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Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm
 
Don't care?  But still whinge about the Americanisation of Australia? You need to to switch to channel 55. They call the channel Aspire.

You'll think you are in the American Bible Belt, and guess what? You are.

He got caught with prostitutes paid for by his ministering to dumb-ass Christians on cable TV. Jimmy Swaggart is calling on you on Free to Air Australian TV. Just send your donations to the Jimmy Swaggart Ministery to keep him in business.

Its one thing to whinge about American pop cultural influence, but this is far worse. Its propaganda and fund raising. What's next? A Liberal or Labor Party channel? Worse. Muzlims are going to use this for the justification of their own channel, on the grounds of “equal” rights.

This is serious indoctrination of the worst kind, because its available all day to people with weak minds. For my full opinion of how big a problem this is for Australia, go to the Atheism Forum and check out “ Its Not Good Enough.”

We need to reaffirm Australian secularism as our foundation, because its the only thing that will save cultural tolerance in this country. Don't get sucked in by the current pretense of tolerance, the religions hate each other.
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What we need to do is to reassert our British identity and integrate into a Commonwealth of Nations.
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we are far to Americanised.
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John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism
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Secularism doesn't equate to no religion on television.

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John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.

You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.

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Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.


I don't agree.

Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.


yes, they grew, they developed .... they didn't hang around pretending they were ancient Greeks or where ever it was romulus was supposed to have come from
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Wasn’t it Troy?
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
Wasn’t it Troy?


Isn't troy in Greece?
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Australia is a nation that is ruled by the British,
but populated by Americanised people.

There is nothing currently expressing an 'original' Australian identity both culturally and racially,
besides its Aboriginal past.





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John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
Wasn’t it Troy?


Isn't troy in Greece?

Turkey, turkey.
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Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
Wasn’t it Troy?


Isn't troy in Greece?

Turkey, turkey.


I'm not as old as you Sore end ... I wasn't there. Cheesy Cheesy
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The Red
'Celtics'
from Western Europe thought themselves too good for Europe and ran away to North America they called 'Heaven' (and boy, didn't that turn out to be a shithole!)
The Grey
'Latins'
from Southern Europe said that history was a lie and they were never in Europe to begin with ...from their idyllic island homes in Oceania.
The White 'Slavics' from Eastern Europe were kicked out like convicts to a shithole in Sahul (Australia ...which just turned out to be a pretty neat country!).
And the Blue
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were forced to clean up the mess in Europe after the party was over, not that they were invited.

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Jasin wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Australia is a nation that is ruled by the British,
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There is nothing currently expressing an 'original' Australian identity both culturally and racially,
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Spoken like real drongo.
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John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
Wasn’t it Troy?


Isn't troy in Greece?

Turkey, turkey.


I'm not as old as you Sore end ... I wasn't there. Cheesy Cheesy

There was no greece or turkey then, turkey.
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And turkeys didn’t come from Turkey either, now that you mentioned Turkey, twice  Smiley

Turkeys are called “kalkoen” (Calcutta) in Dutch but turkeys don’t come from Calcutta either  Grin
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Reply #17 - Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:58pm:
Wasn’t it Troy?


Isn't troy in Greece?

Turkey, turkey.


I'm not as old as you Sore end ... I wasn't there. Cheesy Cheesy

There was no greece or turkey then, turkey.


I'm not as old as you Sore end ... I wasn't there
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Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.

You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.




There are more people here of Irish and Scottish descent than English - does that make them all 'British'?

'Britain', a 'nationality' derived from the ancient Britons who were conquered by successive waves of intruders, was a facile title arranged by the Plantagenets to  'validate' their de facto conquest of Scotland... and the imposition by them of a 'king by proxy' who was a vassal of the English king.... thus owning the joint outright.... thus all English and Scots became 'British' rather than English or Scottish.... and subservient to the Crown of .... England...

No wonder the Scots are wanting Scotxit.. and the Irish have never been part of 'Britain'.... and no wonder the original Britons want their country back.... and the Welsh and all....

Well - buggar me!
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Western Europeans are a failure in Australia
a success in North America.
Thankfully a lot of Eastern Europeans are giving Australia a much needed 'rebirth'.
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Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
What we need to do is to reassert our British identity and integrate into a Commonwealth of Nations.


It's not so much the British identity perhaps but certainly the western cultural heritage, going all the way back to the Greeks but more especially the Enlightenment.
But well said.

