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Reply #15 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:38am:
Eight men own more than 3.6 billion people do: our economics is broken


today, eight people have the same wealth as the poorest half of the world’s population. Stop and think about this. It is a mind-boggling concept.

Last year we said we would have needed a double-decker bus to transport the 62 people we thought owned the same as the poorest 3.6 billion on the planet. In 2017, thanks to more accurate data, we find that in fact this group would fit in a single golf buggy.

Today nearly 800 million people – one in nine – across the world will go to bed hungry or undernourished. The adults will wake up uncertain when they will next eat, whether they will have work, fearful for their health and the costs that illness in the family might bring. The eight men – yes, they’re all men – and their fellow billionaires will wake up having slept rather better, and their wealth, invested across the world, will have increased by countless millions even as they slept.

It would be easy to vilify the eight, to make each individual a poster boy of the growing chasm between the richest and the rest. But painting these individuals as the villains would be unfair. The eight include some of the world’s largest philanthropists and those, such as Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, who have spoken out against the shocking scale of inequality in the world. These eight men are not themselves the cause of the poverty so many still live in. But they are the most powerful representatives and beneficiaries of an economic system in which wealth accrues more wealth; where wealth means power and influence, which in turn leads to laws and practices that help the rich get richer.

So this is not an exposé of eight people, but of a broken economics. Narrowing the gap between the richest and the rest requires us to take on a more challenging task than asking eight men to change their behaviour. It requires us to create a more human economy; one that does not result in 1% of the world’s population owning the same wealth as the other 99%. One that encourages and rewards enterprise and innovation, yes, but one that also offers everyone, regardless of background, a fair chance in life and ensures when individuals and businesses succeed, they do so for the benefit, rather than at the expense, of others.

Too often today, our economy rewards rather than discourages bad behaviour. Tax avoidance costs poor countries more than $100bn annually that could be used to provide clean water, lifesaving medicines or education. Rich countries, including the UK, lose countless billions more. Yet governments, anxious to defend their own corporate sectors and perceived national interests, have failed to adequately respond to companies’ use of tax loopholes, corporate power and new technology to avoid paying their fair share. Small, taxpaying businesses are forced to operate at a competitive disadvantage against multinationals, encouraging them to find their own dodges in a desperate effort to level the playing field.

Nowhere is the old proverb “money begets money” more apparent than in how companies seem determined to stuff the pay packets of their top executives, whatever the economic weather. Here in the UK, a FTSE 100 director can expect to pocket about £5.5m a year. A leading UK CEO now earns almost 130 times the wage of their average employee, up from just 10 or 20 times as recently as the 1980s.

Meanwhile, those without economic power feel the pain: the producer in a developing country, the low-paid UK worker, the woman juggling work and childcare, are squeezed until their pips squeak, all in the name of returning as much money as possible to predominantly wealthy shareholders. Last autumn, the Institute for Fiscal Studies warned that their fellow Britons were in the midst of decade of lost wage growth, the worst for 70 years. Justifying such a growing divide in terms of merit will be hard. A recent study by CFA, the global association of investment professionals, found the link between the pay and performance of 350 top executives to be negligible.

In a survey of 700 experts, published ahead of its annual gathering in Davos this week, the World Economic Forum pinpointed inequality as the number one threat to the global economy during the year ahead. It also cited it as a key factor in continuing extreme poverty, political instability, violence and the polarisation of societies. Yet there appears little hope of substantive change being proposed by leaders at WEF. In the short-term at least, GDP growth will remain their answer to all ills.

We have made huge progress in reducing global poverty, and wealth creation has played a major part. But the real incomes of the world’s very poorest have gone up by just $3 a year over the last 25 years. We need to recognise that economic growth and wealth creation are not in themselves enough to ensure decency and dignity for all.



What do you suggest we do about it Mothra? A bit of cultural imperialism? Or handouts?



maybe get rid of that 3.6 billion ?
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Reply #16 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.



Most people are poor because they were raised by their parents to be poor, their parents were raised the same way. There are fewer barriers to success than ever. When I see the cry babies resent the success of others the real problem is the BS they have been fed since birth. "The Poor man don't have a chance, the rich man will always keep him down". Now you can change "poor" to the minority of your choice and cry racism and maybe guilt someone into giving you something you didn't earn. There is no free lunch, someone always has to pay the bill. If you resent the success of people who have something to sell to the public don't buy it. I have a short list of businesses and companies I will not do business with. It doesn't hurt their bottom line but I feel better not adding to their profit.

