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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Not all views deserve respect Reply #15 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am: Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....?? do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?
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Reply #16 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:36am

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It may be painful to acknowledge, but what we view as a core belief to us may be seen differently by others. Even if we feel that the belief is a strong part of our identity.

Like all ideas in a free society, it must be permissible to subject that core belief to open inquiry.

To assume that an idea may not be questioned because it is a part of your identity, and that an attack on it is an attack on you equivalent to a denial of human respect, is a fallacy. I call this the fallacy of deepest offence.

It is a blurring of the line between people and ideas. It is a device by which ideas are rendered immune to critical inquiry behind the claim of deepest possible offence: an insult to human dignity.

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Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:04am

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Well the main factor would if you found it acceptable to be sucked off by a dude or not, wouldn't you say?

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Reply #19 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:10am

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Now you're not even being honest with yourself

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Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:23am

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Well the main factor would if you found it acceptable to be sucked off by a dude or not, wouldn't you say?

Precisely and that's why he copped a beating

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Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:24am

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Now you're not even being honest with yourself

You mean if they were 16 year olds and drunk or if they were 65 year olds and sober wouldn't make a difference..?

Like I said depends on many factors.

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Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:31am

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:10am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Now you're not even being honest with yourself

You mean if they were 16 year olds and drunk or if they were 65 year olds and sober wouldn't make a difference..?

Like I said depends on many factors.

I think in either case they'd accept the girls offer or decline., I doubt very much any guy would beat up a girl for offering to give them a head job

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Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:36am

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Well the main factor would if you found it acceptable to be sucked off by a dude or not, wouldn't you say?

Precisely and that's why he copped a beating

If you're talking about the poof I saw beat up, he did nothing, he said nothing, to provoke it. But let's not let truth get in the way.

Anyway, if he winks at you, does that deserve a beating??
If he looks at you in a 'funny' way, does that deserve a beating??

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Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:43am

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:36am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Well the main factor would if you found it acceptable to be sucked off by a dude or not, wouldn't you say?

Precisely and that's why he copped a beating

If you're talking about the poof I saw beat up, he did nothing, he said nothing, to provoke it. But let's not let truth get in the way.

Anyway, if he winks at you, does that deserve a beating??
If he looks at you in a 'funny' way, does that deserve a beating??

No, but tons of hetero men and women get beaten up for doing nothing!

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Reply #25 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:46am

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

From the article:

It may be painful to acknowledge, but what we view as a core belief to us may be seen differently by others. Even if we feel that the belief is a strong part of our identity.

Like all ideas in a free society, it must be permissible to subject that core belief to open inquiry.

To assume that an idea may not be questioned because it is a part of your identity, and that an attack on it is an attack on you equivalent to a denial of human respect, is a fallacy. I call this the fallacy of deepest offence.

It is a blurring of the line between people and ideas. It is a device by which ideas are rendered immune to critical inquiry behind the claim of deepest possible offence: an insult to human dignity.

Is the idea of revolution up for open inquiry?

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Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:48am

TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

From the article:

It may be painful to acknowledge, but what we view as a core belief to us may be seen differently by others. Even if we feel that the belief is a strong part of our identity.

Like all ideas in a free society, it must be permissible to subject that core belief to open inquiry.

To assume that an idea may not be questioned because it is a part of your identity, and that an attack on it is an attack on you equivalent to a denial of human respect, is a fallacy. I call this the fallacy of deepest offence.

It is a blurring of the line between people and ideas. It is a device by which ideas are rendered immune to critical inquiry behind the claim of deepest possible offence: an insult to human dignity.

Is the idea of revolution up for open inquiry?

What about the idea of societal suicide: is that also up for open inquiry?

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Reply #27 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:55am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

cods wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:06am:

why do GAYS think its only Liberals that disagree on this.. Roll Eyes

have they checked out every NO vote?

Politically the divide does seem to sit around that point ???

Well thats bulls, even Labor MPs disagree where have you been?
Even gays disagree... Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:56am

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Maybe he approached them and offered to blow them....??

do you think they would have beat up a girl who approached them and offered to blow them?

Don't know depends on many factors.

Well the main factor would if you found it acceptable to be sucked off by a dude or not, wouldn't you say?

Precisely and that's why he copped a beating

Prolly a bit harsh, but if he touched a person while saying that, that then becomes self defence of an assault.

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Re: Not all views deserve respect
Reply #29 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

thecuriousmail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:07am:

We must always be amenable to reason.
Evidence and common-sense must rule.
I think it is right that ideas are tested.
But you can't argue with a religious view, because it's faith, and you can't argue with prejudice, because it's unmovable.

What is disappointing is when someone makes a point and the response is just a personal attack. Lot of that here!

You most certainly argue with religious ideas because after all, they're all just ideas.

There are leftists who are so loath to criticise anything to do with Islam, they give Wahhabism and even the worst aspects of the Taliban moral equivalence because it's a religion.

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