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____ wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
Secularism doesn't equate to no religion on television.

What's next, banning Bewitched ?


Bewitched is understood by everyone to be light fictional entertainment. But of course you knew that, so I take that as sarcasm without a point.

Swaggart is professing that which cannot be proven, as if it were truth, and practicing hypocrisy at the same time. His appeal is to those who have not been able to develop any critical thinking. Something needs to be done about it, or soon you will see all these ratbags preaching their twaddle as if it were truth.

Religions should be tolerated, not given the credit on par with the social system that allows their tolerance. If society was left to any one religion, they would do the others in. Take a look at the history of religion.

Our secular institutions need to be nourished. They will not be here to protect cultural or religious tolerance if we equate secularism with the bogus mystical mumbo-jumbo and superstitions that compete with each other and system that protects them.

Of course, if they really want to believe what they preach, they could shut up and go away and believe it, but they need confirmation by getting others to support them.

Australians need to be aware of the way secularism is being eroded, and Swaggart style TV is part of the process.
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John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.


I don't agree.

Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.


yes, they grew, they developed .... they didn't hang around pretending they were ancient Greeks or where ever it was romulus was supposed to have come from


My point is John that other countries took hundreds of years to develop their nationhood. Isn't it arrogant of that us to claim nationhood when we've only been around for over a hundred years?

Doesn't it demean France who have had war and revolution to be a nation?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.

You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.




There are more people here of Irish and Scottish descent than English - does that make them all 'British'?

'Britain', a 'nationality' derived from the ancient Britons who were conquered by successive waves of intruders, was a facile title arranged by the Plantagenets to  'validate' their de facto conquest of Scotland... and the imposition by them of a 'king by proxy' who was a vassal of the English king.... thus owning the joint outright.... thus all English and Scots became 'British' rather than English or Scottish.... and subservient to the Crown of .... England...

No wonder the Scots are wanting Scotxit.. and the Irish have never been part of 'Britain'.... and no wonder the original Britons want their country back.... and the Welsh and all....

Well - buggar me!


Actually, a Scottish king became the first king of Great Britain after the union in 1707.

Second, Britain referred to the British empire more broadly. That's why Indians in the Raj and people in other countries referred to people in London as English, not British. British nationality is only a recent development.
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Reply #24 - Aug 17th, 2017 at 7:30pm
 
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.

You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.


Well that's yet another idiotic statement of course we have an Australian identity.
One Globally recognised BTW.
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issuevoter wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Don't care?  But still whinge about the Americanisation of Australia? You need to to switch to channel 55. They call the channel Aspire.

You'll think you are in the American Bible Belt, and guess what? You are.

He got caught with prostitutes paid for by his ministering to dumb-ass Christians on cable TV. Jimmy Swaggart is calling on you on Free to Air Australian TV. Just send your donations to the Jimmy Swaggart Ministery to keep him in business.

Its one thing to whinge about American pop cultural influence, but this is far worse. Its propaganda and fund raising. What's next? A Liberal or Labor Party channel? Worse. Muzlims are going to use this for the justification of their own channel, on the grounds of “equal” rights.

This is serious indoctrination of the worst kind, because its available all day to people with weak minds. For my full opinion of how big a problem this is for Australia, go to the Atheism Forum and check out “ Its Not Good Enough.”

We need to reaffirm Australian secularism as our foundation, because its the only thing that will save cultural tolerance in this country. Don't get sucked in by the current pretense of tolerance, the religions hate each other.

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Jasin wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
Australia is a nation that is ruled by the British,
but populated by Americanised people.

There is nothing currently expressing an 'original' Australian identity both culturally and racially,
besides its Aboriginal past.





Australia was conquered, founded and built by mostly British people. They get the say. That's how it works the whole world over. If another country takes us over then they get the say.
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bogarde73 wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
What we need to do is to reassert our British identity and integrate into a Commonwealth of Nations.


It's not so much the British identity perhaps but certainly the western cultural heritage, going all the way back to the Greeks but more especially the Enlightenment.
But well said.

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Which enlightenment?
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Anyone that does not know how brilliant and unique Australia is, has not travelled enough or is just plain stoopid
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Auggie wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.


I don't agree.

Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.


yes, they grew, they developed .... they didn't hang around pretending they were ancient Greeks or where ever it was romulus was supposed to have come from


My point is John that other countries took hundreds of years to develop their nationhood. Isn't it arrogant of that us to claim nationhood when we've only been around for over a hundred years?

