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Reply #30 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:39pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

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wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...


Grow a set? And, no, set is not me.
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Reply #31 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:41pm
 
Give me a boy at the age of five and he is mine forever....... old church saying...
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Reply #32 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:42pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:35pm:
I'm placing what kids will learn, no matter what the school teaches, in parents hands. If you can understand that, then what is taught at school is irrelevant. Hence my position of teaching what is factual at school and leaving the rest of the social crap to the tribe.

If you want to change the tribe, don't do it in school.


I see it differently. I see it as school validating most of what i teach my kids and challenging them to hold what i have taught them up against differing perspectives when they arise.

I have faith in what i have taught my kids.

I hear you do too.

Yet not all parents are as you and i, Setanta. These kids have to learn. Knowledge never hurts. More good comes out of education than harm.
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Reply #33 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:45pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

Sad Sad Sad

wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...



We do Cods. But it's interesting how we are expecting our kids to behave better than us.

Another reason why such lessons need be taught to school children? For fear they are not learning how to speak to and about people with respect from their parents?

How many little eyes peering over shoulders while parents and grandparents behave appallingly on social media?


We teach out kids to behave better than us, at home. My youngest son is a far better man than I although I could kick his arse. He is a fa more grounded person than I, he does not get as angry as I, I have told him why things influence me the way they do, try to explain my "problems". He's grown up with me, he knows them, the understanding comes with knowing the other. This is not something that can be taught.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #34 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:47pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

Sad Sad Sad

wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...



We do Cods. But it's interesting how we are expecting our kids to behave better than us.

Another reason why such lessons need be taught to school children? For fear they are not learning how to speak to and about people with respect from their parents?

How many little eyes peering over shoulders while parents and grandparents behave appallingly on social media?


We teach out kids to behave better than us, at home. My youngest son is a far better man than I although I could kick his arse. He is a fa more grounded person than I, he does not get as angry as I, I have told him why things influence me the way they do, try to explain my "problems". He's grown up with me, he knows them, the understanding comes with knowing the other. This is not something that can be taught.



I would say the same about my son... he just always automatically does 'the right thing'... it's in the genes a lot.. and he was raised much as you say yours were, as was his sister... always part of the team, but his dad has a lot to deal with.  At least his kids adore me as grampa, without judgement.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #35 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:47pm
 
I blame Islam.
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Reply #36 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:49pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:47pm:
I blame Islam.


.. and the feminists and their running dogs..... for raising the level of violence and intolerance within society.....
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Reply #37 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:54pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

Sad Sad Sad

wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...



We do Cods. But it's interesting how we are expecting our kids to behave better than us.

Another reason why such lessons need be taught to school children? For fear they are not learning how to speak to and about people with respect from their parents?

How many little eyes peering over shoulders while parents and grandparents behave appallingly on social media?


We teach out kids to behave better than us, at home. My youngest son is a far better man than I although I could kick his arse. He is a fa more grounded person than I, he does not get as angry as I, I have told him why things influence me the way they do, try to explain my "problems". He's grown up with me, he knows them, the understanding comes with knowing the other. This is not something that can be taught.



I would say the same about my son... he just always automatically does 'the right thing'... it's in the genes a lot.. and he was raised much as you say yours were, as was his sister... always part of the team, but his dad has a lot to deal with.  At least his kids adore me as grampa, without judgement.


Grap! What are you doing in my genes? Grin

I had middle son ask me about a business decision, "it would be so much cheaper", my answer was what have I taught you.
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Reply #38 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:04am
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?



I honestly have no idea but when I was a parent of kids at a state school I removed them from religious education. Every subject that is not core should be under the same opt in/out. I would rather my kid spend his time in the library than sit in in gender diversity studies. No need for it.


Yes the same Roz Ward that admitted it wasn't about bullying but changing society.
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Reply #39 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:01am
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:36pm:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

Sad Sad Sad

wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...



We do Cods. But it's interesting how we are expecting our kids to behave better than us.

Another reason why such lessons need be taught to school children? For fear they are not learning how to speak to and about people with respect from their parents?

How many little eyes peering over shoulders while parents and grandparents behave appallingly on social media?


We teach out kids to behave better than us, at home. My youngest son is a far better man than I although I could kick his arse. He is a fa more grounded person than I, he does not get as angry as I, I have told him why things influence me the way they do, try to explain my "problems". He's grown up with me, he knows them, the understanding comes with knowing the other. This is not something that can be taught.




as an adult   anger is something only YOU can get over....even you must see that.....children mostly learn by example... and of course lots of praise ..dont forget the kids today have so much temptation to deal with..and parenting isnt anythin g like it used to be..so many children are  put into childcare soon after they are born   dont tell me thats a good thing...

.the schools in Canberra now have fences and gates all round them  [ a sign of the times]... but I think it was also to stop those dropping their kids off before any adults arrived.....some parents have no shame....
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Reply #40 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:41am
 
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?

https://www.facebook.com/familyvoiceaustralia/videos/778255198941671/



I only have one question how did Roz Ward get to be the founder of this program.......?

Just by looking at her you can tell she is a troubled individual.

The education department needs an overhaul.

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Leaked video: Safe Schools is "not about stopping bullying"!

Co-founder Roz Ward had admitted the program is actually about supporting gender and sexual diversity - not anti-bullying.
Please share this video. We must protect our kids from this dangerous Marxist ideology!


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Reply #41 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:20am
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:41am:
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?

https://www.facebook.com/familyvoiceaustralia/videos/778255198941671/



I only have one question how did Roz Ward get to be the founder of this program.......?

Just by looking at her you can tell she is a troubled individual.

The education department needs an overhaul.

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Leaked video: Safe Schools is "not about stopping bullying"!

Co-founder Roz Ward had admitted the program is actually about supporting gender and sexual diversity - not anti-bullying.
Please share this video. We must protect our kids from this dangerous Marxist ideology!




Thanks for that post. It's hard to believe that she was allowed to instigate such a narrowly focused program in the guise of a wider bullying program.


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Reply #42 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
Frankston High School principal John Albiston receives a steady stream of emails from people opposed to the program, including members of the Australian Christian Lobby and Rise Up Australia.


The usual suspects.

Roll Eyes



I liked this bit particularly:

"At its centre is Marcus Bastiaan, the charismatic 27-year-old who who has made it his mission to re-energise the Liberals' conservative base through a membership drive targeting everyone from Mormons and Evangelical Christians to Probus and ethnic community groups. Safe Schools, according to one Bastiaan ally, has been "a good recruitment tool"."



Is that Matty?
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Reply #43 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, to grey haired children, their elders. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.



Disagree ..... school is a large part of that tribe. We tend to congregate with people most like us, limiting kids exposure to your circle of family and friends limits their interactions. It doesn't teach them how to deal with people who are 'different', confrontational, people they don't like.

An old psychology teacher once told me he preferred his kids socialise with the wrong crowd, than no crowd.
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Reply #44 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:29am:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, to grey haired children, their elders. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.



Disagree ..... school is a large part of that tribe. We tend to congregate with people most like us, limiting kids exposure to your circle of family and friends limits their interactions. It doesn't teach them how to deal with people who are 'different', confrontational, people they don't like.

An old psychology teacher once told me he preferred his kids socialise with the wrong crowd, than no crowd.


And I prefer mine to socialise with the right crowd rather than the wrong. I can see a heirarchy forming here.

In a tribe, the kids learn and interact with all ages, not just their peers. Thinking that kids should spend all/most of their time with their peers is just wrong. They need to associate with their whole tribe not their peers to get a well rounded view of how to behave.
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