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Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:02am
 
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Wealth Redistribution Through Taxation

Defined: Taxing for the purpose of giving money to other people.

While much taxation is used for the supply of common goods (eg roads, parks etc), governments of most modern social-democracies take a significant proportion of GDP for the purpose of simply giving it away. Ostensibly this 'churn' process is about taking from the rich and giving to the poor. In practise, is frequently about giving to groups favoured by the government (those with 'families', or 'single parents' etc).[AKA Ochlocrats]

It is justified on humanitarian grounds, to increase equality of opportunity, to give a 'leg up' to those at the bottom, to provide a safety net to those who have lost their way, to improve 'social cohesion'.

In fact, it is a form of slavery. It is forcing someone to work for the benefit of another.
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While some might argue that no force is involved (because no-one is forced to work), saying in effect 'you don't have to work, but if you do, then 50% of that work must be for the benefit of someone else' is an application of force.

The practise has no more moral validity than slavery.  Sad

This is not to say that wealth redistribution is immoral. If an individual chooses to give their wealth to others, they are perfectly entitled to. [Charity] But they have no right to force others to do so.
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Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:07am
 


I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't wasted without a care in the world, 'they can always take more'.


Watching the government spend my money is like watching a big dog taking a sh1t on the carpet while staring at you straight in the eye.


Yo can yell at it, but you know it is going to finish off rather than stop.
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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:10am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:07am:
Watching the government spend my money is like watching a big dog taking a sh1t on the carpet while staring at you straight in the eye.


......a damned fine analogy  Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am
 
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In fact, it is a form of slavery. It is forcing someone to work for the benefit of another.


That is quite a creative definition of slavery.
Using that definition all employees are in fact slaves
No one is being forced to work and working for the benefit of others is, in fact, how capitalism works.


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you don't have to work, but if you do, then 50% of that work must be for the benefit of someone else' is an application of force.


50% ?
They are using the same creative accounting that Joe Hockey used. It isn't any where close to 50%. The highest tax rate is 45% and you only pay that for very dollar above $180,000. Then you have to take into account how much is spent on roads, schools, health, defense, police and other things that you benefit from. Then there is the aged pension, which is something that you arn't benefiting from now, but you will in the future.

Even welfare payments are an indirect benefit. They provide piece of mind that there is a safety net if you were to become unemployed, injured or sick. They also create social cohesion because studies have shown that the greater inequality there is in society the greater social problems there are.

So stop your endless whining and be careful what you wish for. An economy which relies solely on a user pays system is not something you would want to live in.
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:28pm
 
i think you have to flip your way of thinking on this swagman.

humans are biologically wired to do as little as possible as long as they can "survive' and "keep the dna going'  ie  pump out a kid or two.

its why most people are very very mediocre.

there are so many things they could do, so many passions they could pursue, so many places they could go but they will do none of it because  the evolutionary pressure is gone and they are incapable of self motivating.

in short, they are screwed and the thing that is keeping them screwed is that they simply arent challenged enough.

when they tax certain people and redistribute the income to other people , who really wins ? think hard about this.

the person who recieves the welfare or the free meal most certainly does NOT win. he's screwed. he's diminished. he's less of a man. he's going nowhere.

the person who pays the high taxes has a choice though .
I dont think theres ever been a year i didnt pay more tax then the PM and when i was younger it used to bug me, but what you resist persists.

you have to get on the other side of this.
you have to see your big tax contribution as reaffirming the fact that you are a winner. that you are one of those lucky few who lives in abundance. that you never drank  from the poisoned chalice of the freebie and that you still have momentum and passion.

money doesnt really matter in the long run any way.

if you can hustle and stay in positivity, if you can stay present and just keep following a passion, the universe will keep giving more and more and more to you.
its crazy.
the more i have the more they give me.
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
its just how the universe works.

if you try to take or are only interested in what you can get, you are farrrked. and income redistribution encourages most people to see life in terms of what they can get (me,me,me and my rough little life) it puts them in a scarcity mind set and it destroys them.

its why i now view paying tax as a way of wiping out the opposition.
i view it like we are all running a marathon and the tax bill is a big hill . all my competitors are going to give up, stop trying to run their business, slow down, get butt hurt by the taxes and get angry and piss off their customers and i'm going to scoop it all up as they drop out.

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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am:
That is quite a creative definition of slavery.
Using that definition all employees are in fact slaves
No one is being forced to work and working for the benefit of others is, in fact, how capitalism works.


...if everyone paid the same amount of tax yes.  But we don't.

The fact is that a minority pays the majority of tax.  That minority are indeed forced to pay more tax than the majority by the majority.  That portion of extra tax represents (in effect) unpaid work.  That is therefore 'forced unpaid work' which is akin to slavery.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am:
50% ?
They are using the same creative accounting that Joe Hockey used. It isn't any where close to 50%. The highest tax rate is 45% and you only pay that for very dollar above $180,000. Then you have to take into account how much is spent on roads, schools, health, defense, police and other things that you benefit from. Then there is the aged pension, which is something that you arn't benefiting from now, but you will in the future.


Throw in GST, land rates, medicare, etc and you will get 50%. The percentage really doesn't really matter, it just increases or decreases the level of slave time.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Then you have to take into account how much is spent on roads, schools, health, defense, police and other things that you benefit from


Yes, but why should any individual pay more for these 'services' than others?


The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Even welfare payments are an indirect benefit. They provide piece of mind that there is a safety net if you were to become unemployed, injured or sick. They also create social cohesion because studies have shown that the greater inequality there is in society the greater social problems there are.


Doesn't make it right.  That is simply a form of armed robbery.  Pay up or we'll bash you....

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:59am:
So stop your endless whining


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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
Australia - The land of the willing.

Some people are willing to work and pay taxes.

Others are willing to let them.
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
Australia - The land of the willing.

Some people are willing to work and pay taxes.

Others are willing to let them.




They would be the socialists, born with their hand out first.  Smiley Smiley


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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
They would be the socialists, born with their hand out first.  Smiley Smiley




Name one country that doesn't have a progressive taxation system.


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The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
They would be the socialists, born with their hand out first.  Smiley Smiley




Name one country that doesn't have a progressive taxation system.





Irrelevant, my comment still stands regardless of the answer
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Reply #11 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
They would be the socialists, born with their hand out first.  Smiley Smiley




Name one country that doesn't have a progressive taxation system.




The nation of Swagmania
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BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
They would be the socialists, born with their hand out first.  Smiley Smiley




Name one country that doesn't have a progressive taxation system.





Irrelevant, my comment still stands regardless of the answer


That's because it is ideological nonsense that would never work in the real world.
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 1:24pm
 
oh good swag's back to stand up against the outrageous persecution (or "slavery" as he puts it) of the poor downtrodden fabulously wealthy
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
The only real redistribution through taxation I have seen was the tax reductions at the top end paid for by everyone else during the Howard years.
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