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Greenies in state of collapse!!!
Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:15am
 
Are the Greeny rats leaving the sinking Greeny ship because it has gotten out that their main platform Global Warming is nothing but a gigantic HOAX, a fraudulent money making SCAM fabricated by the Socialist UN ?

Will the Commo Lee Rhiannon storm the bridge on the sinking Greeny ship and burn the anti Christ Doc Dick at the steak ?

How much longer before the fowl HATE Australia Greenies becom extinct ? Pauline will be excited to take over Greeny voters. Who will GetUp! support now ?

This is a crisis for Bull S. because who will he form the worst "govt" in Australia's history with ?

Does this mean Bull S. won't be able to RESTART the BOATS and send ELECTRICITY PRICES up past the moon and bring back the CARBON TAX ?





Greens collapse ‘in most states’
David Crowe Political correspondent Canberra  The Australian 12:00AM July 21, 2017

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Scott Ludlam, left, and Lar­iss­a Waters, right, pictured with Greens leader Richard Di Natale, have both resigned.

Greens leader Richard Di Natale­ is facing dire warnings of a slide in his party’s popular support with a leaked internal analysis showing it is on track to lose three of its nine Senate seats, as it reels from the loss of two of its most popular senators.

Sounding the alarm over the party’s plight, the Greens analysis also concludes the party is “losing the younger vote” despite­ a “priority” Greens effort to increase the party’s support among the young.

The document, obtained by The Australian, declares “we’re not on track to save our senat­ors” and says a new strategy is needed to prevent losing key Senate positions in South ­Australia, Queensland, Western Aust­ralia and NSW.

It warns of “stagnant or falling” support in most states based on polling conducted before the shock resignations of Scott Ludlam and Lar­iss­a Waters over the past week after they admitted breaching a fundamental citizenship requirement in the Constitution.

The Greens fear another blow to their standing after the furore as Senator Di Natale waits for confirmation he has renounced Italian citizenship.

   
read more
    More likely to fall from tree DAVID CROWE
    Bartlett runs ineligibility gauntlet JAMIE WALKER, ROSIE LEWIS


Tasmanian colleague Nick McKim is yet to produce confirmation he has given up British citizenship.

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The turmoil continued yesterday when Senator Di Natale launched an interim reshuffle while candidate Andrew Bartlett faces questions over a separate constitutional test — whether he held an office of profit under the crown — that could disqualify him from replacing Ms Waters.

“Based on the 2016 results, the seats most at risk are South Australia, Queensland and NSW,” warns the internal analysis.

“Distressingly, analysis of data for the full year since the July 2016 election suggests that outside of NSW, our vote has likely fallen since the election, leaving key states exposed.”

A key warning is that the Greens’ prim­ary vote has not risen above 10% since last year’s election and that state-by-state figures show the weakness of the party in the vulnerable states.

Relying on Newspoll surveys reported in The Australian, the document finds the Greens’ prim­ary vote averaged 11.2% in the year before the last election but fell to an average of 9.7% in the year since.

Those at the greatest risk of defeat are Sarah Hanson-Young in SA and Mr Bartlett in Queensland, assuming he replaces Ms Waters.

Both would have to face voters at the next election, as their terms expire in June 2019.

The internal analysis finds the SA and Queensland seats are “dangerously at risk” and that the NSW seat is in doubt despite a slight improvement.

“Averaged over the last 12 months, NSW has slightly increased its vote. However, the increase is not yet enough to feel comfortable about retaining the seat,” it says.

NSW senator Lee Rhiannon faces voters at the next election.


WA senator Rachel Siewert, whose term expires in 2019, is facing doubts over her position given the fall in the party’s support in the state election and Newspoll.

“It is not unreasonable to think that our Senate vote in WA is under 9%. This puts us at risk of not being the ‘last one standing’ in WA (and) WA should no longer be considered safe,” the analysis says.

Mr Ludlam’s former seat, which is expected to be taken by Jordon Steele-John because he was second on the ticket last year, does not expire until June 2022.


The document acknowledges the short-term movements in the Greens’ vote are within the margin­ of error for individual polls but argues the trend over a full year cannot be ignored.

“As well as a lower average, the post-election results are very ­consistent and this consistency has persisted over a whole 12 months,” it concludes.

“This strongly suggests our vote has now dropped below our election result and has stabilised at this lower level.”

The analysis dismisses recent Ipsos surveys that estimate the party’s support at 13 or 16%, calling this “just unrealistic” and “out of line” with other polls, and cites Essential Research results that also show a slip in support.

The demise of the woeful Greenies continues overleaf
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:16am
 
The demise of the woeful Greenies continues...

The document was given to The Australian on condition the author not be named, given the objective was to avoid a witch-hunt and instead trigger a debate within the party over the best way to combat the fall in support.

