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Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost


Stigma is a mark of disgrace, a social discrediting, or a spoiled identity. For sex workers, legal, cultural and social discourse is characterised by “prurience, titillation, outrage and disgust”.

Narratives of sex work as undesirable and sex workers as disposable victims are heavily steeped in our cultural imagination.

We need only think of the differential media treatment of the murders of Jill Meagher and Tracy Connelly to learn that sex workers’ lives are deemed less valuable. Or the Courier Mail’s reporting on the horrific murder and dismembering of Mayang Prasyeto (ruled “offensive” and “gratuitous” by the Press Council), and Mia Freedman’s infamous comments on ABC’s Q&A that:

No little girl grows up wanting to be a sex worker, thank heavens.

Examining the individual and institutional treatment of sex workers reveals how sexuality is organised and stratified, and how certain kinds of intimacies are rewarded or punished. It exposes the ways in which the state “has a sexual agenda” and demands mechanisms for accountability and redress.

Systemic discrimination

Research has uncovered discrimination against sex workers in access to goods and services, housing and accommodation, employment opportunities and justice.

Sex workers report having their Airbnb accounts suspended, their PayPal accounts closed down, and being banned from advertising.

Both the Salvation Army and Family Protection Society have publicly apologised to sex workers for further stigmatising sex work in their fundraising campaigns.

Stigma is compounded for sex workers who work for survival, use illicit drugs, are trans or gender-diverse, Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, migrants or culturally and linguistically diverse, are parents, or work on the street. These communities experience disproportionate levels of policing, harassment and criminalisation.

Sex workers living with HIV have been incarcerated, despite no evidence they have transmitted HIV or engaged in unsafe practices.

Discrimination is not an isolated experience. A New Zealand teacher who posed for Australian Penthouse was deregistered. In the US, a woman was charged with conduct “unbecoming a teacher” for merely writing about her prior sex work experience.

Not only do anti-discrimination protections for sex workers remain inconsistent and inadequate, but in 2012, Queensland anti-discrimination legislation was amended to deliberately permit discrimination against sex workers in providing accommodation.

Legally complicit

Stigma manifests in policy and regulatory frameworks that criminalise or licence sex work, require sex workers to have mandatory medical testing or permanent registration on police or government databases, prohibit sex work from being visible from churches and hospitals, and local council policies that treat brothels as “outlaws”.

Stigma puts sex workers at risk. Criminal and licensing laws create opportunities for violence where sex workers have to choose between safety and legality.

Mere knowledge of someone’s sex work can be used against them by abusive partners, as blackmail or suggesting they are unfit parents in custody cases.

Stigma is socially isolating. It reduces the options for sex workers to turn to for support and is recognised as a critical barrier to accessing health care, human rights, and justice.

Global support for destigmatising sex work

Former UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon says discrimination against sex workers “must change”. And former Australian High Court judge Michael Kirby says human rights for sex workers are a matter of “public morality”. The UN Program on HIV/AIDS and the UN Population Fund insist upon universal rights and access to justice for sex workers.

Eliminating the negative impact of stigma and discrimination against sex workers remains an objective of Australia’s national strategies tackling HIV, viral hepatitis, and sexually transmitted infections. Protecting sex workers from discrimination falls within Australia’s international human rights obligations.

Despite this, there is no national system in place to assess and monitor experiences of stigma among sex workers in Australia. Without these mechanisms, we cannot effectively implement strategies to reduce stigma.

Stigma reduction

Reducing stigma requires not only legal and policy change, but cultural change.

There are obvious first steps: decriminalisation of sex work, anti-discrimination protections, and funding for peer-driven rights-based sex worker organisations. But these steps alone are not enough.

Researching and monitoring the prevalence, manifestations and implications of stigma is crucial to developing strategies to reduce its impact.

UNSW’s Centre for Social Research in Health in partnership with Scarlet Alliance, is currently conducting qualitative focus groups on sex work stigma in Australia. This pilot project will inform the future development of a national quantitative survey instrument that can be used annually to measure sex work stigma in Australia.

The development of national stigma indicators will allow for concrete targets to be set to reduce stigma. This data can be used as a foundation for stigma reduction interventions, such as media audit tools or regulatory guidelines.

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Emotional costs of stigma

Sex workers continue to mobilise, engage and fight against stigma. The hashtags #rightsnotrescue and #facesofprostitution are examples of the diverse human faces behind sex work.

But one of the most insidious consequences of stigma is its ability to curtail the capacity of sex workers to fight for basic human rights.

Both external and internalised stigma impacts the mental health and emotional resilience of sex workers to engage in advocacy, organising and activism. Stigma feels heavy. Stigma is exhausting. Stigma is grieving the death of another community member and friend.

The sheer weight of stigma is an intergenerational burden passed on and held by sex workers. The greatest travesty is that stigma directs sex workers’ energies to the reactive work of responding to sensationalist headlines or political expediency and diverts it from peer education, community building and world-making – the very generative work that allows us to survive and thrive.

https://theconversation.com/the-stigma-of-sex-work-comes-with-a-high-cost-79657
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
What do you do for a crust, Moths?
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm
 
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
What do you do for a crust, Moths?


