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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #30 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:35pm I know where you're going, but you're not clever enough to trap me. Melanin in itself, to my knowledge, has no influence on the biological side of behaviour. Organs and cells do. Without them we'd be dead.
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Reply #31 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:37pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:35pm:

I know where you're going, but you're not clever enough to trap me.

Melanin in itself, to my knowledge, has no influence on the biological side of behaviour. Organs and cells do. Without them we'd be dead.

So what differences do have an influence over people with differing levels of melanin and other superficial characteristics?

Don't want to say, hey?

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #32 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:58pm I am not a biologist, so I am not going to tread into areas that I don't know. The merging of biology and social factors is still a very young science, one that hasn't gotten far due to supposed moral implications.
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Reply #33 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 8:58pm:

I am not a biologist, so I am not going to tread into areas that I don't know. The merging of biology and social factors is still a very young science, one that hasn't gotten far due to supposed moral implications.

Oh really? Nobody's ever thought of it up until recently? Are you sure about that?

Anyway, have you noticed any discernible differences in how the "organs and cells" may be having an impact on the behaviour of people according to the levels of melanin they have and other superficial features?

Has anyone ever noticed anything that stands up to scrutiny when the playing field is even?

What are some of the things you've noticed, Mistie? The things that you think are relevant but are being overlooked by this recent branch of science that has (even more recently i assume) been abandoned because of leftist ideology?

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #34 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:10pm I've answered these questions, numerous times. I not into playing your game. Suffice to say, that your position is a moral one and is not concerned with understanding. You've taken a moral stand then worked backwards from there, selectively, to support your point. I operate the other way.
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Reply #35 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:12pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:10pm:

I've answered these questions, numerous times. I not into playing your game. Suffice to say, that your position is a moral one and is not concerned with understanding. You've taken a moral stand then worked backwards from there, selectively, to support your point. I operate the other way.

No. You haven't. You've not given me one example of how people behave in accordance to their levels of melanin or other superficial features.

What are you saying Mistie? What differences have you noticed? You don't seem to want to say.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #36 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:25pm Clown, that's because I said melanin in itself has no influence.
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Reply #37 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:25pm:

Clown, that's because I said melanin in itself has no influence.

Would you like me to refer to people with differing levels of melanin and specific superficial features as something in particular, Mistie?

Would you answer the question if i asked what differences in behaviour you have seen between differing "races"?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47367 At my desk.	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #38 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:42pm mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 7:40pm: freediver wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 3:49pm: I think Gandalf once tried to argue that he could not possibly be racist because races do not exist. Because you give such reliable recounts of people's actual arguments? No, I don't think that is why he said it.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #39 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:43pm No thanks. I am done here.
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Reply #40 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:58pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:43pm:

No thanks. I am done here.

All you wanted to achieve was to say that we don;t study the biological differences between the "races" anymore because of, well, lefties ... even though it's a new branch of science ... but you can't give any examples of differences in behaviour between the "races" if the playing field is even?

Oh, well well done then. You managed that.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Australian Legend Posts: 21728 Rockhampton, Q Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #41 - Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:29pm So, when they line up 8 black men to run 100m in an athletics final, that is racism? Or does race not exist.... apart from the actual event of running one?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34507 Gender:	Re: Racism is real, race is not Reply #42 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 6:20pm UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 11:29pm: So, when they line up 8 black men to run 100m in an athletics final, that is racism? Or does race not exist.... apart from the actual event of running one? Did you read the article? It's all explained there.
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Reply #43 - Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 7:20pm

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:59pm:

Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.

Well, how DO you categorise people who share those 'superficially visible' traits?

Should we say next, 'there are no blondes and brunettes, these are superficially visible traits'.
Or 'don's call me tall/short, that's only a superficially visible trait'.

Race IS about visible difference, pretty closely mapped onto culture, origin, background etc. Visible racial characteristics are inherited so it's no use/stupid saying they have nothing to do with biology.

It is entirely right to say that race is not everything. But to say that it's nothing is just stupid - and so it takes a young philosopher, eager to be noticed, to propose such stupidity.

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Reply #44 - Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 10:35am

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 7:20pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 12:59pm:

Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.

Well, how DO you categorise people who share those 'superficially visible' traits?

Should we say next, 'there are no blondes and brunettes, these are superficially visible traits'.
Or 'don's call me tall/short, that's only a superficially visible trait'.

Race IS about visible difference, pretty closely mapped onto culture, origin, background etc. Visible racial characteristics are inherited so it's no use/stupid saying they have nothing to do with biology.

It is entirely right to say that race is not everything. But to say that it's nothing is just stupid - and so it takes a young philosopher, eager to be noticed, to propose such stupidity.

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