from you?


Your second reply isn't much better, based more on your own imagination rather that what was written here, by me or anyone else.


No wonder you are treated with such contempt by other here and I seriously starting to doubt your education claims if this is the standard of your comprehension skills.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:50am:




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Bigol64, you're a fool and it shows.   

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:35pm:



You've left sdomething out there...in the course of carrying on the business of a firearms dealer,


In other words, theres nothing to stop anyone cleaning their firearm as long as they are not planning on selliing it as a firearms dealer.

There is no point me pointing out your blindingly obvious error and complete mis-understanding.  I'm only as bloke who claims to be a retired Lawyer and who drives taxis.

Carry on Mr Rort.  You know best.

So, he told you a fire-arms dealer was entitled to clean weapons.  Ripper.  Where does it say that ONLY a firearms dealer may clean weapons?

Did he have the slightest concept of what activity is included within the meaning of the term possessing - using a firearm?  For example...is a person licensed to possess/use a firearm entitled to discharge it at his farm?

Did he turn his mind to the question of whether a person licensed to possess/use might legally be able to blow a speck of dust off the firearm?

Etc etc.

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 4:24pm:


In the firearms act it makes it clear only a firearm dealer can maintain a firearm, cleaning falls under maintain.

A firearm license holder is only allowed to possess and use a firearm there is nothing in the firearms act that says they can maintain it.

I know you're only a taxi driver nobody believes you were a lawyer so what does use mean in relation to discharging a firearm?

It means he can clean his weapon (as can a Dealer.)  It means he can hold it and masturbate. It means he can load it with bullets.  It means he can clear a jam.  It means he can show his mates so they can have a circle jerk.  It means he can discharge it.  He can possess, load clean and use it for any lawful purpose.

Ask your Lawyer mate (if he actually exists which I seriously doubt.)

NSW:

Link.

1.  Check Chapter 6.

2.  Weep.

Victoria:

Link.

Page 23 of the pdf in the first Link mentioned.

1.  Read about cleaning.

2.  Weep.

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:



I thought you were posting actual legislation


Not some fkken stupid guide.

This may well be the situation referred to by the OP...

http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/gun-law/firearms-act-section-8-madness-the-loo...

I remain far from persuaded that the intent of the legislation is the restriction of cleaning to Firearms Dealers only. It's my view that it is implicitly included as part and parcel of ownership and use of a firearm.   

I think Barons practicing some confirmation bias.

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:


Simon Munslow specialises in firearms laws, other lawyers take note of what he says, I have never met him.

The paintball operator was not manufacturing a paintball gun which arsie calls a weapon he was maintaining  them.

Licensing does not keep track of firearms licensing involves people it's registration that keeps track of firearms, arise claims to be a lawyer yet misses these simple things pretty obvious he is just a taxi driver.

A registered firearm must be produced when police request it , if you cannot produce it you will be charged with fail to prevent the loss or theft of a firearm there is no indication the paintball gun that was used for parts had the receiver which has the serial number disposed of illegally.

The firearms registry is run by the police, what do you think a court will say when they look at section 8 of the 1996 firearms act which says firearm license holders can only use or possess a firearm with firearm dealers having  authority to maintain (clean) and repair firearms?

Never understood why on earth paintballs are considered firearms.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:


I don't do anything illegal bwian. 

When are you going to close your forum down bwian, nobody goes there you have to troll other forums to feed your internet addiction.
   

Aussie wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:



Still asked for the legislation and section that deals with it.


If I wanted an opinion I would have asked for it.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 7:20am:

There is no Legislation which deals directly with it.  Just like there is no legislation which says you may use a pencil.

Do you use a pencil or biro....without express Government consent/permission?

What Government 'spin?'  The only 'spin' I see is coming from Mr Rort.