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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #45 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm
 
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.
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Reply #46 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:35pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


And protecting them from people who may disagree with them; helps them how?
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #47 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


And protecting them from people who may disagree with them; helps them how?



I don't know why you are asking me that question.

I have given no indication that i think children should be protected from those who may disagree with them.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #48 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


Never said they didn't need peers, the best way for them to learn how to "get along" is to watch adults that can do it. All kids look to those older than them to learn how to behave, their mums and dads, older siblings, cousins, their family, their tribe.

Sticking a bunch of kids of the same age together without the other members of the tribe to lead them will lead to mayhem.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #49 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


Never said they didn't need peers, the best way for them to learn how to "get along" is to watch adults that can do it. All kids look to those older than them to learn how to behave, their mums and dads, older siblings, cousins, their family, their tribe.

Sticking a bunch of kids of the same age together without the other members of the tribe to lead them will lead to mayhem.



Who said there should be no tribe to guide them?

Anyway, kids need to test themselves out and all they have learnt against the society they will be living in.

If you've done your job as a parent, you have nothing to fear from a good school and much to gain.'

If you haven't done your job as a parent, then the school is even more crucial.
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Reply #50 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


Never said they didn't need peers, the best way for them to learn how to "get along" is to watch adults that can do it. All kids look to those older than them to learn how to behave, their mums and dads, older siblings, cousins, their family, their tribe.

Sticking a bunch of kids of the same age together without the other members of the tribe to lead them will lead to mayhem.



Who said there should be no tribe to guide them?

Anyway, kids need to test themselves out and all they have learnt against the society they will be living in.

If you've done your job as a parent, you have nothing to fear from a good school and much to gain.'

If you haven't done your job as a parent, then the school is even more crucial.


Are we talking across each other? Grin

If you have done your job as a parent, these programs are pointless, if you haven't, they are still pointless as what happens in the family will override what is taught at school. Better school be left for academic achievement than social engineering.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #51 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


Never said they didn't need peers, the best way for them to learn how to "get along" is to watch adults that can do it. All kids look to those older than them to learn how to behave, their mums and dads, older siblings, cousins, their family, their tribe.

Sticking a bunch of kids of the same age together without the other members of the tribe to lead them will lead to mayhem.



Who said there should be no tribe to guide them?

Anyway, kids need to test themselves out and all they have learnt against the society they will be living in.

If you've done your job as a parent, you have nothing to fear from a good school and much to gain.'

If you haven't done your job as a parent, then the school is even more crucial.


Are we talking across each other? Grin

If you have done your job as a parent, these programs are pointless, if you haven't, they are still pointless as what happens in the family will override what is taught at school. Better school be left for academic achievement than social engineering.


Social engineering? Now we're getting to the pointy end.

Your criticismisn't so much that they are being taught .. it is that you think what they are being taught is social engineering?

Do you not think there should be sex ed at school?
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Reply #52 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:52pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:40pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
But they need peers too.

And they need to learn to deal with people they don't agree with or get along with.


Never said they didn't need peers, the best way for them to learn how to "get along" is to watch adults that can do it. All kids look to those older than them to learn how to behave, their mums and dads, older siblings, cousins, their family, their tribe.

Sticking a bunch of kids of the same age together without the other members of the tribe to lead them will lead to mayhem.



Who said there should be no tribe to guide them?

Anyway, kids need to test themselves out and all they have learnt against the society they will be living in.

If you've done your job as a parent, you have nothing to fear from a good school and much to gain.'

If you haven't done your job as a parent, then the school is even more crucial.


Are we talking across each other? Grin

If you have done your job as a parent, these programs are pointless, if you haven't, they are still pointless as what happens in the family will override what is taught at school. Better school be left for academic achievement than social engineering.


Social engineering? Now we're getting to the pointy end.

Your criticismisn't so much that they are being taught .. it is that you think what they are being taught is social engineering?

Do you not think there should be sex ed at school?


It is social engineering and it will be undone at home if the parents don't like it, just as religion was undone at home in my family even though all the kids spent a good deal of time at a Christian Community School and none of them are believers.

Biology is a part of science, so yes.
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Reply #53 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
What part of the safe schools program do you think is social engineering, Setanta?
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Reply #54 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:59pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
What part of the safe schools program do you think is social engineering, Setanta?


Telling kids what to believe is social engineering, just as teaching them religion is. Are there 63 genders, or 62 other genders they should not pick on? Should they just be told don't pick on or bully "people"? Do kids need "gender studies" to understand this?

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Reply #55 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:59pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
What part of the safe schools program do you think is social engineering, Setanta?


Telling kids what to believe is social engineering, just as teaching them religion is. Are there 63 genders, or 62 other genders they should not pick on? Should they just be told don't pick on or bully "people"? Do kids need "gender studies" to understand this?



Did you read the OP? Nowhere in the Safe Schools program do they talk about 63 genders.
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Reply #56 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm
 
Marijke: "The safe schools program teaches children that there are 63 types of genders."

Department: The Safe Schools program does not teach this.
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Reply #57 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Marijke: "The safe schools program teaches children that there are 63 types of genders."

Department: The Safe Schools program does not teach this.


Quote:
Speaking at a Victoria University event organised for Pride Week last month, Ms Ward took aim at conservative politicians, ­academics and the Murdoch press (which includes The Aust­ralian), blaming them for the controversy over sexual and gender diversity program.


http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/korean/en/content/australian-safe-schools-act...
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The architect behind a contentious sexual diversity program set to become mandatory across all Victorian schools is an outspoken hard-left warrior who has publicly denounced Immigration Minister Peter Dutton as a sexist prick.
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Reply #58 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
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Reply #59 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Marijke: "The safe schools program teaches children that there are 63 types of genders."

Department: The Safe Schools program does not teach this.


Quote:
Speaking at a Victoria University event organised for Pride Week last month, Ms Ward took aim at conservative politicians, ­academics and the Murdoch press (which includes The Aust­ralian), blaming them for the controversy over sexual and gender diversity program.


http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/korean/en/content/australian-safe-schools-act...
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The architect behind a contentious sexual diversity program set to become mandatory across all Victorian schools is an outspoken hard-left warrior who has publicly denounced Immigration Minister Peter Dutton as a sexist prick.


Yes. And?

Help me, i'm lost.
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