If she's paid to make you look like an idiot, she won't have to work for much longer.

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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Greggy & Smithy -

there is no need to feel guilty about what you do.
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?
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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:53pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Greggy & Smithy -

there is no need to feel guilty about what you do.


I don't.

Do you?

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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:53pm:
Sir Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Greggy & Smithy -

there is no need to feel guilty about what you do.


I don't.

Do you?



Did you manage to find the nut juice you were looking for?  Perhaps a male sexworker could help you out.
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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm
 
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.

Liz divorced her wealthy Indian husband after a short time.
Got a huge pay-out.
The drained the gullible Shane Warne dry.
Didn't he chase her around like a lost puppy.
But hey, he deserved it - he's a sleaze.

So it is sad, when a woman (and even men) sell their bodies to support 'negative' influences in their lives.
But many do so out of choice.
Many Uni students do it to support themselves.
Personally, is getting a degree really worth that?
But many women are just sluts and get paid well for being so.

Of course - you have the USA version of the Media and we all know how 'sexually depraved and addicted' that is.

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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:45pm
 
JaSinner wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.



Mariah's more of an escort.

I don't think Packer ever had sex with her.

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Reply #11 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:50pm
 
JaSinner wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.

Liz divorced her wealthy Indian husband after a short time.
Got a huge pay-out.
The drained the gullible Shane Warne dry.
Didn't he chase her around like a lost puppy.
But hey, he deserved it - he's a sleaze.

So it is sad, when a woman (and even men) sell their bodies to support 'negative' influences in their lives.
But many do so out of choice.
Many Uni students do it to support themselves.
Personally, is getting a degree really worth that?
But many women are just sluts and get paid well for being so.

Of course - you have the USA version of the Media and we all know how 'sexually depraved and addicted' that is.



So, where is your emphasis? That the only things of value in those women is their ability to provide sexual services for men stupid enough to actually commit to marry them for it?..

..or that those men are so shallow that they are bought and sold by their dicks?
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Reply #12 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping
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Sir Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Greggy & Smithy -

there is no need to feel guilty about what you do.



trolling again booby? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?

And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

Also, increasing the numbers of counsellors and support workers .. instead of slashing every bloody agency like they've been doing.
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John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.
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Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?


i acknowledge that it usually pays better than most other jobs they'd be capable of doing  .... doesn't mean I have to like it.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

it won't stop the dependency that drugs create. ..... legalising alcohol hasn't meant people don't become alcoholics
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels
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Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?


i acknowledge that it usually pays better than most other jobs they'd be capable of doing  .... doesn't mean I have to like it.


I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.

For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respect.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

it won't stop the dependency that drugs create. ..... legalising alcohol hasn't meant people don't become alcoholics [/quote]


Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down.

But you're right, it wouldn't stop people being dependant on drugs. All you can do is make sure they have access to clean, safe drugs under medical supervision.

It would go a long way towards cleaning up all sorts of crime .. and many people would not need to be sex workers anymore.
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Reply #19 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
Prostitutes and Escorts don't need to 'be on the street' much anymore.
Most in Australia use 'online' sites.
Ever get that skanky (fake blonde hair, heaps of make-up, heaps of photos of herself) chick try to friend you on FaceBook. The only 'friends' she seems to have are blokes.
A lot of these women work for 'scammers' too. The Russians are the best at it, especially here in Australia.

For awhile, major Hotels were using Hookers via 'dating Agencies' to lure a guy in for sex. He would have to pay for the cost of the room of course. Probably still happens. I joined a 'major' Dating Agency many years ago - more out of bored curiousity (because I never really got 'actually involved'), there were many women I could tell, who were more than willing to 'milk my money' via avenues for sex.
I feel sorry for guys who get sucked into this. Sure, there were the 'sincere' women who were looking for long term love, etc.

I've also worked as a Nude Model. Sure, I did it for the money. But having a slight Art background. I enjoyed the challenge of providing for would be up and coming Artists.
Of course, there was the usual problem when one 'Director' is Gay and the stigma that all male nude models should be 'Gay'.  Roll Eyes
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John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels



Really - how do you know?
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Reply #21 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
JaSinner wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.



Mariah's more of an escort.

I don't think Packer ever had sex with her.


Why the bugger not?
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Reply #22 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping

Well, it's deeper than drugs,... drugs is obviously covering up the hurt from past abuse but yes they find themselves unable to give up the drugs because of their inability to shake the hurt. Obviously they never looked after their financial situation and then it's a slippery slope sometimes,.. yeh: sad.

Life can be very sad.

They deserve compassion but the basic story has so many layers it would take a professional to unpick it: part of professional help is the fact it is formal, meaning family and friends just can't really help sometimes.
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Reply #23 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?

And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

Also, increasing the numbers of counsellors and support workers .. instead of slashing every bloody agency like they've been doing.

Such problems/troubled lives usually involve both prescription and illegal drug worlds,... both are just as bad as the other especially when desperation comes into it!

These issues effect all families and we all know there is never enough services to deal with such desperate situations and it's hard to look at.

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Reply #24 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:37pm
 
They are not sex workers, they are prostitutes. There is no way you can make it any prettier by inventing terms that avoid its sordid  and demeaning nature.
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.


