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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #15 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:05pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?



I honestly have no idea but when I was a parent of kids at a state school I removed them from religious education. Every subject that is not core ...


Define "core".



I suspect one of your pedantic setups but... Schools should be aimed at Math, Science, Language, History.


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Reply #16 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
I gather you mean 'Maths'.



Both are correct. Wink
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Reply #17 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?
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Reply #18 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?



I honestly have no idea but when I was a parent of kids at a state school I removed them from religious education. Every subject that is not core ...


Define "core".



I suspect one of your pedantic setups but... Schools should be aimed at Math, Science, Language, History.


I gather you mean 'Maths'.

Or, do you call statistics 'Stat'?



I think you really showed me tonight Greg. Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:07pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
I gather you mean 'Maths'.



Both are correct. Wink


Do you call statistics 'Stat'?

Does anyone?



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Reply #20 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:09pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:48pm:
lee wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:42pm:
"Who's behind the Safe School videos?"

Isn't it Roz Ward who has admitted it wasn't about anti-bullying but about supporting gender and sexual diversity?



I honestly have no idea but when I was a parent of kids at a state school I removed them from religious education. Every subject that is not core ...


Define "core".



I suspect one of your pedantic setups but... Schools should be aimed at Math, Science, Language, History.


I gather you mean 'Maths'.

Or, do you call statistics 'Stat'?



I think you really showed me tonight Greg. Roll Eyes


Why do you say 'math'?

Do you think it's trendy to sound American?

And, you didn't answer: do you call statistics 'stat'?

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Reply #21 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, to grey haired children, their elders. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.
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Reply #22 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.
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Reply #23 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.


I thought you would. My statements are based on what I have done, how humans lived in the past, how things were handed down.

My children were never sent off, they were invited to the adults table when we were taking crap, to put their two bob in. They were never excluded, they could say what they wanted and though they did at times, they mostly listened. It happened at home.



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Reply #24 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:20pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.


I thought you would. My statements are based on what I have done, how humans lived in the past, how things were handed down.

My children were never sent off, they were invited to the adults table when we were taking crap, to put their two bob in. They were never excluded, they could say what they wanted and though they did at times, they mostly listened.





Same with my kids. Always treated with the same respect shown any adult and always included and taken everywhere.

But i can't sing the praises of the school i picked for my kids enough.
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Reply #25 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:24pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.


I thought you would. My statements are based on what I have done, how humans lived in the past, how things were handed down.

My children were never sent off, they were invited to the adults table when we were taking crap, to put their two bob in. They were never excluded, they could say what they wanted and though they did at times, they mostly listened.





Same with my kids. Always treated with the same respect shown any adult and always included and taken everywhere.

But i can't sing the praises of the school i picked for my kids enough.


Then why do you think it's the schools job? Our network of friends and their influence in discussions the kids sat in on carried much more weight that what was taught at school, just as I disabused them of bible crap when hey brought it home.
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Re: Who's behind the Safe School videos?
Reply #26 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:29pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:24pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.


I thought you would. My statements are based on what I have done, how humans lived in the past, how things were handed down.

My children were never sent off, they were invited to the adults table when we were taking crap, to put their two bob in. They were never excluded, they could say what they wanted and though they did at times, they mostly listened.





Same with my kids. Always treated with the same respect shown any adult and always included and taken everywhere.

But i can't sing the praises of the school i picked for my kids enough.


Then why do you think it's the schools job? Our network of friends and their influence in discussions the kids sat in on carried much more weight that what was taught at school, just as I disabused them of bible crap when hey brought it home.


I didn't say it was the school's job.

But are you seriously placing society's overall health in the hands of parents alone? Do you know how much crap is out there? Not to mention that a concerted effort needs to be put in regards to the  internet .. for a number of reasons.

Half the time, teachers are correcting bad information the kids have picked up along the way.



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Reply #27 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm
 
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

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wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...
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Reply #28 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:29pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:24pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:17pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:13pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 10:58pm:
Actually, for the people that think anything outside of the core subjects should be taught at school, consider why you hold those opinions and let us know what/why they are.

My kids went to a christian school, had crap put in their heads, I flushed it when they came home. The home will always override what is taught in school. The home is where "non core" subjects find their mark.



No. I think much of school is about socialisation.

I want my kids to learn life skills at school.

I will work at home with my kids through everything they have been introduced to. Be that academically or socially.

For instance, i think they should teach you how to do a tax return at school ... navigate bureaucracy ... read contracts. These are things that bugger people up f their parents don't show them.

And sex-ed has always been part of schools. Otherwise they're going to have some big questions in biology, yes?


School is not the place for socialising of kids. It's one of the worst places for it.
Socialising a child takes a tribe, all ages, from the infants they look after to the children they rest on their knees, grey haired. Peers, are the worst influences on a child, it takes the input of a range of aged people for the child to make reasonable decisions.


I strongly disagree. Children should learn how to navigate all sorts of different kinds of people.

How else to test the values you and the tribe instil in them so they know they mean something and can represent them?

Or you pick a really good school and it comes with a tribe.


I thought you would. My statements are based on what I have done, how humans lived in the past, how things were handed down.

My children were never sent off, they were invited to the adults table when we were taking crap, to put their two bob in. They were never excluded, they could say what they wanted and though they did at times, they mostly listened.





Same with my kids. Always treated with the same respect shown any adult and always included and taken everywhere.

But i can't sing the praises of the school i picked for my kids enough.


Then why do you think it's the schools job? Our network of friends and their influence in discussions the kids sat in on carried much more weight that what was taught at school, just as I disabused them of bible crap when hey brought it home.


I didn't say it was the school's job.

But are you seriously placing society's overall health in the hands of parents alone? Do you know how much crap is out there? Not to mention that a concerted effort needs to be put in regards to the  internet .. for a number of reasons.

Half the time, teachers are correcting bad information the kids have picked up along the way.


I'm placing what kids will learn, no matter what the school teaches, in parents hands. If you can understand that, then what is taught at school is irrelevant. Hence my position of teaching what is factual at school and leaving the rest of the social crap to the tribe.

If you want to change the tribe, don't do it in school.
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Reply #29 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:36pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 11:31pm:
what about protection from bullies on the internet?????


anyone got any ideas on that... safe political forums for instance???

Sad Sad Sad

wouldnt it be nice to be able to come to a place.. lets say like....ozpol   and not be bullied by a certain class of people.. wouldnt it be nice to think those who are vulnerable had people they could turn too in the hope of putting a stop to it.... the bullying I mean..

safe schools   I am sure making a law will stop people being nasty.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

well we all live in hope dont we?...



We do Cods. But it's interesting how we are expecting our kids to behave better than us.

Another reason why such lessons need be taught to school children? For fear they are not learning how to speak to and about people with respect from their parents?

How many little eyes peering over shoulders while parents and grandparents behave appallingly on social media?
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