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Reply #45 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:40am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 10:35am:
Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2017 at 7:20pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.



Well, how DO you categorise people who share those 'superficially visible' traits?

Should we say next, 'there are no blondes and brunettes, these are superficially visible traits'.
Or 'don's call me tall/short, that's only a superficially visible trait'.


Race IS about visible difference, pretty closely mapped onto culture, origin, background etc. Visible racial characteristics are inherited so it's no use/stupid saying they have nothing to do with biology.

It is entirely right to say that race is not everything. But to say that it's nothing is just stupid - and so it takes a young philosopher, eager to be noticed, to propose such stupidity.




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great.

More important than the 'obvious visible differences' is the customs and historic results of SOME RACES.

name one country run by blacks that you would like to live in.
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Reply #46 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:29pm:
So, when they line up 8 black men to run 100m in an athletics final, that is racism? Or does race not exist.... apart from the actual event of running one?


Black men run faster because they have a more active coward gene.

White men have evolved to stand and fight with superior weaponry, so thay dont have to run as fast.

Its as simple as that Cheesy
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Reply #47 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

There are no races – biological or social – only racialised groups.

We live in a richly diverse country, populated by Indigenous Australians, recent immigrants, and descendants of relatively recent immigrants. Some feel threatened by this diversity; some relish it.

Most of us, I think, are unsure quite how to talk about it.

We have many words to describe diversity. We ask people about their ancestry, their ethnicity, and – most awkwardly – their “background”. We seem least comfortable asking people about their “race”, and with good reason.

Racial classification has been used to justify some of the most heinous crimes of modernity, including those committed on our own shores. Asking people about their “race” can make you sound a bit, well, racist.

Yet “racial” classification is still commonplace. Many articles in The Conversation use the term “race” to describe human diversity. For example, one asks what’s behind racial differences in restaurant tipping?, while another tells us that infants learn to distinguish between races.

Racialised groups

What justifies the continued use of racial classification? Nothing, or so I argue in Replacing Race, an open-access article published recently in the philosophy journal Ergo.

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.

This is not merely an opinion. From a scientific perspective, the best candidate for a synonym for “race” is “subspecies” (the classification level below “species” in biology). When scientists apply the standard criteria to determine whether there are subspecies/races in humans, none are found. In chimpanzees yes, but in humans no.

Racial classification is unscientific. However, humanities scholars have their own justifications for race-talk. Many argue that while there are no biological races, there are social races. Race, as philosophers put it, is a social kind.

In my view, the redefinition of race as a social kind has been a major mistake. Most people still think of race as a biological category. By redefining it socially, we risk miscommunicating with each other on this fraught topic.
What is it when you fight your own argument in one short sentence????  Cheesy That doesn't make an ounce of sense. No races yet there's racism ????? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #48 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:56pm
 
Hammer, i told Greg you weren't stupid. Don't make a fool of me now.
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Reply #49 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 5:23pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Hammer, i told Greg you weren't stupid. Don't make a fool of me now.
So what's you definition of racism?
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Reply #50 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

There are no races – biological or social – only racialised groups.

We live in a richly diverse country, populated by Indigenous Australians, recent immigrants, and descendants of relatively recent immigrants. Some feel threatened by this diversity; some relish it.

Most of us, I think, are unsure quite how to talk about it.

We have many words to describe diversity. We ask people about their ancestry, their ethnicity, and – most awkwardly – their “background”. We seem least comfortable asking people about their “race”, and with good reason.

Racial classification has been used to justify some of the most heinous crimes of modernity, including those committed on our own shores. Asking people about their “race” can make you sound a bit, well, racist.

Yet “racial” classification is still commonplace. Many articles in The Conversation use the term “race” to describe human diversity. For example, one asks what’s behind racial differences in restaurant tipping?, while another tells us that infants learn to distinguish between races.

Racialised groups

What justifies the continued use of racial classification? Nothing, or so I argue in Replacing Race, an open-access article published recently in the philosophy journal Ergo.

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.

This is not merely an opinion. From a scientific perspective, the best candidate for a synonym for “race” is “subspecies” (the classification level below “species” in biology). When scientists apply the standard criteria to determine whether there are subspecies/races in humans, none are found. In chimpanzees yes, but in humans no.

Racial classification is unscientific. However, humanities scholars have their own justifications for race-talk. Many argue that while there are no biological races, there are social races. Race, as philosophers put it, is a social kind.

