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Section 8 of 1996 firearms act,idiotic legislation
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Firearms Act 1996 No 46
Current version for 7 July 2017 to date (accessed 1 September 2017 at 22:44)
Part 2 Division 2 Section 8

8   Licence categories and authority conferred by licence

Firearms dealer licence
Firearms to which the licence applies:
•  the kinds of firearms specified in the licence.
Authority conferred by the licence:
In the case of a firearms dealer other than a club armourer or a theatrical armourer, authorises the licensee and (subject to the conditions of the licence and the regulations):
(a)  employees or directors of the corporation specified in the licence, or
(b)  employees of the partnership so specified, or
(c)  employees of the individual so specified,
who are eligible to be issued with a licence and who are authorised in writing by the Commissioner, to possess, manufacture, convert, acquire, supply, repair, maintain or test, in the course of carrying on the business of a firearms dealer, and only at the premises specified in the licence, any firearm to which the licence applies, and to possess, manufacture, acquire or supply ammunition for those firearms.
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1996/46/part2/div2/sec8

As this idiotic legislation states a licensed firearm owner cannot even clean their gun barrels as only a licensed firearm dealer can do that.
A licensed firearm owner cannot maintain their firearms they have to take it to a licensed firearm dealer and pay them to do it.

If your rifle has an adjustable trigger you cannot adjust it even though the owners manual shows you how to do it you must take it to a licensed firearm dealer for this simple procedure.

The way this legislation is written means any firearm owner who does simple tasks to maintain their firearm or add things like soft pads on the stock to reduce felt recoil are breaking the law.

Do you think licensed firearm owners should be allowed to clean their barrels from copper and gunpowder residue or should they take their guns to a dealer for this simple task?

Is this an example of what people are proud with our gun laws when firearm owners cannot legally maintain their firearms and must take it to a firearm dealer for simple tasks like cleaning?

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Re: Section 8 of 1996 firearms act,idiotic legislation
Reply #2 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

*firearms

And even a numpty like you would have to agree, not a lot of thought went into that faecal heap of legislation.

But you are anti-everything to do with firearms, so you may embrace the stupid.

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Re: Section 8 of 1996 firearms act,idiotic legislation
Reply #3 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

Mr Rort, are you saying that it is illegal for a licensed gun owner to clean his own gun at home?

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Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:47pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

Mr Rort, are you saying that it is illegal for a licensed gun owner to clean his own gun at home?

I don't see anything that says this.

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Reply #6 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 7:03pm

Alinta wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

Mr Rort, are you saying that it is illegal for a licensed gun owner to clean his own gun at home?

I don't see anything that says this.

Neither would anyone....hence my question. Mr Rort?

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Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

*firearms

And even a numpty like you would have to agree, not a lot of thought went into that faecal heap of legislation.

But you are anti-everything to do with firearms, so you may embrace the stupid.

No, I am in favour of sensible firearms legislation which prevents people like Martin Bryant, Julian Knight and Baronvert getting their hands on weapons they are ill inclined to use against their fellow Australians. I do not believe that semi-automatic long arms, pump action shotguns, etc. are necessary for the so-called "sport" of hunting.

You seem to think that being opposed to wild-west mentality firearms ownership which most gun nuts appear to be in favour of is wrong. I wonder why? I wonder why, indeed. Roll Eyes

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Re: Section 8 of 1996 firearms act,idiotic legislation
Reply #8 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:18pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

That is your interpretation of the legislation, Baron. Doesn't appear to be the interpretation that the DPP is placing on the legislation. I suggest you grow up and stop being a silly bugger. You need to learn some sense but that is something many gun nuts appear rather lacking in, now isn't it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:35pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 7:03pm:

Alinta wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

Mr Rort, are you saying that it is illegal for a licensed gun owner to clean his own gun at home?

I don't see anything that says this.

Neither would anyone....hence my question. Mr Rort?

Arsie claims to be a lawyer yet he drives taxis so not surprised he missed it.

Did you see this-
Quote:

Category A licence
Authority conferred by the licence:
The licensee is authorised to possess or use a registered firearm of the kind to which the licence applies, but only for the purpose established by the licensee as being the genuine reason for possessing or using the firearm.

Category B licence
Authority conferred by the licence:
The licensee is authorised to possess or use a registered firearm of the kind to which the licence applies, but only for the purpose established by the licensee as being the genuine reason for possessing or using the firearm

Category C licence (prohibited except for limited purposes)
Authority conferred by the licence:
Authorises the licensee (and any employee of the licensee who is eligible to be issued with a licence and who is authorised by the Commissioner in writing, but only while carrying out duties in connection with the licensee’s farming or grazing activities) to possess or use:

Category D licence (prohibited except for official purposes)
Authority conferred by the licence:
The licensee is authorised to possess or use a registered firearm to which the licence applies, but only for the purpose established by the licensee as being the genuine reason for possessing or using the firearm

Category H licence (pistols)
Authority conferred by the licence:
The licensee is authorised to possess or use a registered pistol, but only for the purpose established by the licensee as being the genuine reason for having the licence.

Firearms dealer licence
a)  employees or directors of the corporation specified in the licence, or
(b)  employees of the partnership so specified, or
(c)  employees of the individual so specified,
who are eligible to be issued with a licence and who are authorised in writing by the Commissioner, to possess, manufacture, convert, acquire, supply, repair, maintain or test, in the course of carrying on the business of a firearms dealer, and only at the premises specified in the licence, any firearm to which the licence applies, and to possess, manufacture, acquire or supply ammunition for those firearms.
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1996/46/part2/div2/sec8

Cleaning a gun barrel would come under maintain the only people authorised to do this under the 1996 firearms act are those who have a firearms dealer license.