I don't have a problem with the women, I have a problem with the fact that they feel they have to do it. I've met hookers who love their jobs, regular nympho's. .... and I've met hookers who hated everything about it, even hated men .... but did it anyway.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respec


I couldn't agree more

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down


and still alcoholism costs us more, and creates more of societies problems, than any other drug

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Reply #26 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels



Really - how do you know?


Unlike you, I didn't hang out at gay bars when I was younger booby
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John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.


I don't have a problem with the women, I have a problem with the fact that they feel they have to do it. I've met hookers who love their jobs, regular nympho's. .... and I've met hookers who hated everything about it, even hated men .... but did it anyway.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respec


I couldn't agree more

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down


and still alcoholism costs us more, and creates more of societies problems, than any other drug



The ones I've met who are also part time models do it because they like the bling it buys them.
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I think sex workers are not supposed to donate blood.
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Yet another industry in peril from cheap Asian labour.
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freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
I think sex workers are not supposed to donate blood.


What is the comparison with alcohol problems and sex work?  I'm mystified..... are you saying that alcohol problems cost society more etc.. blah, blah, blah... what is the relevance of that in regard to sex workers and their self-image or whatever?

Shouldn't this be on another area of discussion...  WHY is it a matter of such mighty importance that sex workers have views on the work they choose to do?  WHY is that more important than countless other issues in society that are currently dragging it down, such as poverty, homelessness, shortage of work, lack of genuine EQUAL opportunity, discrimination, political correctness, multi-culturalism and so forth (including the 'demand' that puts on our nation to employ, via the commonwealth, those from those backgrounds, who then refine the term corruption and vice by breaching their oath of office to the commonwealth while operating as criminals within it??

Those girls can always leave the business.... get one of Joe's 'good jobs' etc....
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Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


It's all about choices, son - anyone can choose to be a junkie or a druggo or a prostitute or a drug dealer - MOST of us don't....

In my oft-stated view, only a total retard imbecile would use drugs by choice.... and taking that choice means you did it to yourself.... nobody else.

Personally I wouldn't touch any of that sh1t with a fifty foot pole....

Igor - pour me another beer.....
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Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.
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freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.
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freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.


I agree.. it is disgraceful that any woman should have to sell herself to make ends meet.. regardless of what I say about personal choices.

I have two grand-daughters, and I do not wish to see either of them headed down any of those paths of life - I expect that they will have genuine equal opportunities in a genuine society, and be able to make meaningful choices about their own lives and those with whom they choose to share them.  Same applies to the grandson, but I don't expect he will become a sex worker..... too smart....
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Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.
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I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


All the ones I know do it because of their drug addiction.

What's wrong with that?
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I think sex workers are not supposed to donate blood.


You're right. Nor is anyone who's had anal sex or used IV drugs.

There goes the old boy, eh?

Oh - and moi.
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Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Sydney was built on sex work, Mother. Most female convicts were.
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Karnal wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Sydney was built on sex work, Mother. Most female convicts were.



Much of the world has been, Kamahl.
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Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Watch that high moral ground - it's often very crumbly....
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Watch that high moral ground - it's often very crumbly....


I'm not on a high moral ground. I am precisely where a reasonable, observant, compassionate person is supposed to be.

Do you have doubts about the level of your own moral ground? I can understand why.
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Mothra - that is a particularly good topic you have risen.

I apologise for the comments other men have made, but not all us men are the same.

Yes, sex workers are generally female and are falsely heavily biased negatively by society.

(Here comes the abuse against me), A friend of mine used to use female sex workers and commented that they are excellent psychologists.

I would prefer it if you totally ignored the expected trolling comments.

We can have an adult conversation.
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:27pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:22pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Watch that high moral ground - it's often very crumbly....


I'm not on a high moral ground. I am precisely where a reasonable, observant, compassionate person is supposed to be.

Do you have doubts about the level of your own moral ground? I can understand why.



Now, now - I'm solid as a rock on my moral ground...... where any reasonable, observant, compassionate person IS...  you just can't read my words properly....

Where, for example, is there any lack of reason, observation, or compassion is saying that people make their own choices?  I'd rather have thought that was THE most focused approach to such issues as sex workers.....

I understand the rockiness of your moral ground... it is based on emotion and not on the things you espouse above as an implied criticism of any dissent....  you'll get there one day...
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:12pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
Pretty much most of what i'm reading in this thread beautifully demonstrates the points raised in the article of the OP.

If only you lot would have read it, you'd have some insight into just how awful you are being.


Sydney was built on sex work, Mother. Most female convicts were.



Much of the world has been, Kamahl.


Convict bricks by the lot, and sex in exchange for sugar, tea and rum. It's how this city was built.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:23am:
Mothra - that is a particularly good topic you have risen.

I apologise for the comments other men have made, but not all us men are the same.

Yes, sex workers are generally female and are falsely heavily biased negatively by society.

(Here comes the abuse against me), A friend of mine used to use female sex workers and commented that they are excellent psychologists.

I would prefer it if you totally ignored the expected trolling comments.

We can have an adult conversation.


I rather thought I was having that adult conversation............

