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Reply #75 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:22pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 4:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 4:34pm:

The basic issue of the Confederacy is the Rights of States v Federal Government, and the Right (or otherwise)_ of a Federal Government to refuse to permit a signatory State to withdraw from a Union... and conversely the Right or otherwise of a signatory State to withdraw from tht Union on a majority vote of its people...

This has extended and morphed into the current malaise of the West in its (oft-times) Federal Governments taking on more and more power unto themselves..... and since one man's meat is another man's poison... they gotta be taking power from someone... and in most cases it's the ordinary person. Those who oppose the White Rights campaigners fail to see that they are shooting themselves in the foot by creating of them an enemy rather than an ally.

Buggar all to do with slavery... that is the facile image that the opponents of this apparent white 'supremacy' movement latch on to so as to discredit them and refuse to discuss their issues.

Remember The Free State of Jones ( a very bad movie) ---- "Every Man is someone else's Niggruh!" (unless he stands free)....

There is a consensus among historians, even Conservatives, that the Civil War (and thereby the formation of the Confederacy) was about slavery.

A State's right to do what? To owe and purchase slaves.

The idea that the Civil War wasn't about slavery is propagated by revisionist historians.

Incorrect. it was about Secession by Southern States from the Union. Slavery was a contributing factor in Secession, but the issue of the war was Secession.

Saying a 'consensus of historians' are now saying it was about slavery pure and simple is disingenuous... and THAT is revisionism. The North did not declare abolition of slavery until 1865...

Hello....

What has slavery, abolished in 1865, got to do with modern day America, other than as a facile handle to mount opposition to some group? Are these 'antifa' people suggesting that the White rights people are demanding a return of slavery.. or that they should just continue to bow and apologise for an institution dead for 150 years?

Sounds familiar somehow...

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #76 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:29pm Quote: At that level of society, they are all sucking wind, Bro... poverty is a separate issue from past slavery.... That's what Conservatives say. In fact, they attribute poverty among Blacks as being due to lack of fathers in the home. The out of wedlock birth rate among Blacks is 75%. Do you agree with this?
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Reply #77 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:31pm

uh oh...

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Barack Obama’s ancestors owned slaves.

A genealogist at the Library of Congress discovered in 2008 that Barack Obama’s ancestors owned slaves.
The Chicago Tribune reported:

Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas.

But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.

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Reply #78 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:32pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:22pm:

Saying a 'consensus of historians' are now saying it was about slavery pure and simple is disingenuous... and THAT is revisionism. The North did not declare abolition of slavery until 1865...

Are you now disputing the facts as agreed upon by historians? Even conservatives in America agree that it was about slavery (at least almost exclusively about slavery). States rights was peripheral to this issue.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:22pm:

The North did not declare abolition of slavery until 1865...

Many northern States abolished slavery much earlier than 1865. There were free blacks living in the North for decades before then.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:22pm:

re these 'antifa' people suggesting that the White rights people are demanding a return of slavery.. or that they should just continue to bow and apologise for an institution dead for 150 years?

The issue with the whole rally was that there were neo-nazis and white supremacists among the protesters. Many were wearing KKK clothing, etc. Antifa was campaigning against the supposed rise of Fascism in America.

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Reply #79 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:35pm

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:29pm:

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At that level of society, they are all sucking wind, Bro... poverty is a separate issue from past slavery....

That's what Conservatives say. In fact, they attribute poverty among Blacks as being due to lack of fathers in the home. The out of wedlock birth rate among Blacks is 75%.

Do you agree with this?

Not discussing poverty in isolation and I have no view of Blacks, their fathers, and the out of wedlock rate - I'm setting the record right as regards the War of Secession. There are many poor whites as well.... poverty crosses all boundaries.... so I return to my position that the 'antifa' or whatever would be better served in forming an alliance with disaffected Whites, rather than playing Confrontation.

Their interests are the same - more personal power and a greater share of the pie.

Ain't nobody gonna win that one... but a lot of people gonna die before they work that out.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #80 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:47pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm: Where existeth this Slaverye in modern America? ...in the tax system
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80278 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #81 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:56pm Swagman wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:47pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:15pm: Where existeth this Slaverye in modern America? ...in the tax system 90% on gross income for the fat..... make the hard decisions.... bring the country back on a level playing field and bring the economy up to scratch....
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Reply #82 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:29pm:

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At that level of society, they are all sucking wind, Bro... poverty is a separate issue from past slavery....

