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Jul 23rd, 2017 at 1:08pm
 
Bill Shorten calls on Government to commit to fixed, four-year Parliamentary terms


Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has intensified his campaign for fixed four-year terms for Federal Parliament.

Mr Shorten told the ABC's Insiders program the current political system made it difficult for Federal Governments to pursue ambitious reforms.

"I think the nation needs four-year terms," Mr Shorten said.

"The federal political system seems out of whack in that everything is so short-term. The average life of a Federal Government is two-and-a-half years — not even three years.

"Governments can be more daring and determined if they're not constantly thinking about the next election, if prime ministers of the day don't have the tempting trigger to pull that if they have an improvement in their short-term position they'll race to the polls."

Mr Shorten has previously backed four-year terms, but said it was not a priority for the ALP.

His intervention today signals Labor might be willing to expend political capital on the issue.

Most states have now embraced fixed terms, and several business groups have backed the idea, saying it would help create a more stable political environment.

Shorten says parties should agree to take issue to voters

There is also a push towards fixed terms within the Coalition — earlier this year Liberal MP David Coleman introduced a draft bill for four-year terms, arguing it would make it easier for governments to implement complex long-term policies.

The change could only be introduced through a referendum — and Bill Shorten said both major parties should agree to take the issue to voters after the next election.

"If Labor just said we wanted four-year terms, it would fail," Mr Shorten said.

"Now, I'm saying that I would be prepared ... to say that before the next election.

"Why couldn't the government of the day — Mr Turnbull or whoever is in charge — and myself agree that whoever wins the next election, that together, we would have an agreed change to the constitution which we would put to the Australian people of four-year terms."

Four-year parliamentary terms were proposed in a 1988 referendum but it was defeated after less than one in three voters backed the change.




a good idea. As it stands now nothing substantive gets done because they're busy worrying about the next election.
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Reply #1 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 1:18pm
 
Five years might be better.

Imagine: Gillard wins in 2010 and has five years to bed down the NBN, the ETS and so on.
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Reply #2 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 1:22pm
 
Nah.  Four years of meandering going nowhere for example as in this Government.....pffftttt!

Further, 4 years for MHRs mean 8 years for Senators.
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Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 1:51pm
 
Fukk'em. If they want longer they can bloody well earn it.
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Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 2:44pm
 
...



Bull S.'s Socialist Greeny and CFMEU controlled Labor imbecilic vandals had six sick years and all they succeeded in doing was to almost bring Australia to its knees by almost destroying the Australian economy with their

imbecilic borrowing and waste and disgrace and

by RESTARTING the BOATS and trying to flood Australia with violent Stone Age Devil Worshiping ISLAMIC Heathen Barbarians and

with the idiotic Greenies' Carbon Tax and

by trying to ban free speech and

by trying to implement the AGENDA 2030 idea of moving power from the State Govt to the sick Greeny councils and

by trying to close down ALL Australian industry and

by trying to sabotage the Australian power system and

by moving huge numbers of bludgers onto Centrelink WELFARE and

even more endless destruction etc


Just imagine if the  Socialist Labor imbeciles had had TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS what permanent damage they would have inflicted on the Australian economy ?



And Bull S.'s NUMBER ONE PRIORITY if he ever got back in is to RESTART the BOATS followed by bring back the CARBON TAX and make ELECTRICITY PRICES so high that pensioners would die during winter because they could not afford to turn their heater on.



SAVE our PENSIONERS - Don't EVER VOTE FOR LABOR!!!!!!




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And Bull S. would be even WORSE!!!!!






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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 2:56pm
 
Bad enough States get 4 years but federally it would be a total disaster.

Nope 3 is enough.
They want more they can win the next election.

As for the Senate they can have 3 years too, none of this 6 crap.

Democracy, will of the people and all that.
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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:14pm
 
Well we probably can forget the almost collapsed Greenies at the next election.

But then who will Bull S. form the worst "govt" in Australia's history with if the Greenies are extinct ?
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:15pm
 
I dont have any issue with 4 years for the House Of Representatives. That probably would allow governments to have ability for at least a bit of forward planning.

But no way do I agree to 8 years for Senators
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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:19pm
 
What if Senators can only do one 8 year term?

Would give Senators a lot of freedom to consider legislation purely on its merits.
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:19pm:
What if Senators can only do one 8 year term?

Would give Senators a lot of freedom to consider legislation purely on its merits.


That is an idea worth considering!

Actually the current six years is nonsense as well,

I assume the argument is that only having half the senate elected every three years provides some form of continuity,

well that is nonsense if one looks at the HOR members elected each election as at least 50% are ones previously elected so lots of continuity there!

No I think 4 year terms for HOR and the Senate!
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Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:47pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:15pm:
I dont have any issue with 4 years for the House Of Representatives. That probably would allow governments to have ability for at least a bit of forward planning.

But no way do I agree to 8 years for Senators


Good grief...  you think they cant plan in 3 year blocks so 4 years will make it better? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:49pm
 
Any thoughts of this idea should be blown away when you look at the incompetent rabble we have in at the moment. Leave it right where it is thanks.
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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:52pm
 
No to an increase.
The argument that longer term periods equals better planning/decision making has proof where?? Garbage in and garbage out is not time span dependent.
For a start, governments actually need to communicate their intentions better now (they are loathe to do this, as they may need to make a political compromise along the way, so do not want to put forward any kind of public long-term plan which they may later amend).
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Reply #13 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
All members please note that I've have proposed such reforms on this forum before.

Seems I'm not that crazy after all.

And Aussie, no senators won't be elected for 8 years; they'll all be elected at the same time.
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
thecuriousmail wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:52pm:
No to an increase.
The argument that longer term periods equals better planning/decision making has proof where?? Garbage in and garbage out is not time span dependent.
For a start, governments actually need to communicate their intentions better now (they are loathe to do this, as they may need to make a political compromise along the way, so do not want to put forward any kind of public long-term plan which they may later amend).


They're loathe to do it because they can't do anything in 3 years.

You need to think of 3 year terms as 3 budgets. You can't get anything done with 3 budgets. 4 or 5 years means the government can better plan long term.
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