Part of the reason for people becoming sex workers is the money involved... if you wish to trade off you standing in the community for filthy lucre.. that is your own choice.. but you should not complain about it....

The world is full of amateur psychologists..... they always know all the answers, which is why they are where they are.....  Huh
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Downe at Ye Olde Parent/Teacher Night:-

"Hi - I'm a CBA bank manager!"  (shunned)....

"Hi - I'm an advisor on WMD to John Howard!"  (shunned)

"Hi - I own shares in power companies and toll roads!"  (shunned)

"Hi - I'm a sex worker!"

"Oh, wow - you must have so many stories to tell the kids - let me introduce you around and you can sit down with them and tell them all about it... maybe you could give the girls a few pointers, too!  Your life must be sooo interesting.... how did you get into that business?"
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Downe at Ye Olde Parent/Teacher Night:-

"Hi - I'm a CBA bank manager!"  (shunned)....

"Hi - I'm an advisor on WMD to John Howard!"  (shunned)

"Hi - I own shares in power companies and toll roads!"  (shunned)

"Hi - I'm a sex worker!"

"Oh, wow - you must have so many stories to tell the kids - let me introduce you around and you can sit down with them and tell them all about it... maybe you could give the girls a few pointers, too!  Your life must be sooo interesting.... how did you get into that business?"



No one has mentioned that its the oldest profession?

It predates humans.

I forget which species of monkey it was but the females had more sex with the males that brought them food.

We cant win,,, its in our genes,,, well in and out of our genes.

I also remember a long time ago when they were legalising prostitution, one anti legalising person asked if they would have kids going to the legal brothel on work experience?

Some people got twisty little minds I tell ya!
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John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


I don't think you understand the sheer uncompromising slavery that drug-addition imposes on its victims. For years I've been calling for the Death Penalty for those who work in the illicit drugs industry ~ from the Mr. Bigs to the lowliest dealers on the streets who aren't addicts themselves.

If you've never been addicted to smoking or alcohol, then you have zero knowledge of what it's like to become a victim.

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Giving up smoking was the hardest thing I ever did. I remember walking a long way at 2.00am to buy a packet of cigarettes.

But I never kicked somebody’s door down to rob them, like some prick did to my shop. $600 just to replace the glass! The junky got maybe $10 in silver. He took my change tray with the silver out the tray, so there I was, 8.00 Saturday morning needing to find a bloody change tray to fit my till. Found a place open, bought the tray, put it in the till. Shot out to get a new silver float, come back to the shop at 9.05—and some bastard is grumpy because I was 5 minutes late. He could see the hole the junky had kicked in the glass door, glass all over the floor, grumpy because I opened at 9.05 instead of 9.00am!

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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
JaSinner wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.



Mariah's more of an escort.

I don't think Packer ever had sex with her.



It was reported that she told him quite explicitly ~ "No sex until the wedding night". Poor sucker had to wank off from the top deck of the luxury yacht into the waters off Monte Carlo or wherever for all the months he spent with her, and meanwhile the poor sap even bought her a 50 million dollar Engagement ring ...

When he finally got tired of jerkin' his gherkin' into the waters off all those Celebrity Holiday Destinations from the top deck of these luxury cruisers ~ that's when he called it "QUITS!" and crawled back to Australia looking like the biggest fool God ever put breath into.

She fleeced him like a lamb. 

Jimmy Packer's pecker spent long, lonely months on those cruise yachts while she teased him along about a Wedding Night that would be filled with bedroom firecrackers and rocketry.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


I don't think you understand the sheer uncompromising slavery that drug-addition imposes on its victims. For years I've been calling for the Death Penalty for those who work in the illicit drugs industry ~ from the Mr. Bigs to the lowliest dealers on the streets who aren't addicts themselves.

If you've never been addicted to smoking or alcohol, then you have zero knowledge of what it's like to become a victim.

It's not a moral problem, it's a medical problem. 



I pretty much agree with this.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:05am:
Giving up smoking was the hardest thing I ever did. I remember walking a long way at 2.00am to buy a packet of cigarettes.

But I never kicked somebody’s door down to rob them, like some prick did to my shop. $600 just to replace the glass! The junky got maybe $10 in silver. He took my change tray with the silver out the tray, so there I was, 8.00 Saturday morning needing to find a bloody change tray to fit my till. Found a place open, bought the tray, put it in the till. Shot out to get a new silver float, come back to the shop at 9.05—and some bastard is grumpy because I was 5 minutes late. He could see the hole the junky had kicked in the glass door, glass all over the floor, grumpy because I opened at 9.05 instead of 9.00am!

Addiction sucks and not just for the addict.



I have heard that cigarettes is the hardest habit to give up.

Harder than heroin.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


I don't think you understand the sheer uncompromising slavery that drug-addition imposes on its victims. For years I've been calling for the Death Penalty for those who work in the illicit drugs industry ~ from the Mr. Bigs to the lowliest dealers on the streets who aren't addicts themselves.

If you've never been addicted to smoking or alcohol, then you have zero knowledge of what it's like to become a victim.

It's not a moral problem, it's a medical problem. 



of course not herb .... this is another area of expertise that you have zero experience in Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
that's why you know better than everyone else. Just like you're expertise with women and children. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I have heard that cigarettes is the hardest habit to give up.


