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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
I saw a website selling law degrees for $20 the other day. Do you think it would boost my credibility if I got one?


In your case, I doubt it.
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Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
It does not take it further at all. You get a lesser sentence if you plead guilty, cooperate with police etc. It's the same old problem we have always had. You can't expect an innocent man to plead guilty, yet he still goes to jail for longer if he pleads innocent and is found guilty.

Bottom line is, people found guilty have to be treated as guilty, regardless of the flaws in the system.


Yeas....but this new crap (an added punishment way beyond what was until today) has been brought in despite the fact that these populist politicians know full well our system is flawed.


So your only valid objection is that this specific implementation of a very old principle is 'new'?
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:18pm:
It does not take it further at all. You get a lesser sentence if you plead guilty, cooperate with police etc. It's the same old problem we have always had. You can't expect an innocent man to plead guilty, yet he still goes to jail for longer if he pleads innocent and is found guilty.

Bottom line is, people found guilty have to be treated as guilty, regardless of the flaws in the system.


Yeas....but this new crap (an added punishment way beyond what was until today) has been brought in despite the fact that these populist politicians know full well our system is flawed.


So your only valid objection is that this specific implementation of a very old principle is 'new'?


There is nothing 'old' about todays legislation in Qld.  This is a new impost on punishment.  You do understand it, don't you?
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Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Are you no longer objecting on principle Aussie? Just that things are changing too rapidly for you?
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Reply #19 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Are you no longer objecting on principle Aussie? Just that things are changing too rapidly for you?


I have not referred to any principle.  My point is simple.....how can an innocent man produce a body?

Maybe you can assist with an answer?
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Reply #20 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
Ah, back to the beginning are we. Shall we copy and past page 1 of the thread?

Do you also think it is unfair that an innocent person goes to jail if found guilty, even though they are actually innocent?

What other brilliant insights do you have for us?
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Reply #21 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Ah, back to the beginning are we. Shall we copy and past page 1 of the thread?


Do whatever you like.  Revert back to personal abuse as well if you think that advances your credibility.

How can an innocent man produce a body?
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Reply #22 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
If innocent people are found guilty, it is a miscarriage of justice, regardless of whether they can produce the body. You might as well insist it is wrong to jail guilty people in case they are innocent.

Which website did you order your law degree from?


Are you really that thick? 

How many links would you like me to put up establishing that our non-perfect system has convicted innocents of murder/manslaughter?  How can such an innocent make parole if they had nothing to do with the death?


We don't have justice; we have a justice system. Two totally different things.
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Reply #23 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:57am
 




Its all about Braddy Poos
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Reply #24 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:23am
 
@miketrees
That was an interesting video.
I can't believe the deputy commissioner removed from the case those "doubter" detectives.
Then it looks like the police department worked back from a supposed conclusion, and only evidence or theories that supported the pre-established conclusion were considered.
If experienced detectives have doubts, the community would expect those concerns addressed, not for the police hierarchy to simply move those detectives off the case.
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Reply #25 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:41am
 
Neferti wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
If innocent people are found guilty, it is a miscarriage of justice, regardless of whether they can produce the body. You might as well insist it is wrong to jail guilty people in case they are innocent.

Which website did you order your law degree from?



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Reply #26 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
Dream on...... do you have any idea how near impossible that is?


Not true.

The Appeals Courts do a roaring business reversing the decisions of the lower courts.

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Reply #27 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:46am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:15pm:
It's not meant to be easy.


There's no such thing as a free lunch either.
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Reply #28 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:36am
 
I dont understand why someone found guilty of killing someone  should get parole in the first place...

as it is  a life sentence in Qld is a joke 

sadly no system is perfect and never will be...

we also have many persons walking free because of our Beyond a reasonable doubt... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #29 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:09pm
 
Aussie do you also think it is unfair that an innocent person goes to jail if found guilty, even though they are actually innocent?

What other brilliant insights do you have for us?

If someone is found guilty of a theft they did not actually commit, and they had to return the money in order to get parole, would you only complain about the parole conditions and ignore the fact that an innocent man was found guilty? What do you think the real problem is - the incorrect verdict, or the parole condition that fails to take into account an incorrect verdict? Should the entire criminal justice system be geared towards treating convicted criminals as if they are actually innocent?
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