“People need to look the hard reality in the face,” said one Greens member. The Australian was told of concerns that the party had not develo­ped a robust strategy to win back young voters on the back of the government’s higher-education reforms, which will lift fees for students and demand faster repayment of student debt.

A spokeswoman for Senator Di Natale fended off the criticism.

“We’re looking forward to some big campaigns and policy initiatives in the lead-up to the next election,” she said.

“We had a big increase in our house vote at the last election and we are confident we can continue to build and win more lower house seats. In the Senate we are in a good position to consolidate our team.”

Chief pollster for the Newspoll surveys, Galaxy Research managing director David Briggs, said the Greens’ vote peaked in about 2010 in federal and state surveys.

“Even in states in which their share of the primary vote has increase­d since 2010, the increase has been less than one percentage point,” Mr Briggs said.

“This suggests that the Green vote has plateaued and any suggestion in opinion polls that their share of the vote is now significantly higher than at previous elections is fanciful.

“The other interesting point is that the most significant drops in Green support occur after they have a hand in government.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-collapse-in-most-states-says-internal-review/news-story/55d4b0ea25a80eaadeb6c3ba1bc0f26d


A few COMMENTS to tickle the Leftys

Who will GetUp! support now ?

JohnsonD 1 minute ago
These are self indulgent middle-class narcissists who want to turn out the lights and turn off the power for the workers in Australia. And the desperately poor...how can they pay for the huge electricity bills these days? These political dilettantes have no compassion for the working class of Australia.

Marie 2 minutes ago
The Watermelon Party  is an apt name of the so-called Greens.   Red on the inside and green on the out. 

Tony 5 minutes ago
I'm selling my shares in Kool Aid.

Trevor 6 minutes ago
The whole parliamentary group is populated by nutters and foreigners. Eventually even naive tree hugging adolescents must see that the Greens are worthless, especially given they cant stop mines or fill the landscape with windmills, even with the support of George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Geoffrey Cousins.

Peter 7 minutes ago
Wouldn't it be lovely if there were less Greens assisting Labor to block sensible economic initiatives in the Senate.

Greg 8 minutes ago
After the next election, the Australian Conservatives and One Nation will control the cross benches. The greens will be irrelevant.

R.Glenn 3 minutes ago
@Greg We can only hope

Michael 10 minutes ago
And their latest piece of lunacy is their policy to shut down the Lucas Heights reactor which produces our nuclear medicine.  They clearly don't care about cancer sufferers in their zeal to return to the caves.
Michael of Sevilla

Peter 14 minutes ago
From the below comments, replacing Sarah Hanson Young sounds like a plan.

John 15 minutes ago
Why am I feeling so happy today...

Chris 15 minutes ago
No surprise.  The Greens used to be environmentalists, no they are hard left socialists.  Add incompetence and possibly deceptiion, into the mix and it is no wonder supporters are deserting them

Sean 18 minutes ago
If Di Natale is still searching for something, anything that confirms he's renounced his Italian status, there's a better than even chance of another awkward press conference in the next few days...

John 10 minutes ago

@Sean In Italy you can buy any kind of certification if you know the right people.

Wendy 23 minutes ago
They lost me when they abandoned the environment and became a voice for illegal immigration.


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Will the Greeny supporters now move to Pauline ?

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Reply #2 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:03am
 
All this crisis trouble couldn't happen to a more deserving case when you think of all the economic damage the fowl HATE Australia Greenies have inflicted on Australia.

Ruling could be a blow for the Lefty/Greenie "professional" student types trying to freeload on the taxpayers.





Again? 'Real' Constitutional Risk Over Likely New Greens Senator
Karen Barlow Politics Editor, HuffPost Australia 20/07/2017 2:29 PM AEST | Updated 17 hours ago

Andrew Bartlett's uni job at the time of #AusVotes2016 could disqualify him.   

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Andrew Bartlett was employed by the Australian National University's College of Law at the time of standing for election. Robert Shakespeare/Fairfax Media

CANBERRA -- If the past week's loss of both co-deputy leaders Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam have not been enough for the reeling Australian Greens, there is now a valid question mark over Waters' likely replacement in the Senate.

And again, it is over a potential breach of Section 44 of the Australian Constitution. Just a different sub paragraph.

The "live issue", according to constitutional law expert George Williams, with the eligibility of former Democrats Leader Andrew Bartlett comes as Tasmanian Greens Senator Nick McKim reveals he is awaiting paperwork from the British Government confirming that he renounced his British citizenship before standing for election.

The declaration of renunciation never came back in 2015 when McKim wrote to the Britain's Home Office to renounce his citizenship, but his office has told HuffPost that the senator did all that he was supposed to do.

