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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: This is not a joke, but it is sad & pathetic Reply #15 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:06am Link. Bugger. Paywall. It was this week.....he made comments reported in the Courier Mail about if there was a change in Government, the people smugglers will be lining up. Political stuff he ought to have never got involved in.
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Reply #16 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:21am

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:06am:

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Bugger. Paywall. It was this week.....he made comments reported in the Courier Mail about if there was a change in Government, the people smugglers will be lining up. Political stuff he ought to have never got involved in.

I have served under weak leaders like Peter Gration and Dave Evans who said nothing and let the government of the sh1t all over the troops,, so Im always happy when one of those Canberra types stands up and give a political party or parliamentarians a spray.

Fortunately there are a lot less weak leaders (for the time being) than there used to be and while they will protect their troops as they should, sometimes they will belt some useless pollie while they are at it.

Australia will survive and the ADF will be a lot better off as well

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: This is not a joke, but it is sad & pathetic Reply #17 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:44am I don't care into whose ear he blasts, but while he is a serving Member of the ADF....he does not make editorial comments to the schmedia. If a subordinate of his started mouthing off like he did (or at all for that matter) to the schmedia, he'd go apeshit.
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Reply #18 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:40pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 5:40pm:

The social engineering continues, the one organisation whose job it is to kill people has now decided they need to be less 'authoritarian, assertive and angry'.

Even the journos think it is a farce by likening the Australian Army to an episode of Utopia. It would be fkken hilarious if it wasn't so fkked up.

Well with an issue of brand new combat vaginas they will be the belles of any inter-service Dinning in Night. Grin

THE Australian Army is hiring private “executive coaches” to teach its senior officers “self-awareness”, “emotional intelligence”, “cross-cultural competence” and “interpersonal maturity” in an effort to combat perceptions that they are too “authoritarian, assertive and angry”.
It has also commissioned “psychometric and psychological testing” as part of the Australian Defence Force’s push to transform its culture to fit with modern standards.
The Department of Defence has tendered for “executive coaching services” for private and group sessions with its top brass that would not be out of place on the bureaucratic satire Utopia.
The top priority referred to in the tender documents is “Self Awareness of Strategic Leadership Style”.
Defence describes this as: “Exploration of personal values, beliefs, attitudes and associations and their impact on personal leadership behaviour.”

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/selfaware-army-officers-to-get-coach...

Shame that those involved in the career of arms should treat their career as well, a career, isn't it, BigOl64.

Having known quite a few senior ranks over the years, both in and out of uniform, they have an aura of command. The successful ones know when to turn it on and off, to be human and act human.

The less successful ones? Oh, dear. Perhaps they need to be taught? Just putting on a Cam uniform does not automatically make a person suitable to command others in battle. Roll Eyes

I have had good bosses and idiot bosses, it didn't always matter what type of leader they were, mainly because I had a job to do and it got done regardless of what my boss was like.

It's a shame you've obviously never had lead men on a battlefield, BigOl64. I haven't either but I've known men who have. Man-management (as it used to be called) is more an art than a discipline. The best man-manager I've know was my RSM. He'd served in Korea, Malaya, South Vietnam (twice), Singapore and in Australia. I only ever crossed him once and he made sure I knew who was in command and it wasn't me. I'd have followed him to hell and back. He died in his bed from lung cancer. He was a great man. He'd been at Kapyong. He rarely ever had to raise his voice to get a room to listen to him.

Career service people need to be able to make a living outside the military. It is hardly surprising that they treat their military career as a stepping stone to other things. The better ones stick with the military but they are fewer and fewer in number nowadays.

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One of the many up sides of being a RAAF Techo and not some 'directed peon'.

So, how are the F-111s going? Still strapped to each of your hips? Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:44pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 11:44am:

I don't care into whose ear he blasts, but while he is a serving Member of the ADF....he does not make editorial comments to the schmedia.

If a subordinate of his started mouthing off like he did (or at all for that matter) to the schmedia, he'd go apeshit.

Sounds like one of the super-smart RAAF chappies forgot to strap his F/A-18s onto his hips before opening his mouth. Senior officers do not make political comments. I am sure his political opinion is about as worthwhile as any "directed peon's"... Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2017 at 5:40pm:

The social engineering continues, the one organisation whose job it is to kill people has now decided they need to be less 'authoritarian, assertive and angry'.

