I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't wasted without a care in the world, 'they can always take more'.


Watching the government spend my money is like watching a big dog taking a sh1t on the carpet while staring at you straight in the eye.


Yo can yell at it, but you know it is going to finish off rather than stop.

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That is quite a creative definition of slavery.
Using that definition all employees are in fact slaves
No one is being forced to work and working for the benefit of others is, in fact, how capitalism works.


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50% ?
They are using the same creative accounting that Joe Hockey used. It isn't any where close to 50%. The highest tax rate is 45% and you only pay that for very dollar above $180,000. Then you have to take into account how much is spent on roads, schools, health, defense, police and other things that you benefit from. Then there is the aged pension, which is something that you arn't benefiting from now, but you will in the future.

Even welfare payments are an indirect benefit. They provide piece of mind that there is a safety net if you were to become unemployed, injured or sick. They also create social cohesion because studies have shown that the greater inequality there is in society the greater social problems there are.

So stop your endless whining and be careful what you wish for. An economy which relies solely on a user pays system is not something you would want to live in.

i think you have to flip your way of thinking on this swagman.

humans are biologically wired to do as little as possible as long as they can "survive' and "keep the dna going'  ie  pump out a kid or two.

its why most people are very very mediocre.

there are so many things they could do, so many passions they could pursue, so many places they could go but they will do none of it because  the evolutionary pressure is gone and they are incapable of self motivating.

in short, they are screwed and the thing that is keeping them screwed is that they simply arent challenged enough.

when they tax certain people and redistribute the income to other people , who really wins ? think hard about this.

the person who recieves the welfare or the free meal most certainly does NOT win. he's screwed. he's diminished. he's less of a man. he's going nowhere.

the person who pays the high taxes has a choice though .
I dont think theres ever been a year i didnt pay more tax then the PM and when i was younger it used to bug me, but what you resist persists.

you have to get on the other side of this.
you have to see your big tax contribution as reaffirming the fact that you are a winner. that you are one of those lucky few who lives in abundance. that you never drank  from the poisoned chalice of the freebie and that you still have momentum and passion.

money doesnt really matter in the long run any way.

if you can hustle and stay in positivity, if you can stay present and just keep following a passion, the universe will keep giving more and more and more to you.
its crazy.
the more i have the more they give me.
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
its just how the universe works.

if you try to take or are only interested in what you can get, you are farrrked. and income redistribution encourages most people to see life in terms of what they can get (me,me,me and my rough little life) it puts them in a scarcity mind set and it destroys them.

its why i now view paying tax as a way of wiping out the opposition.
i view it like we are all running a marathon and the tax bill is a big hill . all my competitors are going to give up, stop trying to run their business, slow down, get butt hurt by the taxes and get angry and piss off their customers and i'm going to scoop it all up as they drop out.

awesome news

Australia - The land of the willing.

Some people are willing to work and pay taxes.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:


Name one country that doesn't have a progressive taxation system.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:


The nation of Swagmania

oh good swag's back to stand up against the outrageous persecution (or "slavery" as he puts it) of the poor downtrodden fabulously wealthy

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:



Wait, what?


That socialist are constantly demanding other people's money to fund whatever lifestyle choice du juor, is ideological nonsense I agree, but what are ya gonna do?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:


What socialists we haven't had one of those for many decades.

100s of 1000s of people have gone to Centerlink to
claim the dole or DSP after they lost their job,
after working & paying taxes all their lives
and were told they weren't entitled to a penny.

Centerlink has a book called -
1001 reasons not to give you a penny.

Anyway - life is full of injustices.

There is no serious political will for wealth re-distribution.
Wealth manipulates power, and will always seek to maintain its own interests and position.
200 of australia's richest people paid no income tax, not even the medicare levy.
And then a political silence, but there are diversions cynically designed to focus people's attention elsewhere.
History shows there is only one way to successfully re-distribute wealth.

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 10:22am:


I highly recommend watching The Big Short - about the start of the GFC. The causes of this was not merely immoral behaviour, it was illegal activity on an industrial scale. And after all that, one single person went to gaol for it - and he was a small fry. All the big players not only didn't get penalised for their criminality, they enjoyed big fat bonuses courtesy of the great government bailout package. It was the poor people of course who wore the cost of it all. And no one should expect anything different under capitalism.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:


If you like to be strict about it, then all tax money are people's own money anyway.   If I run a business, and make a loss.  I will not be able to off set that loss against my main income.  I will however, get it in a form of tax credit against future gains when my business do start to make money. 

With properties however, this loss can be off set against my other main income through negative gearing.  So in a way, we are socializing people's investment loss with revenues that otherwise would have been gained if its another business other than property investment.