I think if you really want to give them up, it's fairly easy ....... it's when you try to give them up for other reasons that it gets difficult.
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When I found the motivation it was pretty easy. Many long years trying to give up tho.
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the phenomenom of stigmatising women who work in the sex industry falls into the frame of what i call "slut-shaming".

again, this phenomenom needs to be seen for what it is.

the beta male, the pathetic little puke, fat steve sitting on the couch with his fat wife has to maintain "state".

he cant acknowledge that he is a pathetic puke and he has a fat wife and they dont have good sex.

he and his fat wife (lets call her fat jenny) could hit the gym, eat good food, stop whining and complaining to each other and become awesome lovers.
but this would require a lot of "work " and "effort" and fat steve and fat jenny dont like that idea.

so how can these two scrubs feel good about themselves when they see a woman who is very sexually active, not conforming to "group think", is taking massive action, is courageous, not seeking approval and is living life on "her" terms.

they shame her.

group think and modern social conditioning call on all the scrubs and lazy layabouts to shame those who stray from the herd.

what the sex worker needs to do is use their failed lives and mediocre existences as a "cuationary tale".

she needs to "draw state from within", be "grounded in her own life", basicly not give a f*ck and then continue towards her north star.

women who find a champ of a man to be with , can be very sexual and dont need to "wear the pants" and "man up".
But there are so few "real men" and so many "fat steves" that women are forced to take control of their own lives and their own sexuality and this is totally the fault of fat steve and his fat co dependant wife.

those at the bottom of the pyramid, who hate their mediocre lives will always hate on success.
because there are so many of them (most people are failures), the social narrative will always hate on a woman in such an industry.

the fact they hate you, usually means you are doing something right  Wink
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When I found the motivation it was pretty easy. Many long years trying to give up tho.


Oh hell no. I didn't have 'many long years trying to give up'.

I had many long years of enjoying every cigarette I smoked. I gave up in sympathy when my brother was told he either give up smoking or lose a leg to poor circulation.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:08am:
When I found the motivation it was pretty easy. Many long years trying to give up tho.


Oh hell no. I didn't have 'many long years trying to give up'.

I had many long years of enjoying every cigarette I smoked. I gave up in sympathy when my brother was told he either give up smoking or lose a leg to poor circulation.


You enjoyed every cigarette?

That you could give up in sympathy with your brother is remarkable.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 7:56am:
I have heard that cigarettes is the hardest habit to give up.


I think if you really want to give them up, it's fairly easy ....... it's when you try to give them up for other reasons that it gets difficult.


They were always known as a "working man's pleasure' when they were dirt cheap and there were no restrictions on where you could smoke.





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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:08am:
When I found the motivation it was pretty easy. Many long years trying to give up tho.


Oh hell no. I didn't have 'many long years trying to give up'.

I had many long years of enjoying every cigarette I smoked. I gave up in sympathy when my brother was told he either give up smoking or lose a leg to poor circulation.


You enjoyed every cigarette?

That you could give up in sympathy with your brother is remarkable.


You're not wrong.

His wife was a very heavy smoker too, and she and I would sit in their lounge-room smoking to burn the house down while he would sit there looking miserable and dejected and no longer relevant. A week later I tossed the smoking ... and within a couple of more weeks she gave up smoking too after not believing that I had stopped smoking.

My brother was a lot happier after that. He felt he had became part of us again.

Eventually he died of cancer, not from his smoking days, but because the ethanol in his occasional beers stimulated cancer in his gums. I was told that by his treating oncologist ...

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Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:08am:
When I found the motivation it was pretty easy. Many long years trying to give up tho.


Oh hell no. I didn't have 'many long years trying to give up'.

I had many long years of enjoying every cigarette I smoked. I gave up in sympathy when my brother was told he either give up smoking or lose a leg to poor circulation.



Good on you, that would have made a big difference for him
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aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:23am:
the phenomenom of stigmatising women who work in the sex industry falls into the frame of what i call "slut-shaming".

again, this phenomenom needs to be seen for what it is.

the beta male, the pathetic little puke, fat steve sitting on the couch with his fat wife has to maintain "state".

he cant acknowledge that he is a pathetic puke and he has a fat wife and they dont have good sex.

he and his fat wife (lets call her fat jenny) could hit the gym, eat good food, stop whining and complaining to each other and become awesome lovers.
but this would require a lot of "work " and "effort" and fat steve and fat jenny dont like that idea.

so how can these two scrubs feel good about themselves when they see a woman who is very sexually active, not conforming to "group think", is taking massive action, is courageous, not seeking approval and is living life on "her" terms.

they shame her.

group think and modern social conditioning call on all the scrubs and lazy layabouts to shame those who stray from the herd.

what the sex worker needs to do is use their failed lives and mediocre existences as a "cuationary tale".

she needs to "draw state from within", be "grounded in her own life", basicly not give a f*ck and then continue towards her north star.

women who find a champ of a man to be with , can be very sexual and dont need to "wear the pants" and "man up".
But there are so few "real men" and so many "fat steves" that women are forced to take control of their own lives and their own sexuality and this is totally the fault of fat steve and his fat co dependant wife.

those at the bottom of the pyramid, who hate their mediocre lives will always hate on success.
because there are so many of them (most people are failures), the social narrative will always hate on a woman in such an industry.

the fact they hate you, usually means you are doing something right  Wink



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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.