Doesn't it demean France who have had war and revolution to be a nation?



we are much more advanced now. We're better educated and have better access to information and people. There is no reason why we need to take thousands of years to develop
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Anyone that does not know how brilliant and unique Australia is, has not travelled enough or is just plain stoopid

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issuevoter wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Don't care?  But still whinge about the Americanisation of Australia? You need to to switch to channel 55. They call the channel Aspire.

You'll think you are in the American Bible Belt, and guess what? You are.

He got caught with prostitutes paid for by his ministering to dumb-ass Christians on cable TV. Jimmy Swaggart is calling on you on Free to Air Australian TV. Just send your donations to the Jimmy Swaggart Ministery to keep him in business.

Its one thing to whinge about American pop cultural influence, but this is far worse. Its propaganda and fund raising. What's next? A Liberal or Labor Party channel? Worse. Muzlims are going to use this for the justification of their own channel, on the grounds of “equal” rights.

This is serious indoctrination of the worst kind, because its available all day to people with weak minds. For my full opinion of how big a problem this is for Australia, go to the Atheism Forum and check out “ Its Not Good Enough.”

We need to reaffirm Australian secularism as our foundation, because its the only thing that will save cultural tolerance in this country. Don't get sucked in by the current pretense of tolerance, the religions hate each other.


Who cares what is on TV any more?
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freediver wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 9:38pm:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
Don't care?  But still whinge about the Americanisation of Australia? You need to to switch to channel 55. They call the channel Aspire.

You'll think you are in the American Bible Belt, and guess what? You are.

He got caught with prostitutes paid for by his ministering to dumb-ass Christians on cable TV. Jimmy Swaggart is calling on you on Free to Air Australian TV. Just send your donations to the Jimmy Swaggart Ministery to keep him in business.

Its one thing to whinge about American pop cultural influence, but this is far worse. Its propaganda and fund raising. What's next? A Liberal or Labor Party channel? Worse. Muzlims are going to use this for the justification of their own channel, on the grounds of “equal” rights.

This is serious indoctrination of the worst kind, because its available all day to people with weak minds. For my full opinion of how big a problem this is for Australia, go to the Atheism Forum and check out “ Its Not Good Enough.”

We need to reaffirm Australian secularism as our foundation, because its the only thing that will save cultural tolerance in this country. Don't get sucked in by the current pretense of tolerance, the religions hate each other.


Who cares what is on TV any more?


That's not the point, and if you cannot understand what I am saying, I don't know any way of making it clearer. The old, she'll be right mate, attitude, will not cut it anymore. These bastards don't care about the country they live in, they care about their religion. And they do not believe in tolerance of other beliefs.
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Reply #34 - Aug 17th, 2017 at 10:48pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


and whats that ?

stealing land and resources from indigenous people .. raping their women and killing the men folk ?
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Re: Australia, we have a problem
Reply #35 - Aug 17th, 2017 at 11:38pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


and whats that ?

stealing land and resources from indigenous people .. raping their women and killing the men folk ?


no, I was thinking more developing more crack pot conspiracy theories, applauding accused rapists and championing liars.
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Re: Australia, we have a problem
Reply #36 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 9:17am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


and whats that ?

stealing land and resources from indigenous people .. raping their women and killing the men folk ?


They rape & kill their own ... & in history there were never any indigenous Iron Ore, Coal, Copper, Zinc, tin, Gold miners.

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Re: Australia, we have a problem
Reply #37 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Auggie wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
we are far to Americanised.


Yes, we need to go back to our British heritage.


no, we certainly don't need that. We need to grow our Australianism


We don't have an Australian identity, John Smith, we are British.

You're of Italian origin, right? Look at how look it took for Italy to develop its nationhood - hundreds of years and it took Garibaldi and blackshirts and a war with Austria to create the modern Italian state.


Well that's yet another idiotic statement of course we have an Australian identity.
One Globally recognised BTW.


Actually, many people still us as British globally.
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Re: Australia, we have a problem
Reply #38 - Aug 18th, 2017 at 12:34pm
 
miketrees wrote on Aug 17th, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Anyone that does not know how brilliant and unique Australia is, has not travelled enough or is just plain stoopid


Oh I know how brilliant and unique we are. The question is WHY?

We have a high quality of life because of our social welfare state and our social institutions.

Where do both come from?

Let me see....

Britain.
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