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Question: Do you support this law? [Vic RARTA 2001 S25(2)]

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Reply #180 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.


What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?



So are we agreed then, the reason why Muslims are associated with terrorism is because Muslims are holding up signs that say "behead those who insult the prophet", are driving into crowds of people and blowing people up?

Cos I don't mind repeating it.  Cool



Not to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.


No, reasonable and rational people would understand that the reason why Islam is associated with terrorism is because of ...



... the lies, misinformation, and propaganda spread by ignorant Islamophobes (who, by the way, are too stupid to understand that the majority of terrorist attacks, throughout histrory and all over the world, have been carried out by non-Muslims).

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Reply #181 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.


What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?



So are we agreed then, the reason why Muslims are associated with terrorism is because Muslims are holding up signs that say "behead those who insult the prophet", are driving into crowds of people and blowing people up?

Cos I don't mind repeating it.  Cool



Not to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.


No, reasonable and rational people would understand that the reason why Islam is associated with terrorism is because of ...



... the lies, misinformation, and propaganda spread by ignorant Islamophobes (who, by the way, are too stupid to understand that the majority of terrorist attacks, throughout histrory and all over the world, have been carried out by non-Muslims).




Naaaah, pretty sure Islam is associated with terrorism because Muslims are engaging in acts of terrorism.

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Reply #182 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:21pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.


What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?



So are we agreed then, the reason why Muslims are associated with terrorism is because Muslims are holding up signs that say "behead those who insult the prophet", are driving into crowds of people and blowing people up?

Cos I don't mind repeating it.  Cool



Not to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.


No, reasonable and rational people would understand that the reason why Islam is associated with terrorism is because of ...



... the lies, misinformation, and propaganda spread by ignorant Islamophobes (who, by the way, are too stupid to understand that the majority of terrorist attacks, throughout histrory and all over the world, have been carried out by non-Muslims).




Naaaah, pretty sure Islam is associated with terrorism because Muslims are engaging in acts of terrorism.



Non-Muslims are associated with terrorism because non-Muslims are engaging in acts of terrorism.

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Reply #183 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
This is seriously just astonishing.



Yes, it is pretty astonishing that you don't accept that muslims committing acts of terrorism lead to an association with Islam to terrorism.
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Reply #184 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:24pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Honestly remarkable.   Shocked


Yep.

I'm speechless.
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Reply #185 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:24pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Honestly remarkable.   Shocked


Yep.

I'm speechless.


Hahahah, your post count says different.
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Reply #186 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
This is seriously just astonishing.



I'm still speechless.

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Reply #187 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
mothra wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
This is seriously just astonishing.



I'm still speechless.



My 11 year old reasons infinitely better than Secret.
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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #188 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:35pm
 
You pair need a room and some time?
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Reply #189 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
You pair need a room and some time?


A joke my 11 year old wouldn't even stoop to.

Really bringing your A-game, aren't you Secret.
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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #190 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
I don't see the difference between this video and The Life of Brian. Since when is it illegal to make fun of people in Australia?



It is illegal now -

where the hell is Yadda when you need him?
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Reply #191 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
Poll added. Please vote.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/s...

Alinta wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
I don't think he was charged for criticising the government.

When was this law made?


2001

Charged under S 25 (2)....

(2)     A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, knowingly engage in conduct with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note

"Engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Penalty:     In the case of a body corporate, 300 penalty units;

In any other case, imprisonment for 6 months or 60 penalty units or both.

    (3)     For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), conduct—

        (a)     may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions over a period of time; and

        (b)     may occur in or outside Victoria.

    (4)     A prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) or (2) must not be commenced without the written consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/

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Reply #192 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:04pm
 
Big Brother decides what you can think & say.

George Orwell was correct - it's after 1984.
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Reply #193 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 4:54pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:14pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 9:55pm:
Should it be illegal to make videos mocking Muslim terrorists?


Interesting that you assert this is what the video was about - given that it was specifically done as a protest to the construction of a mosque. Where do you get the link between mocking terrorists and opposing a new mosque? Its only possible to make such a link if you are somehow suggesting the new mosque will be connected with terrorism. The video was implying that with a new mosque comes more terrorism. It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism. That, I believe is what the court meant when they said it was holding muslim in contempt. And when this contempt comes in the form of such a violent and graphic demonstration, I think this is very sinister indeed.

Clearly the verdict was made with the context of the mosque protest in mind. Had it been as you claimed, nothing but mocking muslim terrorists (as opposed to blatantly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism), nothing would have happened.


Have you seen the video Gandalf? Do you agree that it is mocking terrorists?

What else should we refrain from saying whenever there is public discussion about building a mosque?


Yes I've seen it, and again I ask - what is the link between mocking terrorists and protesting the building of a mosque.

If I was a muslim in Bendigo, I would be justifiably concerned for my safety and the safety of my family - after seeing such a graphic and violent demonstration simply because a place for me to worship peacefully is being built.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #194 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:04pm:
If I was a muslim in Bendigo, I would be justifiably concerned for my safety and the safety of my family - after seeing such a graphic and violent demonstration



But it's OK for Muslims to have signs saying

behead those who insult Islam.

...



I can detect hypocrisy here Gandalf.
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