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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #195 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

When they Allahu Akhbar while they are doing all those 'non-Muslim' acts of jihad - is that to throw you off scent? And who ARE they, if not Muslims, those Allahu Akhbaring Koran-followers? Who IS a goddam Muslim when the Koran reciting, allahu akhbaring, Muslim attired people are NOT Muslims??

Who IS a frikken Muslim? How do you tell a Muslim if none of the hitherto recognised signifiers apply??

Once again, yet again, still - You are out of your finely tuned critical non-thinking mind, Mother.

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Reply #196 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Should it be illegal to make videos mocking Muslim terrorists?

Interesting that you assert this is what the video was about - given that it was specifically done as a protest to the construction of a mosque. Where do you get the link between mocking terrorists and opposing a new mosque? Its only possible to make such a link if you are somehow suggesting the new mosque will be connected with terrorism. The video was implying that with a new mosque comes more terrorism. It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism. That, I believe is what the court meant when they said it was holding muslim in contempt. And when this contempt comes in the form of such a violent and graphic demonstration, I think this is very sinister indeed.

Clearly the verdict was made with the context of the mosque protest in mind. Had it been as you claimed, nothing but mocking muslim terrorists (as opposed to blatantly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism), nothing would have happened.

Have you seen the video Gandalf? Do you agree that it is mocking terrorists?

What else should we refrain from saying whenever there is public discussion about building a mosque?

Yes I've seen it, and again I ask - what is the link between mocking terrorists and protesting the building of a mosque.

If I was a muslim in Bendigo, I would be justifiably concerned for my safety and the safety of my family - after seeing such a graphic and violent demonstration simply because a place for me to worship peacefully is being built.

Are you asking me what the link to the Mosque was? Your story, not mine. We are talking about the video Gandalf. The video is what they got arrested for. The video is mocking terrorists.

Do you support this law Gandalf?

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Reply #197 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm

Frank wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:06pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

When they Allahu Akhbar while they are doing all those 'non-Muslim' acts of jihad - is that to throw you off scent? And who ARE they, if not Muslims, those Allahu Akhbaring Koran-followers? Who IS a goddam Muslim when the Koran reciting, allahu akhbaring, Muslim attired people are NOT Muslims??

Who IS a frikken Muslim? How do you tell a Muslim if none of the hitherto recognised signifiers apply??

Once again, yet again, still - You are out of your finely tuned critical non-thinking mind, Mother.

Wow!

Just Wow!

And I thought SW was thick.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95236 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #198 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:24pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 8:04pm: If I was a muslim in Bendigo, I would be justifiably concerned for my safety and the safety of my family - after seeing such a graphic and violent demonstration But it's OK for Muslims to have signs saying behead those who insult Islam. I can detect hypocrisy here Gandalf.
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Reply #199 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:29pm

Gandalf is worried that non-Muslims mocking terrorism might make them stop fearing it. And we all know how dangerous people are when they are not afraid, don't we? Of all the criticism of Islam he could choose to get wound up about, he decides that mocking terrorists should be banned.

Depending on the broader social context of course.

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Reply #200 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:36pm

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:

Gandalf is worried that non-Muslims mocking terrorism might make them stop fearing it. And we all know how dangerous people are when they are not afraid, don't we? Of all the criticism of Islam he could choose to get wound up about, he decides that mocking terrorists should be banned.

Depending on the broader social context of course.

People are justifiably frightened of hoards of Muslims
protesting in streets wanting to cut Christians heads off.

Why won't Gandalf deal with this?

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Moriaty Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #201 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 11:08pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:36pm: People are justifiably frightened of hoards of Racists protesting in streets wanting to cut Moslem heads off. Why won't Gandalf deal with this? Yeah Gandalf...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #202 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 11:13pm Gandalf is an Islamic reformer. Banning criticism of Islam is a top priority for him.
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Moriaty Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #203 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 11:13pm mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 5:39pm: http://i.imgur.com/fVB2Ak4.jpg This should be the official banner of the Blair Cockrill and the far-right...
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Reply #204 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 7:56am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Are you asking me what the link to the Mosque was? Your story, not mine.

My story? FD the video was made specifically as part of the protest against the mosque. It was filmed on the doorstep of the council chamber where the decision to proceed with the building was made.

Were you not aware of this?

Are you still sticking to your 'nothing but harmless mocking of terrorists' line?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #205 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 7:59am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:

Gandalf is worried that non-Muslims mocking terrorism might make them stop fearing it. And we all know how dangerous people are when they are not afraid, don't we? Of all the criticism of Islam he could choose to get wound up about, he decides that mocking terrorists should be banned.

Depending on the broader social context of course.

Gandalf is justifiably disturbed by people conducting a graphic and violent mock beheading as part of a protest against the building of a communal place of worship.

This isn't just a muslim "thing" - everyone should be concerned about such behaviour.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #206 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:04am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

The video is what they got arrested for. The video is mocking terrorists

And I'm telling you, the video can't be separated from the mosque protest. It was filmed outside the council chamber that approved the building. Quite simply, the film makers would not have been arrested if it couldn't be linked to the mosque protest (and therefore wasn't an attack on the entire muslim community). This was central to the prosecution's case, if you bothered to read your own article.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95236 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #207 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:06am People are justifiably frightened of hoards of Muslims protesting in streets wanting to cut Christians heads off. Why won't Gandalf deal with this?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #208 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:09am Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:06am: People are justifiably frightened of hoards of Muslims protesting in streets wanting to cut Christians heads off. Why won't Gandalf deal with this? Exactly how should I deal with it Bobby? Make a beheading film?
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Reply #209 - Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:44am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2017 at 8:06am:

People are justifiably frightened of hoards of Muslims
protesting in streets wanting to cut Christians heads off.

Why won't Gandalf deal with this?

Exactly how should I deal with it Bobby?

Make a beheading film?

You should show your support for Blair Cottrel.

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