Even the journos think it is a farce by likening the Australian Army to an episode of Utopia. It would be fkken hilarious if it wasn't so fkked up.

Well with an issue of brand new combat vaginas they will be the belles of any inter-service Dinning in Night. Grin

THE Australian Army is hiring private “executive coaches” to teach its senior officers “self-awareness”, “emotional intelligence”, “cross-cultural competence” and “interpersonal maturity” in an effort to combat perceptions that they are too “authoritarian, assertive and angry”.
It has also commissioned “psychometric and psychological testing” as part of the Australian Defence Force’s push to transform its culture to fit with modern standards.
The Department of Defence has tendered for “executive coaching services” for private and group sessions with its top brass that would not be out of place on the bureaucratic satire Utopia.
The top priority referred to in the tender documents is “Self Awareness of Strategic Leadership Style”.
Defence describes this as: “Exploration of personal values, beliefs, attitudes and associations and their impact on personal leadership behaviour.”

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/selfaware-army-officers-to-get-coach...

Shame that those involved in the career of arms should treat their career as well, a career, isn't it, BigOl64.

Having known quite a few senior ranks over the years, both in and out of uniform, they have an aura of command. The successful ones know when to turn it on and off, to be human and act human.

The less successful ones? Oh, dear. Perhaps they need to be taught? Just putting on a Cam uniform does not automatically make a person suitable to command others in battle. Roll Eyes

I have had good bosses and idiot bosses, it didn't always matter what type of leader they were, mainly because I had a job to do and it got done regardless of what my boss was like.

It's a shame you've obviously never had lead men on a battlefield, BigOl64. I haven't either but I've known men who have. Man-management (as it used to be called) is more an art than a discipline. The best man-manager I've know was my RSM. He'd served in Korea, Malaya, South Vietnam (twice), Singapore and in Australia. I only ever crossed him once and he made sure I knew who was in command and it wasn't me. I'd have followed him to hell and back. He died in his bed from lung cancer. He was a great man. He'd been at Kapyong. He rarely ever had to raise his voice to get a room to listen to him.

Career service people need to be able to make a living outside the military. It is hardly surprising that they treat their military career as a stepping stone to other things. The better ones stick with the military but they are fewer and fewer in number nowadays.

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One of the many up sides of being a RAAF Techo and not some 'directed peon'.

So, how are the F-111s going? Still strapped to each of your hips? Roll Eyes

So you knew someone who "lead men on the battle field", so fkken what, we pretty much all have, ya dolt.

Jeez when are you going to realise, RAAF service is nothing like the army. I mean fkking nothing and trying to make comparisons just makes you look like a fkken flog.

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Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

So you knew someone who "lead men on the battle field", so fkken what, we pretty much all have, ya dolt.

Really? I wasn't aware that the RAAF had fought any real battles since Korea... Tsk, tsk, hey? Roll Eyes

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Jeez when are you going to realise, RAAF service is nothing like the army. I mean fkking nothing and trying to make comparisons just makes you look like a fkken flog.

Oh. I know RAAF service is nothing like the Army's. I mean, when you're in the RAAF you get to sleep in real beds, between bed sheets and blankets, inside often the local Pub when on exercise and when not at the pud, there are the vending machines to provide you with your little "comforts", right? Oh, and we shouldn't forget the nice upholstered seats in the front of the trucks, now should we? The nice, white trucks which stand out like dog's balls in the scrub, near the nice, long, straight lines of tents, which we had to put up for you lot 'cause it was too hard like real labour. Oh, and then there was the POL we had to provide and move around the strip, 'cause it was too much like real work for the groundies to do. Tsk, tsk,

I remember visiting Edinburgh Air Base and see all the little RAAF recruits marching around in their Jungle Greens. Must have been hell for them, carrying those, oh, so heavy rifles everywhere. Tsk, tsk, my heart is starting to bleed thinking about what life in the real RAAF was like for you, BigOl64. Roll Eyes

Me? I just lived in a hole in the ground that I had to dig myself in the rain and live off of food prepared by a "fitter and turner" (he fitted it into pots and turned it into poo). I had to carry a GPMG everywhere and of course, there was my bedding and my webbing, full of all the joys of home, including 200 rounds of ammunition and of course, the odd practice grenade or two. Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

So you knew someone who "lead men on the battle field", so fkken what, we pretty much all have, ya dolt.

