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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.
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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:04pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?


i acknowledge that it usually pays better than most other jobs they'd be capable of doing  .... doesn't mean I have to like it.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

it won't stop the dependency that drugs create. ..... legalising alcohol hasn't meant people don't become alcoholics
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels
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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?


i acknowledge that it usually pays better than most other jobs they'd be capable of doing  .... doesn't mean I have to like it.


I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.

For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respect.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

it won't stop the dependency that drugs create. ..... legalising alcohol hasn't meant people don't become alcoholics [/quote]


Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down.

But you're right, it wouldn't stop people being dependant on drugs. All you can do is make sure they have access to clean, safe drugs under medical supervision.

It would go a long way towards cleaning up all sorts of crime .. and many people would not need to be sex workers anymore.
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Reply #19 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
Prostitutes and Escorts don't need to 'be on the street' much anymore.
Most in Australia use 'online' sites.
Ever get that skanky (fake blonde hair, heaps of make-up, heaps of photos of herself) chick try to friend you on FaceBook. The only 'friends' she seems to have are blokes.
A lot of these women work for 'scammers' too. The Russians are the best at it, especially here in Australia.

For awhile, major Hotels were using Hookers via 'dating Agencies' to lure a guy in for sex. He would have to pay for the cost of the room of course. Probably still happens. I joined a 'major' Dating Agency many years ago - more out of bored curiousity (because I never really got 'actually involved'), there were many women I could tell, who were more than willing to 'milk my money' via avenues for sex.
I feel sorry for guys who get sucked into this. Sure, there were the 'sincere' women who were looking for long term love, etc.

I've also worked as a Nude Model. Sure, I did it for the money. But having a slight Art background. I enjoyed the challenge of providing for would be up and coming Artists.
Of course, there was the usual problem when one 'Director' is Gay and the stigma that all male nude models should be 'Gay'.  Roll Eyes
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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #20 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels



Really - how do you know?
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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #21 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
.JaSin. wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think Liz Hurley and Mariah Carey are prostitutes.

They obviously only date men 'for the money'.



Mariah's more of an escort.

I don't think Packer ever had sex with her.


Why the bugger not?
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Reply #22 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping

Well, it's deeper than drugs,... drugs is obviously covering up the hurt from past abuse but yes they find themselves unable to give up the drugs because of their inability to shake the hurt. Obviously they never looked after their financial situation and then it's a slippery slope sometimes,.. yeh: sad.

Life can be very sad.

They deserve compassion but the basic story has so many layers it would take a professional to unpick it: part of professional help is the fact it is formal, meaning family and friends just can't really help sometimes.
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Reply #23 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


Yeah but how else are they going to get the money for their drugs?

And a way of addressing it would be to legalise drugs and treat addiction as a medical issue.

Also, increasing the numbers of counsellors and support workers .. instead of slashing every bloody agency like they've been doing.

Such problems/troubled lives usually involve both prescription and illegal drug worlds,... both are just as bad as the other especially when desperation comes into it!

These issues effect all families and we all know there is never enough services to deal with such desperate situations and it's hard to look at.

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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #24 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 5:37pm
 
They are not sex workers, they are prostitutes. There is no way you can make it any prettier by inventing terms that avoid its sordid  and demeaning nature.
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Reply #25 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:45pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.


I don't have a problem with the women, I have a problem with the fact that they feel they have to do it. I've met hookers who love their jobs, regular nympho's. .... and I've met hookers who hated everything about it, even hated men .... but did it anyway.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respec


I couldn't agree more

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down


and still alcoholism costs us more, and creates more of societies problems, than any other drug

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Reply #26 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
Sir Bobby wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
I don't have a problem with those that do it because they want to, at least they're out their trying to get ahead  .... my only problem is the ones who do it because of drug addiction


What's your problem there? And how would you like to see it addressed?


my problem is that they're not doing it out of their own choosing. It's their craving for the drugs, or the drug pusher, who is making them do it. If you ask would they do it if not for drugs, and the answer is no, they shouldn't be doing it ever.

See it addressed? I'm not sure it can be. I don't see the drug problem ever stopping


You're image of junkie street hookers seems outdated.  There are almost no sexworkers visable on the streets in Sydney anymore, even in the Cross.


maybe ... but there are plenty of junkies working off the streets and in brothels



Really - how do you know?


Unlike you, I didn't hang out at gay bars when I was younger booby
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Re: The stigma of sex work comes with a high cost
Reply #27 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
I don't think anybody likes it. It's just you said you had a problem with it.


I don't have a problem with the women, I have a problem with the fact that they feel they have to do it. I've met hookers who love their jobs, regular nympho's. .... and I've met hookers who hated everything about it, even hated men .... but did it anyway.

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
For what it's worth, i don't idealise any sex work and certainly wouldn't want my daughter to get into it but i fully believe it should be legal, protected by law and the workers treated with dignity and respec


I couldn't agree more

mothra wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 4:10pm:
Well, interestingly, in places where it has been legalised and treated medically, usage has gone down


and still alcoholism costs us more, and creates more of societies problems, than any other drug



The ones I've met who are also part time models do it because they like the bling it buys them.
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Reply #28 - Aug 10th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
I think sex workers are not supposed to donate blood.
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Yet another industry in peril from cheap Asian labour.
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