Lets cut the crap for once, you want them to be stripped of their wealth because you are jealous. The greediest people I have ever met were poor, they would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes and complain it wasn't quarters. We live in a fragile society in the West and the Leftist are doing what they can to tear it down. Equal results for unequal effort has never worked and will not any time it will be tried in the future. Most self made successful people failed before they got it right but being the timid souls that you are only want to believe someone had to be exploited for someone else to get rich. 
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What are the names of these 8 men?
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Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
What are the names of these 8 men?


Yeah.....and more importantly ARE THEY MARRIED??? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #19 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 11:15pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
What are the names of these 8 men?


Yeah.....and more importantly ARE THEY MARRIED??? Grin Grin Grin



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I didn't know you were a gold digger.  Smiley
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Reply #20 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 3:50am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.



Most people are poor because they were raised by their parents to be poor, their parents were raised the same way. There are fewer barriers to success than ever. When I see the cry babies resent the success of others the real problem is the BS they have been fed since birth. "The Poor man don't have a chance, the rich man will always keep him down". Now you can change "poor" to the minority of your choice and cry racism and maybe guilt someone into giving you something you didn't earn. There is no free lunch, someone always has to pay the bill. If you resent the success of people who have something to sell to the public don't buy it. I have a short list of businesses and companies I will not do business with. It doesn't hurt their bottom line but I feel better not adding to their profit.

Lets cut the crap for once, you want them to be stripped of their wealth because you are jealous. The greediest people I have ever met were poor, they would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes and complain it wasn't quarters. We live in a fragile society in the West and the Leftist are doing what they can to tear it down. Equal results for unequal effort has never worked and will not any time it will be tried in the future. Most self made successful people failed before they got it right but being the timid souls that you are only want to believe someone had to be exploited for someone else to get rich. 

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Reply #21 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 3:52am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:25pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:38am:
Eight men own more than 3.6 billion people do: our economics is broken


today, eight people have the same wealth as the poorest half of the world’s population. Stop and think about this. It is a mind-boggling concept.

Last year we said we would have needed a double-decker bus to transport the 62 people we thought owned the same as the poorest 3.6 billion on the planet. In 2017, thanks to more accurate data, we find that in fact this group would fit in a single golf buggy.

Today nearly 800 million people – one in nine – across the world will go to bed hungry or undernourished. The adults will wake up uncertain when they will next eat, whether they will have work, fearful for their health and the costs that illness in the family might bring. The eight men – yes, they’re all men – and their fellow billionaires will wake up having slept rather better, and their wealth, invested across the world, will have increased by countless millions even as they slept.

It would be easy to vilify the eight, to make each individual a poster boy of the growing chasm between the richest and the rest. But painting these individuals as the villains would be unfair. The eight include some of the world’s largest philanthropists and those, such as Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, who have spoken out against the shocking scale of inequality in the world. These eight men are not themselves the cause of the poverty so many still live in. But they are the most powerful representatives and beneficiaries of an economic system in which wealth accrues more wealth; where wealth means power and influence, which in turn leads to laws and practices that help the rich get richer.

So this is not an exposé of eight people, but of a broken economics. Narrowing the gap between the richest and the rest requires us to take on a more challenging task than asking eight men to change their behaviour. It requires us to create a more human economy; one that does not result in 1% of the world’s population owning the same wealth as the other 99%. One that encourages and rewards enterprise and innovation, yes, but one that also offers everyone, regardless of background, a fair chance in life and ensures when individuals and businesses succeed, they do so for the benefit, rather than at the expense, of others.

Too often today, our economy rewards rather than discourages bad behaviour. Tax avoidance costs poor countries more than $100bn annually that could be used to provide clean water, lifesaving medicines or education. Rich countries, including the UK, lose countless billions more. Yet governments, anxious to defend their own corporate sectors and perceived national interests, have failed to adequately respond to companies’ use of tax loopholes, corporate power and new technology to avoid paying their fair share. Small, taxpaying businesses are forced to operate at a competitive disadvantage against multinationals, encouraging them to find their own dodges in a desperate effort to level the playing field.

