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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77082 Gender:	Re: American Supreme Court is better .... Reply #135 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:35pm longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:07pm: They are ghastly and while I believe we need them, why? we'd be much better served abolishing the states, and having only a regional and federal govt.
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Reply #137 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:51pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:07pm:

They are ghastly and while I believe we need them,

why? we'd be much better served abolishing the states, and having only a regional and federal govt.

and local councils spend more time on rainbow flags and australia day arguments and are actually LESS competent than state governments.

no state govts is great if you live in sydney, but outside of there, you would be lucky to be remembered, nevermind, supported.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 77082 Gender:	Re: American Supreme Court is better .... Reply #138 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm regional, not local. It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.
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Reply #139 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

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Reply #140 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

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Reply #141 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

It's called fiscal equalisation.

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Reply #142 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

why oh why are you, after so many years on here, still as dumb as a rock and twice as ignorant? This has been discussed time and time again and explained. You are stupid, not just because your IQ is low, but because you are incapable of learning.

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Reply #143 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

I wouldn't make Sydney one region. I'd split the regions up into populations. Say, for example, 1 000 000 per region. That way no one has more or less sway than the others.

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Reply #144 - Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:26pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

It's called fiscal equalisation.

Explain it?

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Reply #146 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33am

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:03pm:

What I what is safeguards in place to protect the states.

In America, the States are most highly protected, outside of the Constitution itself.

Source: The United States Constitution
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Amendment X (1791)

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Source: The Constitution Center
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......The Tenth Amendment’s simple language—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”—emphasizes that the inclusion of a bill of rights does not change the fundamental character of the national government. It remains a government of limited and enumerated powers, so that the first question involving an exercise of federal power is not whether it violates someone’s rights, but whether it exceeds the national government’s enumerated powers.......
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State vs. Federal Law

Who can answer the age old question(s)?

➤ ➤ ➤ In America, are the States required to enforce Federal Law? Can the States "Nullify" Federal law?

What, if anything, does the Supreme Court say?

PS.... LW58, for these questions I remove My "Personal Ignore" on you, so long as you keep a civil tongue in your mouth.....it's up to you.

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Reply #147 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

It's called fiscal equalisation.

Explain it?

Fiscal equalisation means taking more from richer states and giving to poor states so that each state is equally able to finance its programmes.

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Reply #148 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:12pm

Panther wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:33am:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:03pm:

What I what is safeguards in place to protect the states.

In America, the States are most highly protected, outside of the Constitution itself.

Source: The United States Constitution
Quote:

Amendment X (1791)

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Source: The Constitution Center
Quote:

......The Tenth Amendment’s simple language—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”—emphasizes that the inclusion of a bill of rights does not change the fundamental character of the national government. It remains a government of limited and enumerated powers, so that the first question involving an exercise of federal power is not whether it violates someone’s rights, but whether it exceeds the national government’s enumerated powers.......
read in it's entirety

Read more about

State vs. Federal Law

Who can answer the age old question(s)?

➤ ➤ ➤ In America, are the States required to enforce Federal Law? Can the States "Nullify" Federal law?

What, if anything, does the Supreme Court say?

PS.... LW58, for these questions I remove My "Personal Ignore" on you, so long as you keep a civil tongue in your mouth.....it's up to you.

First, theoretically the states have more powers but since fdr the federal government has expanded significantly.

The states cannot nullify federal law: this has been tried and tested in what was known as the nullification crisis. South Carolina refused to collect a tax that the congress had passed but President Jackson ;(a real sob) ordered the army to collect the taxes. In the end congress passed a compromise tax.

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Re: American Supreme Court is better ....
Reply #149 - Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:08pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

regional, not local.

It's not like states don't waste a lot of money or develop their own rainbow causes.

And you dont think that Sydney will get first dibs on money, resources or even, interest? State governments at least mean that their state gets action and interest. Without the state govt, TAS might as will secede and if they did, Canberra might not even notice.

How come WA gets only 33% of the GST they collect?

It's called fiscal equalisation.

Explain it?

Fiscal equalisation means taking more from richer states and giving to poor states so that each state is equally able to finance its programmes.

WA is not a wealthy state.
Did you see 4 Corners on Monday?
A house that sold a few years ago for $2.5M could not be sold even for $1.6 M

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