Really? I wasn't aware that the RAAF had fought any real battles since Korea... Tsk, tsk, hey? Roll Eyes

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Jeez when are you going to realise, RAAF service is nothing like the army. I mean fkking nothing and trying to make comparisons just makes you look like a fkken flog.

Oh. I know RAAF service is nothing like the Army's. I mean, when you're in the RAAF you get to sleep in real beds, between bed sheets and blankets, inside often the local Pub when on exercise and when not at the pud, there are the vending machines to provide you with your little "comforts", right? Oh, and we shouldn't forget the nice upholstered seats in the front of the trucks, now should we? The nice, white trucks which stand out like dog's balls in the scrub, near the nice, long, straight lines of tents, which we had to put up for you lot 'cause it was too hard like real labour. Oh, and then there was the POL we had to provide and move around the strip, 'cause it was too much like real work for the groundies to do. Tsk, tsk,

I remember visiting Edinburgh Air Base and see all the little RAAF recruits marching around in their Jungle Greens. Must have been hell for them, carrying those, oh, so heavy rifles everywhere. Tsk, tsk, my heart is starting to bleed thinking about what life in the real RAAF was like for you, BigOl64. Roll Eyes

Me? I just lived in a hole in the ground that I had to dig myself in the rain and live off of food prepared by a "fitter and turner" (he fitted it into pots and turned it into poo). I had to carry a GPMG everywhere and of course, there was my bedding and my webbing, full of all the joys of home, including 200 rounds of ammunition and of course, the odd practice grenade or two. Roll Eyes

The reason you wouldn't know is because you are driven by hubris, not intellectual inquiry or knowledge.

You are making a fool of yourself, I suggest you do at least some reading, because your life experience seems to be extremely limited.

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Reply #23 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 3:17pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 10:01am:

So you knew someone who "lead men on the battle field", so fkken what, we pretty much all have, ya dolt.

Really? I wasn't aware that the RAAF had fought any real battles since Korea... Tsk, tsk, hey? Roll Eyes

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Jeez when are you going to realise, RAAF service is nothing like the army. I mean fkking nothing and trying to make comparisons just makes you look like a fkken flog.

Oh. I know RAAF service is nothing like the Army's. I mean, when you're in the RAAF you get to sleep in real beds, between bed sheets and blankets, inside often the local Pub when on exercise and when not at the pud, there are the vending machines to provide you with your little "comforts", right? Oh, and we shouldn't forget the nice upholstered seats in the front of the trucks, now should we? The nice, white trucks which stand out like dog's balls in the scrub, near the nice, long, straight lines of tents, which we had to put up for you lot 'cause it was too hard like real labour. Oh, and then there was the POL we had to provide and move around the strip, 'cause it was too much like real work for the groundies to do. Tsk, tsk,

I remember visiting Edinburgh Air Base and see all the little RAAF recruits marching around in their Jungle Greens. Must have been hell for them, carrying those, oh, so heavy rifles everywhere. Tsk, tsk, my heart is starting to bleed thinking about what life in the real RAAF was like for you, BigOl64. Roll Eyes

Me? I just lived in a hole in the ground that I had to dig myself in the rain and live off of food prepared by a "fitter and turner" (he fitted it into pots and turned it into poo). I had to carry a GPMG everywhere and of course, there was my bedding and my webbing, full of all the joys of home, including 200 rounds of ammunition and of course, the odd practice grenade or two. Roll Eyes

The reason you wouldn't know is because you are driven by hubris, not intellectual inquiry or knowledge.

You are making a fool of yourself, I suggest you do at least some reading, because your life experience seems to be extremely limited.

Truth hurts, BigOl64. Always does. The RAAF is made up of people who can't hack living it rough in the field under real tactical conditions. Every RAAF strip I've ever been through has been "non-Tac". All the trucks and vehicles are white and the vending machines are amongst the tent lines, lined up nicely alongside the strip. Must be lovely sucking back on those beers after hours, right? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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