This creates an inequality in terms of risk between different investments.  Which in term, creates an environment where the banks would tolerate more risks with property investment than other smaller business investment types.  And this can have flow on effects to the economy - through higher interest rates and principal requirement. 

For example, it is alot easier to get an investment loan on a 500k property, upto 400k in loan, at a lower interest rate, than it is to say getting a loan to start a small business of 200k. 

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 2:05pm:



Most business owners have their business income as their main income, I know I did.


But if you are talking about someone who sells sh1t in ebay, then yeah you are right, but jeezus.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:


Then you should not have a problem if your business income is your main sourse of income.  Because any losses you make, you can offset against your income.   However, if you use your money earned to try to make more money from another source, then it is you who have to do your own homework to see if the business/investment would make you money or losses.   The tax payers cant be there to off set your poor business decisions.

Since you also own a small business, then negative gearing affect you as well directly.  Because when most investment money are tied up with property speculation, the cost of business loans for other businesses such as yours would naturally be higher through higher interest rate charges.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:


Oh no no, I don't view tax write off as dubious accounting practice.  At the moment, the negative gearing is legal. So anyone can do it.  I just question if it fits under the model of free market, small government conservative economics.

Hey, I understand your predicament.  Those pesky 3 monthly GST statement that does your head in.  Luckily, most of our business income is GST free, so we get a good amount of money returned.   

The maximum any one person, couple or family should pay as income tax is 20% of that income, and no more. Everyone pays the same rate of tax, and in the event of emergencies, the Parliament can increase taxes but only for a specified limited amount of time.

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:


Should all republicans be double taxed for a republican referendum?

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:


Rubbish. Those who support the monarchy have been called all sorts of names: "sell outs" etc.

The SSM marriage issue is about equality before the law. Do you not believe in this principal?

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 10:22am:


And lets not forget the billions used to bail out the overseas banks during the GFC because they were "too big to fail". 

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:


Divine Right Of Elected Government, smith - once you abrogate and forfeit your individual right to tell government what it can and cannot dictate - you are running the razor across your grand-kid's necks...

What part of history tells you otherwise?  Italy?  Germany?  Russia?  Cambodia? Japan?  America - North and South?  England?  New South Wales?

Are you prepared to bow down in a feudal manner and pledge obeisance to your overlord, the State, and thus accept all of its decrees or be declared rebel or outlaw?  Or are you a king in your own right in your own home and castle, and are thus entitled, in a democratic institution, to tell the State where its powers end?

Get your thinking out of the Dark Ages and the medieval times, boy.... damn, you Italians STILL got no balls...

'same sex marriage' is a mole sent to undermine the institution of the Right of the People to dictate to the government - and NOT the other way around.

It seems you've missed most of the past forty years in this once-fine nation..... I weep for you and your descendants...

all these things are there to f**ck with your mind.

humans have a natural tendency to not waste energy (another way of saying this is that laziness is the default).

if you get welfare, your reptilian brain will be happy, you will achieve nothing and you are screwed.

if you are working but in lower consciousness (being run by your reptilian brain), you will look at those on welfare and get envious or angry because you dont want to work either.

Dont be tricked. if you go down that path , you also are screwed.

the only way to move up is to face challenges,
challenges cause the growth.

your reptilian brain doesnt seek out challenges.
but your higher consciousness does.

get in tune with higher consciousness.

the ammount of opportunities out there for growth is unbelievable.

you can travel the world, climb everest, do it all...but most people will do none of it.

if you fall into the trap of wanting to get stuff without facing a challenge (the socialist model) or if you resist city hall and get all butt hurt about paying taxes (the angry rightie model), then you are screwed.
you are spinning your wheels, you are going nowhere, you will achieve nothing of your potential.
life is over in a blink.

you have this happy childhood where your parents create a false reality
then you hit high school and you either get bullied or you are the bully.
then you heal from the wounds of this and you have to decide what do you want out of life.
and then you pick something that it means, some north star and you go for it.

most people miss step 3.
they stay in scarcity and never really grow up.
pensioners still wanting to suck on societies titties.
retirees still all butt hurt because they have to pay taxes , like some child chucking a tantrum.

if you have no north star, you have no boundaries and you will just wander the earth in a soup seeking ways to have your default emotional state triggered.
if you are a complainer or a sook or outraged, you just wrote off your life.
you got none of the value out of it.
all the great religions point to his one fact.

render unto ceasar what is caesars and then get on with having an awesome life.

if you cant have an awesome life in australia in 2017, you are a f***king disgrace