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JoNova is a fraud
Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:30pm

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Scientific evidence for the theory that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the main cause of global warming needs to be:

Empirical - That which we can see, hear, record, or write down. A measurement of some sort. An observation of the natural world.

Related to CAUSE and EFFECT. That means evidence that shows that our extra carbon caused most of the recent warming. Not just evidence that the world has got warmer (which could be due to some other reason).

Evidence that shows carbon has a major role, that doubling the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide would cause, say, 2 – 10 degrees of warming. If doubling carbon only causes 0.5 degrees of warming, who cares?

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/is-there-any-evidence/

OK, she says “our carbon” so makes it a bit easier.

Measurements of IR, can be written down, recorded in computer storage etc.

We see CO2 and the other GHGs DO block IR.

If she wanted to find out the sensitivity of climate to CO2 she could have found this CSIRO page on it, or the NASA one or the NOAA one or the MetOffice one or. . . .

https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/d3a8654f-e1f1-4d3f-85a1-4c...

AGW denialism is just sad and silly these days.

None sadder than the cretins who think we are in an Ice Age when 2016 was the hottest recorded year and 2017 is nearly as hot. Frootloop territory.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95485 Melbourne Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #1 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:45pm We're only at the start of a mini ice age & it will get a lot colder. Already there are signs for those who check out the facts online.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #2 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:46pm Listening to lies and cherry picking etc by Dubyne is making you look like an idiot, Booby. Global temperatures: 2016 clearly the hottest recorded year. Still hot halfway through 2017 which unlike 2016 is not an El Nino year: Get a brain, Booby.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95485 Melbourne Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #3 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:49pm Dear Jovial, you're entranced by those silly graphs. What about the guy who got done for contempt of court over his fake hockey stick graph? Of course - you wouldn't know about it.
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Reply #4 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:51pm

Mann was stupid taking those two idiotic deniers to court.

He was not going to handover all the stuff they wanted, no way.

You have seen the Harries and Feldman graphs too, showing that GHGs do block heat, in the form of IR, from escaping to space.

The Feldman graph:

Here you see IR being redirected to the surface, see how well that correlates with CO2? We know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, that has been known for 200 years. Arrhenius in 1906 worked out an estimate of climate sensitivity.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #5 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:06pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:30pm: https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/d3a8654f-e1f1-4d3f-85a1-4c... Oh dear. According to you there has been no advance in estimations of climate sensitivity since AR5.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #6 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:10pm Who cares? I showed the climate sensitivity can be looked up. She didn’t, being a fraud.
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Reply #7 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

Mann was stupid taking those two idiotic deniers to court.

He was not going to handover all the stuff they wanted, no way.

You have seen the Harries and Feldman graphs too, showing that GHGs do block heat, in the form of IR, from escaping to space.

The Feldman graph:
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/FeldmanGrowingRF.png

Here you see IR being redirected to the surface, see how well that correlates with CO2? We know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, that has been known for 200 years. Arrhenius in 1906 worked out an estimate of climate sensitivity.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php

He was a liar - he made up a false hockey stick graph.

How many other scientists who are paid to prove AGW
are doing exactly the same?

They earn their living only by proving AGW -
if the results don't prove it they make it up -
& the money keeps rolling in -

and people like you believe it.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #8 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:18pm It was a libel case, he was ordered to hand over EVERYTHING he had worked on, data, computer program listings, the lot. If he was found in contempt that is why, nothing to do with disproving the hockeystick. 2016 was the hottest recorded year, 2017 is nearly as hot.
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Reply #9 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

It was not the accuracy of his work, it was his refusing to hand over tens of thousands of documents, emails, papers, computer programs etc.

Courts do not decide on scientific theories. If you did not follow a liar like Dubyne you would be able to work things like that out, but you believe that liar Dubyne and so desperately want to pretend an ice age is happening “ice from the Arctic to the Mediterranean” you said.

Ridiculous, even Dubyne is only talking little ice age.

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Reply #10 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:27pm

Dubyne is a liar and a fraud too:

1. A fox fell through thin ice into the Danube and was flash frozen. How? Water is above 0°C, can’t freeze anything.

2. Dubyne lied and said UK supermarkets were rationing veges due to his stupid ice age. A minute Googling and I found that the Murcia and Valencia areas of Spain which grow 80% of Europes veges had been hit by so much rain that the fields could not be worked. Dubyne would have known the truth of it, all his weather news comes from Google.

You believe a liar.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #11 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:38pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:10pm: Who cares? I showed the climate sensitivity can be looked up. She didn’t, being a fraud. You showed old estimates of sensitivity can be looked up? You are too funny.
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Reply #12 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

It was a libel case, he was ordered to hand over EVERYTHING he had worked on, data, computer program listings, the lot.

If he was found in contempt that is why, nothing to do with disproving the hockeystick.

LOL. It must have been so hard to turn over his workings and vindicate himself. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: JoNova is a fraud Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:42pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:22pm: It was not the accuracy of his work, it was his refusing to hand over tens of thousands of documents, emails, papers, computer programs etc. Yes. he wouldn't want to really convict himself , would he? Only one case to go that he is busily dodging.
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Reply #14 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

lee wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

It was not the accuracy of his work, it was his refusing to hand over tens of thousands of documents, emails, papers, computer programs etc.

Yes. he wouldn't want to really convict himself , would he?

Only one case to go that he is busily dodging. Wink

Yes & now all the graphs that are rammed down our throats every day
have to be treated as suspect.

It's only people like David DuByne who bring this to our attention.

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