I agree.. it is disgraceful that any woman should have to sell herself to make ends meet.. regardless of what I say about personal choices.

I have two grand-daughters, and I do not wish to see either of them headed down any of those paths of life - I expect that they will have genuine equal opportunities in a genuine society, and be able to make meaningful choices about their own lives and those with whom they choose to share them.  Same applies to the grandson, but I don't expect he will become a sex worker..... too smart....


What if they wanted to, not out of necessity, but because of the bucketloads of money they stood to make?

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value? [/quote]

Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?
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freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:53pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.


I agree.. it is disgraceful that any woman should have to sell herself to make ends meet.. regardless of what I say about personal choices.

I have two grand-daughters, and I do not wish to see either of them headed down any of those paths of life - I expect that they will have genuine equal opportunities in a genuine society, and be able to make meaningful choices about their own lives and those with whom they choose to share them.  Same applies to the grandson, but I don't expect he will become a sex worker..... too smart....


What if they wanted to, not out of necessity, but because of the bucketloads of money they stood to make?

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


I would hope they would make their buckets of money doing things of long-lasting value to humanity, like science or medicine or similar, even making movies like their granny and their auntie do.... and I would hope that the family genes and social values would mean they would find a far better path in life.
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mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?
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There is no equation between treating people with due respect and decency and protecting them under law.  In theory all are gien respect accorded their station in life and their personal choices, and are equally protected under law, but sometimes a personal lifestyle choice carries with it additional hazards that can not be prevented by the mere presence of Law in being.  You cannot expect a cop on every corner of a brothel.... not going to work... and the only real response is in deterrence against offenders, which occurs.

It's not as if sex workers are refused police assistance if assaulted - though one does wonder if their chosen occupation, a bit like Muslims, says that they are reluctant to actually ask and expect, or that their 'operators' often refuse to request police assistance as a matter of 'principle', for their own murky ends of control and personal self-protection from police intrusion and investigation.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?


There is no equation between treating people with due respect and decency and protecting them under law.  In theory all are gien respect accorded their station in life and their personal choices, and are equally protected under law, but sometimes a personal lifestyle choice carries with it additional hazards that can not be prevented by the mere presence of Law in being.  You cannot expect a cop on every corner of a brothel.... not going to work... and the only real response is in deterrence against offenders, which occurs.

It's not as if sex workers are refused police assistance if assaulted - though one does wonder if their chosen occupation, a bit like Muslims, says that they are reluctant to actually ask and expect, or that their 'operators' often refuse to request police assistance as a matter of 'principle', for their own murky ends of control and personal self-protection from police intrusion and investigation.
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Didn't read the article again, did you.
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It's okay, i know the drill. You don't need to read it because you know everything about it already. Yet you will continue, as long as you are indulged, to demonstrate that the converse is true.

We've been here before, Grap.
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?


Who said anything about one moral being more important than another? I asked you whether it was fair. If people think it is immoral to have sex with someone for money, is it unfair for them to pass moral judgement on someone who does?

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?
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mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
It's okay, i know the drill. You don't need to read it because you know everything about it already. Yet you will continue, as long as you are indulged, to demonstrate that the converse is true.

We've been here before, Grap.



Not my problem that some can't see the differences laid out so clearly for them....
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freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?


Who said anything about one moral being more important than another? I asked you whether it was fair. If people think it is immoral to have sex with someone for money, is it unfair for them to pass moral judgement on someone who does?

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?


Sweden fined men for paying for sex, but not women for accepting payment for it... is that where mothra wants us to go?  All men are filthy rapist beasts and women who do sex are not.... that'd go over a treat in the Hunting Grounds..... sexual equality be damned.... women are still victims no matter which way you roll the pork...

Good work if you can get it....  Cool
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Ye Grappler wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
It's okay, i know the drill. You don't need to read it because you know everything about it already. Yet you will continue, as long as you are indulged, to demonstrate that the converse is true.

We've been here before, Grap.



Not my problem that some can't see the differences laid out so clearly for them....


So you did read it? Why are you so wrong about everything then?
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freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
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mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:34pm:
Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?


Who said anything about one moral being more important than another? I asked you whether it was fair. If people think it is immoral to have sex with someone for money, is it unfair for them to pass moral judgement on someone who does?

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?


Sweden fined men for paying for sex, but not women for accepting payment for it... is that where mothra wants us to go?  All men are filthy rapist beasts and women who do sex are not.... that'd go over a treat in the Hunting Grounds..... sexual equality be damned.... women are still victims no matter which way you roll the pork...

Good work if you can get it....  Cool



Why must you obsessively make absolutely everything about gender?

And do so ridiculously?
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Mothra do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?
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I feel sorry for the losers who have such miserable lives they need to pay for sex
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Mothra do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?



What use are anybody's morals to this discussion? What relevance are they?

Why must you morally approve of something someone does to treat them with dignity and respect and impartially protected by the law?

