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Reply #15 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 12:19am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

This happened in Australia.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/good-weekend/life-in-prison-whats-it-really-like...

This story caused a book to be written by his wife:
In Sickness, In Health … and In Jail,

by Mel Jacob (Allen and Unwin, $30) is released on August 24.

http://www.booktopia.com.au/http_coversbooktopiacomau/600/9781925267310/in-sickn...

Story about Patrick Jacob .

A suburban dad’s poor decisions lead him to jail. How does his incredulous wife – and mother to his two children – adjust to the stiff sentence?

In his spare time in the years that followed, he started to sell things online – secondhand Apple computers he had restored, kids' kites and, eventually, camping, hunting and archery equipment. By 2010, he had opened Combat Australia, a retail outlet with a strong online business.

Late in 2010, a new customer, a man called Alex, who said he was from Adelaide, started to spend money with Combat. One day, Alex asked Patrick if he could get him a crossbow, a powerful mechanised bow that is legal in most states, including South Australia, but illegal in NSW unless it remains unassembled. Patrick had interstate clients to whom he occasionally sold crossbow arrows, "So I thought, 'You know what, I'll bring in four crossbows.' "

He thought he might "muck around with them", do some target shooting on friends' farms interstate. "If I store them in NSW I'm sure no one's going to be fussed," he said to himself.

Meanwhile, Alex was hassling him. Please, he asked Patrick, can you assemble my crossbow? "We're friends now, you know me, I'll have problems doing it."

Alex was an undercover police officer. In early 2011, police raids on the Jacobs' home and business also uncovered a slingshot (which are illegal in NSW but can be used in some states) and an unlicensed rifle: Patrick says he was "just slack" in getting around to registering it.

After Patrick was sentenced on charges of possessing and selling prohibited weapons – a crossbow, slingshot and an unlicensed rifle – he collapsed.

That is how Ruby Ridge started, he is lucky he is only going to jail for a short time and his family is safe from a government attack. These Laws don't appear to have anything to do with Public Safety and are completely unfair.

Sling shots are regulated? Do they have a length restriction on Steak Knives? Who are they trying to protect? I did a google search and couldn't find any deaths related to Sling Shots or Crossbows although both are capable of being lethal.

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95298 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle. Reply #16 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm: I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated So am I. I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.
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Reply #17 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

In have a hand spear and a smal gun, don't use it muchbut I can walk around with it without a prob.

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Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle.
Reply #18 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:39pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

I have a hand spear and a small gun, don't use it much but I can walk around with it without a prob.

I wouldn't advise you to walk around the street with a spear gun.

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Reply #19 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

I have a hand spear and a small gun, don't use it much but I can walk around with it without a prob.

I wouldn't advise you to walk around the street with a spear gun.

If you're dressed for the beach and near the beach no prob

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Reply #20 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:49pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

I have a hand spear and a small gun, don't use it much but I can walk around with it without a prob.

I wouldn't advise you to walk around the street with a spear gun.

If you're dressed for the beach and near the beach no prob

But these days they could think you were a beach terrorist.

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Reply #21 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 9:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:39pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

I have a hand spear and a small gun, don't use it much but I can walk around with it without a prob.

I wouldn't advise you to walk around the street with a spear gun.

If you're dressed for the beach and near the beach no prob

But these days they could think you were a beach terrorist.

I have speared a luderick. Do you know what they used to be called?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95298 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle. Reply #22 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 9:08pm Parore
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20228 Gordon Gender:	Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle. Reply #23 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 9:13pm luderick (plural ludericks) The fish Girella tricuspidata. Synonyms Edit (the fish Girella tricuspidata): blackfish, darkie, black person, rockperch, sweep
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95298 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle. Reply #24 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 9:14pm Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 9:13pm: luderick (plural ludericks) The fish Girella tricuspidata. Synonyms Edit (the fish Girella tricuspidata): blackfish, darkie, black person, rockperch, sweep It looks like another version of a snapper.
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Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle.
Reply #25 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

I'm just amazed spear guns are totally unregulated

So am I.
I asked our resident spear fisher man - FD to comment, but he didn't.

In have a hand spear and a small gun,

Why do you tease Booby like that?

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Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle.
Reply #26 - Jul 30^th, 2017 at 11:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 12:19am:

That is how Ruby Ridge started, he is lucky he is only going to jail for a short time and his family is safe from a government attack. These Laws don't appear to have anything to do with Public Safety and are completely unfair.

Sling shots are regulated? Do they have a length restriction on Steak Knives? Who are they trying to protect? I did a google search and couldn't find any deaths related to Sling Shots or
Crossbows although both are capable of being lethal.

The law was too severe on this poor family man.

Perhaps he can seek redemption by becoming a disciple of the fiend IQS.RLOW like denizen Bobby has.

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Re: 2 years jail over a crossbow & a rifle.
Reply #27 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 8:15am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Meanwhile Muslims rapists get less jail time

Gee wiz - the law is very tough on crossbows.
When I was a kid we used to make crossbows
& slingshots.

Police want to be the only one armed so they can shoot mentally disturbed kids in a flower shop.

Who knows?

When I was a kid you could buy crossbows in the shop or make one yourself.
Forgetting to register a firearm would not have put you in jail.

The laws are incredibly strict now - are they too strict?

Should police be allowed to encourage & entrap people?

'The power of government is abused and directed to an end for which it is not constituted when employed to promote rather than to detect crime and to bring about the downfall of those who, left to themselves, might well have obeyed the law. Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime'.

- Justice Felix Frankfurter, US Supreme Court.

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Reply #29 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 7:10pm

It wasn't good watching kids as young as 10 years of age, walk around with spearguns during the holiday periods.
Of course, they are all probably 'holidayers' who don't spear often - just on holidays
Only an Adult is allowed to purchase a SpearGun.
Anyone under 12 years of age must be accompanied/supervised by an adult.
Which was not seen. Adults were on shore having a beer.

Kids - when they go spearing. Just shoot at anything whenever possible. Especially if their need to squeeze as many hits on fish as they can fit into their holiday period. Unlike a local who can spear all year round.

Kids and teenagers walking the spearguns around 'un-capped'.

All n' all - not a very 'responsible' scene for spearos, especially those who are trying their best to make it a professional and respected aspect of both Sport (killing fish for a trophy isn't really respectable Roll Eyes

) and Food attainment.

Spearfishing is a great alternative to Fishing (surface) as it is selective, more of a challenge for the human condition and can achieve better conservational results.

But letting kids and un-educated teenagers go 'bang bang' on holidays is not a good thing. Tongue

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