The Greens have been scrambling since the surprise loss of Waters on Tuesday (following the equally stunning resignation of Ludlam on Friday) and Andrew Bartlett has been in the box seat for a return to the Senate as the number two on the Greens QLD ticket at the 2016 election.

But, Bartlett was employed by the Australian National University's (ANU) College of Law at the time of standing for election. And, Section 44(iv) of the Constitution bars people from running for federal parliament if you hold "any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth".

In a short statement, Bartlett said he was eligible.

    "It is not correct to assert that a University position is an office of profit under S 44. We've had strong advice to the contrary for some years & people have been elected to Parliament previously without resigning their university position."

    Andrew Bartlett

The Greens have also provided a 2013 "industrial memo" from the National Tertiary Education Union (NTEU) which advises federal candidates," the fairly overwhelming weight of opinion is that University staff do not hold an office of profit under the crown, as Universities are not "the crown", and that therefore university staff are not precluded from seeking election."

Two cases were cited. The disqualification of independent Phil Cleary by the High Court in 1992 because he was a Victorian public school teacher and the unchallenged 2002 election of uni employee and Greens candidate, Michael Organ.

However, the NTEU also warns candidates:

    "The union is unable to give any absolutely definitive advice on the question of University staff, as the specific issue has never been the subject of judicial consideration."

    NTEU 2013 industrial memo

And there's the rub.

Constitutional law expert George Williams has told HuffPost Australia that employment by universities has never been tested by the High Court, and he said it was a "live issue," a "real risk" and a "minefield".

"It is a grey area that as yet we don't have clarity about by the High Court," he said. "It is yet another example of how this section of the Constitution is unsatisfactory and uncertain."

"This is a minefield for candidates with connections in universities, local government and indeed in a range of other areas, which have a relationship to government but clearly also have a level of independence."

Professor Williams said it will be hard for the Senate, when it sits again, not to refer the matter to the High Court after it has dealt with Waters and Ludlam, if the High Court decides, in the Waters matter, to select Bartlett for her spot.

Bartlett could be eligible. It is just not known.

"I have advised many candidates in the past about this issue and my advice has been there is a real risk that their candidacy could be challenged," he told HuffPost Australia.

"If they think they may be in a position to win the seat they would be well advised to ensure that they are not employed by a university at the point they nominate."

Dual citizens Waters and Ludlam ran afoul of section 44(i) of the Constitution that says you can't run for Federal Parliament if you are "under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power" or if you are "a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/07/20/again-real-constitutional-risk-over-...
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Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 10:10am
 
the Greens...  Grin
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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 10:49am
 
Given the internal turmoil in the lib party -> looks like that party will either lose votes, or fragment to smaller parties and bleed to other groups like One Nation.

Far more likely than the Greens in collapsing.
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm
 
Maybe if the Greens didn't have so many batshit crazy policies and pollies, then more people might take them seriously and they may not be facing the same fate as the Democrats. I just can't listen to anyone from the Greens. Soon as I hear who they are or come across an article from them, I tune out.
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Scott Morrison DID wipe the floor with Bull Shitten!!! Smiley Smiley Smiley
 
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 10:10am:
the Greens...  Grin

The mechanic....  Grin
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:51pm
 
they lost any pretense at being a alternative party when Bob Brown sat back and did NOTHING during the Gillard/Rudd/Gillard/Rudd saga.

Just a splinter group of labor like get up.

Just slyly trying to get votes from people who wouldn't vote labor .

Shown now to be criminals and Frauds....PAY BACK THE WAGES YOU STOLE BY FRAUD!!! Angry
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Reply #8 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 9:49am
 
Hanson take over Green voters?  Right...
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Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:06am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 9:49am:
Hanson take over Green voters?  Right...



Need about the same IQ to mindlessly vote for either.


But at least she is there to vote for.  Smiley Smiley
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Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:18am
 
juliar wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:15am:
Sounding the alarm over the party’s plight, the Greens analysis also concludes the party is “losing the younger vote” despite­ a “priority” Greens effort to increase the party’s support among the young.


They're really making an effort? 

How did they expect to recruit young people by promoting the stuffy ideology of their baby-boomer (grand)parents?
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... wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:18am:
juliar wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 8:15am:
Sounding the alarm over the party’s plight, the Greens analysis also concludes the party is “losing the younger vote” despite­ a “priority” Greens effort to increase the party’s support among the young.


They're really making an effort? 

How did they expect to recruit young people by promoting the stuffy ideology of their baby-boomer (grand)parents?



Maybe most young people do want to have a job, to be useful contributing members of society and not lazy filthy leeches demanding endless handouts from the taxpayer.

All it takes is a quick read of the greens policies and the decision is easy.  Smiley Smiley


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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 2:56pm
 
When the Greenies go extinct will the former Greeny supporters move to Pauline ?
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