What the hell is it to you what someone else does with their body?
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This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?
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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?
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Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Do they have a stigma of immorality?
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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?


Stigma is more an antonym of moral.

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Setanta wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 10:36pm:
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freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 10:12pm:
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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?


Stigma is more an antonym of moral.



At least it is of ethical .. which i'm considerably more interested in than morality.
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A vast amount of relationships and marriages are based on the fact that the woman married the man because he has 'money' (more money than the other suitors).
Other women marry the man because he is physically superior to the other suitors.
"She only married me for my money" many a man has said.
But he doesn't deny that he gets the sexual benefit in return.
Money maketh many a Man and that's what he uses to get his women.

50 Shades of Grey is considered 'popular' because he is 'wealthy', but if he was poor and trailer park trash - he would be seen as a deviant.

So paying for sex, where sometimes the woman gets more money than the man gets sex...
...well, it's just 50 shades shallower than other forms of relationship/interaction.

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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?


Stigma is more an antonym of moral.



At least it is of ethical .. which i'm considerably more interested in than morality.


I tend to the word "ethical" but so often they are too close to distinguish. I'm not sure it makes a difference. I guess "moral" is just more a word owned by religion.

edit: I see ethics as the personal, morals seems more a tribal/goup thing.
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Reply #85 - Aug 11th, 2017 at 11:01pm
 
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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?


Stigma is more an antonym of moral.



At least it is of ethical .. which i'm considerably more interested in than morality.


I tend to the word "ethical" but so often they are too close to distinguish. I'm not sure it makes a difference. I guess "moral" is just more a word owned by religion.

edit: I see ethics as the personal, morals seems more a tribal/goup thing.


Sure there's some overlap but i'm pretty reconciled with my interpretation of the distinctions between the two.
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1/ Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?

2/ Do they have a stigma of immorality?



1/ No. Both parties must have the same 'morality'.

2/ Yes, they do have the stigma of immorality.

One guy I knew went to a 'lady of the night' while he was having a messy divorce.
He was not ready for a 'relationship' but wanted to feel loved.

That was not immoral.
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Sex workers are really damaged goods both emotionally and physically.

The job makes them numb to life and all its emotions.
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Dont like the stigma, then dont do it. The reason they do it is easy money.
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Why are users of prostitutes so universally stigmatised?
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Sex workers are really damaged goods both emotionally and physically.

The job makes them numb to life and all its emotions.



They certainly can be ... but not all are. Not by a long shot.
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Dont like the stigma, then dont do it. The reason they do it is easy money.



Easy? Surely you jest?
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Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
Why are users of prostitutes so universally stigmatised?



hhhmmm, maybe people think they are 'unable' to form a traditional relationship ?
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mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Dont like the stigma, then dont do it. The reason they do it is easy money.



Easy? Surely you jest?
Yet another subject you know little about but pretend knowledge. Speak to these pros as I have many of them (and no, not as a customer) , they do it primarily for the money which they could not make in a normal job. Thats just the facts.  I dont look down on these women (and men), they perform a valuable service as far as I am concerned but thinking that they are somehow forced into it through circumstances is absolute nonsense.
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Marriage has a lot in common with prostitution.

Men are exploited in both.

Money is exchanged for sex.

Prostitution is just a bit more honest than marriage.

I think the women that are anti prostitution are unhappy that the sex workers are under cutting the non sex workers.

Makes me wonder if we should have a daily report on the value of sex,,, like we do with gold ,oil, the A$
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Reply #96 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm
 
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Marriage has a lot in common with prostitution.

Men are exploited in both.

Money is exchanged for sex.

Prostitution is just a bit more honest than marriage.

I think the women that are anti prostitution are unhappy that the sex workers are under cutting the non sex workers.

Makes me wonder if we should have a daily report on the value of sex,,, like we do with gold ,oil, the A$


Paul McCartney got done for  $50m for 4 years.
A very good case for just using high class hookers.

I suspect he could even have afforded a bipedal one Wink
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Rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:18pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Dont like the stigma, then dont do it. The reason they do it is easy money.



Easy? Surely you jest?
Yet another subject you know little about but pretend knowledge. Speak to these pros as I have many of them (and no, not as a customer) , they do it primarily for the money which they could not make in a normal job. Thats just the facts.  I dont look down on these women (and men), they perform a valuable service as far as I am concerned but thinking that they are somehow forced into it through circumstances is absolute nonsense.



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mothra wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 1:52pm:
Rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Dont like the stigma, then dont do it. The reason they do it is easy money.



Easy? Surely you jest?
Yet another subject you know little about but pretend knowledge. Speak to these pros as I have many of them (and no, not as a customer) , they do it primarily for the money which they could not make in a normal job. Thats just the facts.  I dont look down on these women (and men), they perform a valuable service as far as I am concerned but thinking that they are somehow forced into it through circumstances is absolute nonsense.



nice to have some mature comments



Are you kidding Sprint? Rhino just stigmatised sex workers by saying they all get money in excess of what they could warn in a "normal" job ... easily.

He knows stuff because he's spoken to some sex workers before so can quite confidently speak for all of them.

Anyway, aside from this being a load of utter bollocks, it doesn't address the question i actually asked him .. which was to qualify what he meant about it being "easy" work.
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What use are anybody's morals to this discussion?