In my view, the redefinition of race as a social kind has been a major mistake. Most people still think of race as a biological category. By redefining it socially, we risk miscommunicating with each other on this fraught topic.
What is it when you fight your own argument in one short sentence????  Cheesy That doesn't make an ounce of sense. No races yet there's racism ????? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Got her by the short & curlies there.  Grin
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Reply #51 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:43pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Racism is real, race is not: a philosopher’s perspective

There are no races – biological or social – only racialised groups.

We live in a richly diverse country, populated by Indigenous Australians, recent immigrants, and descendants of relatively recent immigrants. Some feel threatened by this diversity; some relish it.

Most of us, I think, are unsure quite how to talk about it.

We have many words to describe diversity. We ask people about their ancestry, their ethnicity, and – most awkwardly – their “background”. We seem least comfortable asking people about their “race”, and with good reason.

Racial classification has been used to justify some of the most heinous crimes of modernity, including those committed on our own shores. Asking people about their “race” can make you sound a bit, well, racist.

Yet “racial” classification is still commonplace. Many articles in The Conversation use the term “race” to describe human diversity. For example, one asks what’s behind racial differences in restaurant tipping?, while another tells us that infants learn to distinguish between races.

Racialised groups

What justifies the continued use of racial classification? Nothing, or so I argue in Replacing Race, an open-access article published recently in the philosophy journal Ergo.

I argue that there are no races, only racialised groups – groups that have been misunderstood as biological races.

The reader may object – “surely, I can see race with my bare eyes!” However, it is not race we see, but the superficial visible biological diversity within our species: variation in traits such as skin colour, hair form and eye shape. This variation is not enough to justify racial classification. Our biological diversity is too small, and too smoothly distributed across geographic space, for race to be real.

This is not merely an opinion. From a scientific perspective, the best candidate for a synonym for “race” is “subspecies” (the classification level below “species” in biology). When scientists apply the standard criteria to determine whether there are subspecies/races in humans, none are found. In chimpanzees yes, but in humans no.

Racial classification is unscientific. However, humanities scholars have their own justifications for race-talk. Many argue that while there are no biological races, there are social races. Race, as philosophers put it, is a social kind.

In my view, the redefinition of race as a social kind has been a major mistake. Most people still think of race as a biological category. By redefining it socially, we risk miscommunicating with each other on this fraught topic.
What is it when you fight your own argument in one short sentence????  Cheesy That doesn't make an ounce of sense. No races yet there's racism ????? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Got her by the short & curlies there.  Grin



You either did not read or not understand the OP. Which is it? Maybe i can help?
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Reply #52 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:49pm
 
Racism works many ways - the arbitrary allocation of it to selected groups accorded Accredited Victim Status merely muddies the waters and offers discriminatory advantages to those groups.

Allocating special privileges to those who constantly cry 'racism' or 'homophobia' or 'sexism' or any other artificial label, is in itself the most virulent form of Racism and Discrimination..... and has virtually brought this nation to its knees.....
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Reply #53 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:23am
 
mothra wrote on Sep 2nd, 2017 at 6:20pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:29pm:
So, when they line up 8 black men to run 100m in an athletics final, that is racism? Or does race not exist.... apart from the actual event of running one?



Did you read the article? It's all explained there.


I was being sarcastic.
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Reply #54 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 7:44am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:49pm:
Racism works many ways - the arbitrary allocation of it to selected groups accorded Accredited Victim Status merely muddies the waters and offers discriminatory advantages to those groups.

Allocating special privileges to those who constantly cry 'racism' or 'homophobia' or 'sexism' or any other artificial label, is in itself the most virulent form of Racism and Discrimination..... and has virtually brought this nation to its knees.....


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Reply #55 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:08am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 3:49pm:
I think Gandalf once tried to argue that he could not possibly be racist because races do not exist.


No I didn't. As usual you are clueless as to my actual arguments.
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Reply #56 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:20am
 
Interestingly, very few racists today actually base their racism in a traditional biological racial theory - like we see with some diehards like Frank. Most racists today are of the "I'm not racist, but..." - or a popular variant "Islam is not a race, so..."
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Reply #57 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:32am
 
Islam is not a race. Its a cancer. Time to hit it with radiation.
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Reply #58 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:46am
 
FD mounted a heroic defense of this most blatantly racist statement with the good old "Islam is not a race" excuse:

moses wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 4:39pm:
The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate


This was around the same time FD was screaming blue murder over the "blatantly racist" term "arabia for arabs".
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Reply #59 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:20am:
Interestingly, very few racists today actually base their racism in a traditional biological racial theory - like we see with some diehards like Frank. Most racists today are of the "I'm not racist, but..." - or a popular variant "Islam is not a race, so..."


Is Islam a race Gandalf?
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