That's what Conservatives say. In fact, they attribute poverty among Blacks as being due to lack of fathers in the home. The out of wedlock birth rate among Blacks is 75%.

Do you agree with this?

Not discussing poverty in isolation and I have no view of Blacks, their fathers, and the out of wedlock rate - I'm setting the record right as regards the War of Secession. There are many poor whites as well.... poverty crosses all boundaries.... so I return to my position that the 'antifa' or whatever would be better served in forming an alliance with disaffected Whites, rather than playing Confrontation.

Their interests are the same - more personal power and a greater share of the pie.

Ain't nobody gonna win that one... but a lot of people gonna die before they work that out.

You really have no idea at all what Antifa is and what they stand for do you.

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Reply #83 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:02pm

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 6:29pm:

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At that level of society, they are all sucking wind, Bro... poverty is a separate issue from past slavery....

That's what Conservatives say. In fact, they attribute poverty among Blacks as being due to lack of fathers in the home. The out of wedlock birth rate among Blacks is 75%.

Do you agree with this?

Not discussing poverty in isolation and I have no view of Blacks, their fathers, and the out of wedlock rate - I'm setting the record right as regards the War of Secession. There are many poor whites as well.... poverty crosses all boundaries.... so I return to my position that the 'antifa' or whatever would be better served in forming an alliance with disaffected Whites, rather than playing Confrontation.

Their interests are the same - more personal power and a greater share of the pie.

Ain't nobody gonna win that one... but a lot of people gonna die before they work that out.

You really have no idea at all what Antifa is and what they stand for do you.

Many of them are anarchists. They have various ideas. It's not just anti fascism.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34535 Gender:	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #84 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:03pm Thanks for that, Captain Obvious.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #85 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:07pm mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:03pm: Thanks for that, Captain Obvious. no worries.
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Reply #86 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:45pm

Antifa is a coalition of various left wing groups with a common agenda to censor their opposition using violence and intimidation.

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 3:47pm:

Slavery was first put into practice by the West Africans - the Nig'gers of Niger and Nigeria.
These West Africans taught the Arabs who then taught other parts of the world - the concept of 'Slavery'.

That's because there was a demand for slaves from both the Islamic world and the Western world. Local tribal leaders didn't care about other tribes (or maybe even their own).

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 3:47pm:

So the 'Confederates' were to blame for the Africans in America being 'slaves'? Grin
Now the Confederates are the slaves.

No, in fact, the whole country was to blame for slavery. It was incredibly short-sighed of the Founders to maintain the institution of slavery.

You make it sound like a conscious. Slavery was simply the norm. It was the economic institution that the Europeans encountered when they ventured out into the world. The near-absence of slavery in western Europe at the time was the exception. The Founders actually wrote freedom into the US constitution. That is the opposite of shortsighted. They achieved with the pen what they were unable to achieve at the time with the sword.

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Reply #87 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:52pm

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 4:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 3:47pm:

Slavery was first put into practice by the West Africans - the Nig'gers of Niger and Nigeria.
These West Africans taught the Arabs who then taught other parts of the world - the concept of 'Slavery'.

That's because there was a demand for slaves from both the Islamic world and the Western world. Local tribal leaders didn't care about other tribes (or maybe even their own).

Jasin wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 3:47pm:

So the 'Confederates' were to blame for the Africans in America being 'slaves'? Grin
Now the Confederates are the slaves.

No, in fact, the whole country was to blame for slavery. It was incredibly short-sighed of the Founders to maintain the institution of slavery.

You make it sound like a conscious. Slavery was simply the norm. It was the economic institution that the Europeans encountered when they ventured out into the world. The near-absence of slavery in western Europe at the time was the exception. The Founders actually wrote freedom into the US constitution. That is the opposite of shortsighted. They achieved with the pen what they were unable to achieve at the time with the sword.

And yet slavery still persisted long after the constitution.

It took America a civil war and 600,000 dead to abolish slavery. Britain did it with an Act of Parliament.

Thats our legacy - the British legacy.

And you want to sell out the Crown for that?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #88 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:53pm Yes.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Black Slaves... Reply #89 - Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:57pm Aussie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 7:53pm: Yes. So, you think having a legacy of slavery is better than NOT having one just because in the former case we're a republic whereas in the latter we're a monarchy?
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