This discussion is all about morals. Your morals. You speaking down to everyone about the negative thoughts they have about whores.

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money? Are you so afraid of your own moral values that you would publicly disown them lest they offend prostitutes?



Morals is synonymous with stigma now?

Please explain?


Stigma is more an antonym of moral.



At least it is of ethical .. which i'm considerably more interested in than morality.


I tend to the word "ethical" but so often they are too close to distinguish. I'm not sure it makes a difference. I guess "moral" is just more a word owned by religion.

edit: I see ethics as the personal, morals seems more a tribal/goup thing.


Sure there's some overlap but i'm pretty reconciled with my interpretation of the distinctions between the two.


Do you think it is ethical to have sex with people for money?

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Are you kidding Sprint? Rhino just stigmatised sex workers by saying they all get money in excess of what they could warn in a "normal" job ... easily.


Why else do you think they do it? The flexible hours? The interesting people they meat?
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Define 'ethics' and whose you are relying upon.
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Reply #103 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:14pm
 
It's the oldest profession in the world.

Outside drug addiction ... it's a career of choice for those who do it professionally.

There are many many women who by their nature & actions are no more than gold digging prostitutes.

My old man always thought that Sonia McMahon fitted that bill .....

and Susan Peacock,Sangster, Renouf wasn't far behind.

She even wrote a book ... How to make a $million with only one tnuc working for you.  Grin

There are many high profile socialites you might hang that descriptor on. Rose Hancock comes to mind.

Some younger women also operate in similar fashion.

Any woman that goes on the "game" or is involved in the porn industry knows full well there would be a stigma attached if it were to become publicly known.
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mothra wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 8:56pm:
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Also, people tend to assume women have lower moral standards just because they choose to have sex for money. This is very unfair. They get less respect than someone who flips burgers at Maccas.



Yes. It is. And equally unfair for the male sex workers. And the trans ones.


Are there any criticisms of the moral standards of whores that you consider fair? Or are we to treat all career decisions as being of equal value?


Why are your moral standards and value assessments more important than treating people with basic decency and respect and protecting them by law?


Who said anything about one moral being more important than another? I asked you whether it was fair. If people think it is immoral to have sex with someone for money, is it unfair for them to pass moral judgement on someone who does?

Do you think it is immoral to have sex with people for money?


Sweden fined men for paying for sex, but not women for accepting payment for it... is that where mothra wants us to go?  All men are filthy rapist beasts and women who do sex are not.... that'd go over a treat in the Hunting Grounds..... sexual equality be damned.... women are still victims no matter which way you roll the pork...

Good work if you can get it....  Cool



Why must you obsessively make absolutely everything about gender?

And do so ridiculously?


You do  Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
I feel sorry for the losers who have such miserable lives they need to pay for sex


Do the normal things Gordon

dating
engagement
marriage
mortgage home
divorce

You are always paying.
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It's the oldest profession in the world.

Outside drug addiction ... it's a career of choice for those who do it professionally.

There are many many women who by their nature & actions are no more than gold digging prostitutes.

My old man always thought that Sonia McMahon fitted that bill .....

and Susan Peacock,Sangster, Renouf wasn't far behind.

She even wrote a book ... How to make a $million with only one tnuc working for you.  Grin

There are many high profile socialites you might hang that descriptor on. Rose Hancock comes to mind.

Some younger women also operate in similar fashion.

Any woman that goes on the "game" or is involved in the porn industry knows full well there would be a stigma attached if it were to become publicly known
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Perzactly Gonads


I had a girlfriend when I was about 20,, she was one of those private school Perth Western suburbs types

She knew all the wealthy families, all the eligible males, how much money they had, holiday homes the works.

She obviously did not stay with me very long!

I was quite shocked, but it seems all of her private school chums were the same.


She ended up marrying a rich bloke that turned out to be gay.
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Reply #107 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:35pm
 
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It's the oldest profession in the world.

Outside drug addiction ... it's a career of choice for those who do it professionally.

There are many many women who by their nature & actions are no more than gold digging prostitutes.

My old man always thought that Sonia McMahon fitted that bill .....

and Susan Peacock,Sangster, Renouf wasn't far behind.

She even wrote a book ... How to make a $million with only one tnuc working for you.  Grin

There are many high profile socialites you might hang that descriptor on. Rose Hancock comes to mind.

Some younger women also operate in similar fashion.

Any woman that goes on the "game" or is involved in the porn industry knows full well there would be a stigma attached if it were to become publicly known
.


Perzactly Gonads


I had a girlfriend when I was about 20,, she was one of those private school Perth Western suburbs types

She knew all the wealthy families, all the eligible males, how much money they had, holiday homes the works.

She obviously did not stay with me very long!

I was quite shocked, but it seems all of her private school chums were the same.


She ended up marrying a rich bloke that turned out to be gay.



That was either justice or she knew & didn't care as long as the money & high social profile was there.
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Poor thing, I google searched her name a decade ago (as you do), she was on a dating site
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I feel sorry for the losers who have such miserable lives they need to pay for sex



you always pay for sex ... the only question is how much. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Then stay away from sex work......
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