The firearms act makes it very clear a Cat A/B/C/D/H license holder cannot clean or maintain their guns they are only authorised to possess or use their firearms, only licensed firearm dealers can maintain firearms which cleaning is one part of maintenance

What makes a firearm dealer so special with cleaning to maintain a firearm there are no recognised gunsmithing qualifications in Australia or NZ?

A paintball venue has been shut down in NSW because the owner of the venue did his own maintenance work on paintball guns, he did not have a Firearms dealer license so he violated section 8 of the 1996 firearms act. Undecided

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Re: Section 8 of 1996 firearms act,idiotic legislation
Reply #10 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

That is your interpretation of the legislation, Baron. Doesn't appear to be the interpretation that the DPP is placing on the legislation. I suggest you grow up and stop being a silly bugger. You need to learn some sense but that is something many gun nuts appear rather lacking in, now isn't it? Roll Eyes

A paintball venue was shut down because the owner did his own maintenance work on paintball guns he did not have a firearms dealer license.

It's not my interpretation it is the law as it is written.

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Reply #11 - Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:50am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

*firearms

And even a numpty like you would have to agree, not a lot of thought went into that faecal heap of legislation.

But you are anti-everything to do with firearms, so you may embrace the stupid.

No, I am in favour of sensible firearms legislation which prevents people like Martin Bryant, Julian Knight and Baronvert getting their hands on weapons they are ill inclined to use against their fellow Australians. I do not believe that semi-automatic long arms, pump action shotguns, etc. are necessary for the so-called "sport" of hunting.

You seem to think that being opposed to wild-west mentality firearms ownership which most gun nuts appear to be in favour of is wrong. I wonder why? I wonder why, indeed. Roll Eyes

As we all are, this is definitely not it. So why the initial reply from you?

Your second reply isn't much better, based more on your own imagination rather that what was written here, by me or anyone else.

No wonder you are treated with such contempt by other here and I seriously starting to doubt your education claims if this is the standard of your comprehension skills.

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Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

It's technically illegal for a farmer to stick a cleaning rod down the barrel of his firearms.

Before 1996 there was never any problems with firearm owners sticking a cleaning rod in the barrels of their firearms.

I guess you are happy to force farmers to take their guns by car to a firearms dealer to clean their barrels when this wasn't a problem before 1996 gun laws. Roll Eyes

That is your interpretation of the legislation, Baron. Doesn't appear to be the interpretation that the DPP is placing on the legislation. I suggest you grow up and stop being a silly bugger. You need to learn some sense but that is something many gun nuts appear rather lacking in, now isn't it? Roll Eyes

A paintball venue was shut down because the owner did his own maintenance work on paintball guns he did not have a firearms dealer license.

It's not my interpretation it is the law as it is written.

Really? How about a link which backs your claims, Baron? I don't doubt it might be possible but personally, I suspect it is unlikely. More likely the paint ball venue owner was doing something naughty.

Now, if your interpretation is correct, it looks like happy time indeed for the Police. I expect you to hand yourself and your firearms over to the constabulary ASAP - after all you claim to be a legal firearms owner... Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:28pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

*firearms

And even a numpty like you would have to agree, not a lot of thought went into that faecal heap of legislation.

But you are anti-everything to do with firearms, so you may embrace the stupid.

No, I am in favour of sensible firearms legislation which prevents people like Martin Bryant, Julian Knight and Baronvert getting their hands on weapons they are ill inclined to use against their fellow Australians. I do not believe that semi-automatic long arms, pump action shotguns, etc. are necessary for the so-called "sport" of hunting.

You seem to think that being opposed to wild-west mentality firearms ownership which most gun nuts appear to be in favour of is wrong. I wonder why? I wonder why, indeed. Roll Eyes

As we all are, this is definitely not it. So why the initial reply from you?

Your second reply isn't much better, based more on your own imagination rather that what was written here, by me or anyone else.

No wonder you are treated with such contempt by other here and I seriously starting to doubt your education claims if this is the standard of your comprehension skills.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Bigol64, you're a fool and it shows. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 10:28pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 9:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Oh, poor, poor, little tirearms owners. Tsk, tsk. Having to obey the law... Roll Eyes

*firearms

And even a numpty like you would have to agree, not a lot of thought went into that faecal heap of legislation.

But you are anti-everything to do with firearms, so you may embrace the stupid.

No, I am in favour of sensible firearms legislation which prevents people like Martin Bryant, Julian Knight and Baronvert getting their hands on weapons they are ill inclined to use against their fellow Australians. I do not believe that semi-automatic long arms, pump action shotguns, etc. are necessary for the so-called "sport" of hunting.

You seem to think that being opposed to wild-west mentality firearms ownership which most gun nuts appear to be in favour of is wrong. I wonder why? I wonder why, indeed. Roll Eyes

As we all are, this is definitely not it. So why the initial reply from you?

Your second reply isn't much better, based more on your own imagination rather that what was written here, by me or anyone else.

No wonder you are treated with such contempt by other here and I seriously starting to doubt your education claims if this is the standard of your comprehension skills.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Bigol64, you're a fool and it shows. Roll Eyes

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