Nowhere is the old proverb “money begets money” more apparent than in how companies seem determined to stuff the pay packets of their top executives, whatever the economic weather. Here in the UK, a FTSE 100 director can expect to pocket about £5.5m a year. A leading UK CEO now earns almost 130 times the wage of their average employee, up from just 10 or 20 times as recently as the 1980s.

Meanwhile, those without economic power feel the pain: the producer in a developing country, the low-paid UK worker, the woman juggling work and childcare, are squeezed until their pips squeak, all in the name of returning as much money as possible to predominantly wealthy shareholders. Last autumn, the Institute for Fiscal Studies warned that their fellow Britons were in the midst of decade of lost wage growth, the worst for 70 years. Justifying such a growing divide in terms of merit will be hard. A recent study by CFA, the global association of investment professionals, found the link between the pay and performance of 350 top executives to be negligible.

In a survey of 700 experts, published ahead of its annual gathering in Davos this week, the World Economic Forum pinpointed inequality as the number one threat to the global economy during the year ahead. It also cited it as a key factor in continuing extreme poverty, political instability, violence and the polarisation of societies. Yet there appears little hope of substantive change being proposed by leaders at WEF. In the short-term at least, GDP growth will remain their answer to all ills.

We have made huge progress in reducing global poverty, and wealth creation has played a major part. But the real incomes of the world’s very poorest have gone up by just $3 a year over the last 25 years. We need to recognise that economic growth and wealth creation are not in themselves enough to ensure decency and dignity for all.



What do you suggest we do about it Mothra? A bit of cultural imperialism? Or handouts?



maybe get rid of that 3.6 billion ?

Why?

You have no logic buddy  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #22 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 3:55am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.

Frank has no brains!

Grin

Naturally, you have no ability to actually make a point. Presenting an argument that is even half baked is beyond your ken.  Pulliing faces is all you can think of (and I don't  really mean that you think. You couldn't  think to save your mother or yourself, it's  an alien and distasteful concept among your people).

You agreed with sprint when he said that those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless!

That makes you a total retard dear sir and the whole internet agrees  Grin

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Reply #23 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 4:51am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 19th, 2017 at 3:50am:
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.



Most people are poor because they were raised by their parents to be poor, their parents were raised the same way. There are fewer barriers to success than ever. When I see the cry babies resent the success of others the real problem is the BS they have been fed since birth. "The Poor man don't have a chance, the rich man will always keep him down". Now you can change "poor" to the minority of your choice and cry racism and maybe guilt someone into giving you something you didn't earn. There is no free lunch, someone always has to pay the bill. If you resent the success of people who have something to sell to the public don't buy it. I have a short list of businesses and companies I will not do business with. It doesn't hurt their bottom line but I feel better not adding to their profit.

Lets cut the crap for once, you want them to be stripped of their wealth because you are jealous. The greediest people I have ever met were poor, they would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes and complain it wasn't quarters. We live in a fragile society in the West and the Leftist are doing what they can to tear it down. Equal results for unequal effort has never worked and will not any time it will be tried in the future. Most self made successful people failed before they got it right but being the timid souls that you are only want to believe someone had to be exploited for someone else to get rich. 

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Another case of class envy, there is no shortage of fools. The world doesn't care if you choose to be a failure, that's on you.
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Reply #24 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 6:35am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 19th, 2017 at 4:51am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 19th, 2017 at 3:50am:
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.



Most people are poor because they were raised by their parents to be poor, their parents were raised the same way. There are fewer barriers to success than ever. When I see the cry babies resent the success of others the real problem is the BS they have been fed since birth. "The Poor man don't have a chance, the rich man will always keep him down". Now you can change "poor" to the minority of your choice and cry racism and maybe guilt someone into giving you something you didn't earn. There is no free lunch, someone always has to pay the bill. If you resent the success of people who have something to sell to the public don't buy it. I have a short list of businesses and companies I will not do business with. It doesn't hurt their bottom line but I feel better not adding to their profit.

