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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #135 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:43pm Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm: mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:34pm: Editing my posts now, Nazi? Typical. Well, you work with what you can, hey. Floor is wide open for you to explain the reasoning behind claiming that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim. Link?
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Secret Wars Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3928 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #136 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm: Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:29pm: It's rare to see stupidity so succinctly distilled http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=usersrecentposts;username=Secret_W... Here comes the cavalry...
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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #137 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

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Reply #138 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

Yes. People who aren't Muslim do those things too. Nazis, for example.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #139 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:41pm: mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:34pm: Editing my posts now, Nazi? Typical. Well, you work with what you can, hey. Floor is wide open for you to explain the reasoning behind claiming that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim. Link?
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Reply #140 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:52pm

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

Yes. People who aren't Muslim do those things too. Nazis, for example.

Heheheh, alakbahing terrorists driving into crowds or or blowing up people ain't Muslims. That's your boneheaded contention.

Now up to you to demonstrate the reasoning that leads you to that idiot conclusion. Well reasoning other than rank, unthinking, submissive apologism, you already done that.

The floor is still yours.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #141 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:53pm
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Reply #142 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Should it be illegal to make videos mocking Muslim terrorists?

Interesting that you assert this is what the video was about - given that it was specifically done as a protest to the construction of a mosque. Where do you get the link between mocking terrorists and opposing a new mosque? Its only possible to make such a link if you are somehow suggesting the new mosque will be connected with terrorism. The video was implying that with a new mosque comes more terrorism. It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism. That, I believe is what the court meant when they said it was holding muslim in contempt. And when this contempt comes in the form of such a violent and graphic demonstration, I think this is very sinister indeed.

Clearly the verdict was made with the context of the mosque protest in mind. Had it been as you claimed, nothing but mocking muslim terrorists (as opposed to blatantly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism), nothing would have happened.

Have you seen the video Gandalf? Do you agree that it is mocking terrorists?

What else should we refrain from saying whenever there is public discussion about building a mosque?

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Reply #143 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:54pm

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

Yes. People who aren't Muslim do those things too. Nazis, for example.

Heheheh, alakbahing terrorists driving into crowds or or blowing up people ain't Muslims. That's your boneheaded contention.

Link?

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Reply #144 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:56pm

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/13/13c1bd7228bb2961cd2355810f23f01e47aff7d7b6438e18f...

I've searched through this entire thread, and I can't find any post from you "claiming that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim".

So, why does he keep repeating that nonsense?

What the hell is wrong with him?

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Reply #145 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

Yes. People who aren't Muslim do those things too. Nazis, for example.

Heheheh, alakbahing terrorists driving into crowds or or blowing up people ain't Muslims. That's your boneheaded contention.

Link?

As self-evident as it was, i still tried to explain it to him.

Utterly futile.

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Reply #146 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/13/13c1bd7228bb2961cd2355810f23f01e47aff7d7b6438e18f...

I've searched through this entire thread, and I can't find any post from you "claiming that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim".

So, why does he keep repeating that nonsense?

What the hell is wrong with him?

He's very bad tempered and not very bright.

It's a lethal combination.

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Reply #147 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:59pm

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:47pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Are you?

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

Yes. People who aren't Muslim do those things too. Nazis, for example.

Heheheh, alakbahing terrorists driving into crowds or or blowing up people ain't Muslims. That's your boneheaded contention.

Link?

As self-evident as it was, i still tried to explain it to him.

Utterly futile.

"Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim."

It's perfectly obvious from that statement that you are not "claiming that Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim".

You are claiming that only a small minority of Muslims do those things and, that non-Muslims do those things too.

Moreover, you are 100% correct.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #148 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 5:02pm I honestly don't know how i could have made myself clearer without inserting a disclaimer as a footnote.
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Reply #149 - Sep 6^th, 2017 at 5:17pm

mothra wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:33pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

It was directly associating the entire muslim community with terrorism.

What does holding up signs saying "behead those who insult the prophet" or driving into crowds of people or blowing people up associate Muslims with?

Nothing, to a reasonable, rational person. They understand immediately that most Muslims don't do those things and that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim.

"Those things", holding up signs that declare that those who insult the prophet are to be beheaded and diving into crowds or blowing people are associated with Islam, precisely because it is Muslims holding up the signs, driving into the crowds and blowing people up.

Not the only ones... though that is problematic for the signs, but you opted in this thread, to my post to claim "that those things are done by people who aren't Muslim" is wrong, they are uncontestably done by Muslims.

Muslims are associated with terrorism because Muslims are holding up the signs, blowing the people up and driving into crowds.

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