Lets cut the crap for once, you want them to be stripped of their wealth because you are jealous. The greediest people I have ever met were poor, they would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes and complain it wasn't quarters. We live in a fragile society in the West and the Leftist are doing what they can to tear it down. Equal results for unequal effort has never worked and will not any time it will be tried in the future. Most self made successful people failed before they got it right but being the timid souls that you are only want to believe someone had to be exploited for someone else to get rich. 

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Another case of class envy, there is no shortage of fools. The world doesn't care if you choose to be a failure, that's on you.

Still trying to make sense are you?

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Reply #25 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 6:59am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.



Most people are poor because they were raised by their parents to be poor, their parents were raised the same way. There are fewer barriers to success than ever. When I see the cry babies resent the success of others the real problem is the BS they have been fed since birth. "The Poor man don't have a chance, the rich man will always keep him down". Now you can change "poor" to the minority of your choice and cry racism and maybe guilt someone into giving you something you didn't earn. There is no free lunch, someone always has to pay the bill. If you resent the success of people who have something to sell to the public don't buy it. I have a short list of businesses and companies I will not do business with. It doesn't hurt their bottom line but I feel better not adding to their profit.

Lets cut the crap for once, you want them to be stripped of their wealth because you are jealous. The greediest people I have ever met were poor, they would steal the pennies off a dead mans eyes and complain it wasn't quarters. We live in a fragile society in the West and the Leftist are doing what they can to tear it down. Equal results for unequal effort has never worked and will not any time it will be tried in the future. Most self made successful people failed before they got it right but being the timid souls that you are only want to believe someone had to be exploited for someone else to get rich. 



Another case of class envy, there is no shortage of fools. The world doesn't care if you choose to be a failure, that's on you.

I literally don't know where to begin to critique the angry ignorance above.

Have a look at The Guardian article 'Why do we think poor people are poor because of their own bad choices?' for instance.

You sound like the "angry welfare woman".
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Reply #26 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:46am
 
Extreme wealth inequality is bad for a society.

This sentiment, some would say evidence, goes back more than 2500 years. From Plato in ancient greece,  Plutarch  in ancient rome,  thru to adam smith, the architect  of capitalism, thru to presidents, philosophers, scientists and economists, I would say the best of the human race, all say the same thing.  Have we become so ignorant, so ideologically driven, that we refuse to at least listen? And think.

Extreme wealth inequality is bad for the society. It

gives wealthier people an unacceptable degree of control over the lives of others compared to the rest of the population. Are we not all democratically, morally, equal? If wealth is very unevenly distributed in a society, wealthy people often end up in control of many aspects of the lives of poorer citizens: over where and how they can work, what they can buy, and in general what their lives will be like. As an example, ownership of a public media outlet, such as a newspaper or a television channel, can give control over how others in the society view themselves and their lives, and how they understand their society.

undermines the fairness of political institutions. If those who hold political offices must depend on large contributions for their campaigns, they will be more responsive to the interests and demands of wealthy contributors, and those who are not rich will not be fairly represented.

undermines the fairness of the economic system itself. Economic inequality makes it difficult, if not impossible, to create equality of opportunity. Income inequality means that some children will enter the workforce much better prepared than others. And people with few assets find it harder to access the first small steps to larger opportunities, such as a loan to start a business or pay for an advanced degree.

it comparatively unrewards workers, who as participants in a scheme of cooperation that produces national income, have a claim to a fair share of what they have helped to produce.

That is the crux of it. A society is a co-operation between all in it. Moderate inequality is often understood to be a good thing, as people are incentivized etc. Extreme inequality is bad for a society. We ignore that at our own peril.
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Reply #27 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:49am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.

Frank has no brains!

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If we had an economic system and culture that those poorest 3.6 billion people live by, then we too would be part of the poorest 3.6 billion people.
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Reply #28 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 8:17am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:49am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 18th, 2017 at 10:44am:
Those 3.6 billion must be pretty useless people

Exactly. They are not poor BECAUSE the 8 are rich.
Will Mothra and the Granuidastas ever comprehend that? No.

Frank has no brains!

Grin


If we had an economic system and culture that those poorest 3.6 billion people live by, then we too would be part of the poorest 3.6 billion people.

Exactly, frank is getting off on the fact he's 'somehow' better than a starving african or something  Roll Eyes
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Better that Frank is not participating in wars for territory and impeding food production and economic growth.
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