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Pressuring Australians To Work Until 70
Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:49am
 
The dark side of pressuring Australians to work until 70

July 20 2017
The New Daily
A new report has challenged the wisdom of pressuring all Australians to work longer before they retire.

The Per Capita think tank warned on Tuesday that the policy risks hurting older workers who physically cannot work, or cannot find jobs, in later life.   Sad

“The push to extend working lives has the potential to stigmatise those who retire from the paid workforce as no longer pulling their weight in a society where being retired is increasingly viewed as a kind of unemployment,” the authors, Philip Taylor and Warwick Smith, wrote.

“What happens if governments remove one of the moral foundations of the welfare state – retirement – without there being a realistic alternative?”

The Turnbull government sparked outrage last month by confirming it plans to push the pension age to 70 by 2035 in order to reduce welfare spending, the biggest area of federal expenditure.   Sad

The current eligibility age is 65.5 years, which is legislated to gradually rise to 67 years by 2023.

That announcement followed a warning from the World Economic Forum that Australia would be forced to push its retirement age to 70 by the middle of the century to avoid a retirement funding crisis.

The Per Capita report cautioned against assumptions that working longer is achievable, beneficial and desirable for everyone.

“Simplistic arguments for the ‘right to work’ may make older people’s advocacy the unwitting bedfellow of a strong policy push to extend working lives in order to reduce welfare costs.”

Australians are being asked to work longer without a clear sense of whether this is a realistic expectation, the authors wrote.   Sad

“The availability and quality of paid work and how those not in work will build and maintain a sense of identity are issues of importance for ageing in Australia that have received little consideration.”

As The New Daily has reported, there are certain occupation groups – such as construction workers – for whom longer careers are physically impossible.   Sad

The Per Capita report also made this point: “The potential dignity of retirement for those in certain occupational groups for whom paid work is a near impossibility is also being overlooked by many advocates and policy makers.”

It urged “more realistic” expectations of the contribution that older Australians can make to the workforce, in the hope that the public debate would change “from one that is primarily grounded in notions of generational conflict to one that is based on the value of promoting generational solidarity”.

The criticism of the current stance on working longer was just one section of the wide-ranging Per Capita report on workforce ageing.

It also tackled ageism, discrimination, harmful stereotypes, worsening casualisation and the rise of automation.

The report recommended many changes, including the introduction of a job guarantee that rewards the participation of long-term unemployed workers in unpaid work; and grants for workers over the age of 55 who want to start a small business.
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Reply #1 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am
 
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People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad
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GetUp! for ever trying to TAKE Australia back to the STONE AGE!!!!!
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juliar wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 7:52am:
GetUp! for ever trying to TAKE Australia back to the STONE AGE!!!!!


Impossible.  We are already there thanks to Tony Abbott and now, Malcolm Turnbull.
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whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad
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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.


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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:00pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:49am:
The dark side of pressuring Australians to work until 70


Wait - there's a bright side to it?  Where?
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 3:29pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




you're on the gyro aren't you. what are you talking about f.ckface ?
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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.


don't worry bobby. jobsungroth and minimum wages will help you reach that goal if you can live for another 200 years Cheesy LOL
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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 4:50pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 3:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.


don't worry bobby. jobsungroth and minimum wages will help you reach that goal if you can live for another 200 years Cheesy LOL



What jobs - they are all rubbish.
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juliar wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 7:52am:
GetUp! for ever trying to TAKE Australia back to the STONE AGE!!!!!

Juliar knows nothing  Cheesy
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Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 3:29pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




you're on the gyro aren't you. what are you talking about f.ckface ?

Big Ol is obviously pointing out he has the protocols to shoot firearms through the interwebs  Grin

It's been his running joke for decades: go pretend trolls because, obviously, trolls are imaginary!

Hey, we should all catch up at the traino and drop artane and drink metho  Cheesy
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...and what the bugger is 'the gyro?'
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TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:00pm:
...and what the bugger is 'the gyro?'


The gyro is a pommy word for the dole.
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I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley
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Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:00pm:
...and what the bugger is 'the gyro?'


The gyro is a pommy word for the dole.



Here is me thinking that in the greatest time to make decent money that fkkwit nails is still a povo loser, and it turns out he is a whinging pommie.  Grin Grin Grin




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It really depends on what you do.  I can imagine an accountant, doctor, or a lawyer working to 70s.  But I cant see a policeman, fireman working to 70s.   In the ADF, people have to retire by 60, and usually by then, many people are broken.  Working to 70s, its crazy!  And seriously, are we asking a 65 year old, with history of heart disease, lung problem, going to 30 different job interviews a week, when he have to attend like 5 different doctor's appointment.
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 8:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:00pm:
...and what the bugger is 'the gyro?'


The gyro is a pommy word for the dole.



Here is me thinking that in the greatest time to make decent money that fkkwit nails is still a povo loser, and it turns out he is a whinging pommie.  Grin Grin Grin




It's actually a word he picked up from Pommy TV shows.
You're wrong again but forgiven.

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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 8:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:44pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:00pm:
...and what the bugger is 'the gyro?'


The gyro is a pommy word for the dole.



Here is me thinking that in the greatest time to make decent money that fkkwit nails is still a povo loser, and it turns out he is a whinging pommie.  Grin Grin Grin




It's actually a word he picked up from Pommy TV shows.
You're wrong again but forgiven.




I suppose you would pick up a few foreign words here and there if you spend all day lying on the couch watching TV and realising the absolute uselessness of your existence.


No need to forgive  Smiley Smiley

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Crane operator Alan Blevin unimpressed by expectation he will work until he is 70

Sydney Morning Herald
May 2 2014

Imagine a construction site filled with 70-year-old workers.

For crane operator Alan Blevin, the federal government’s announcement it will raise the retirement age could make this vision a reality.   Sad

On Friday, Treasurer Joe Hockey revealed Australians born after 1965 will have to continue working until they are 70 before they can access the age pension.

That means Mr Blevin, who is now 47, will be one of millions of people forced to stay on the job for more than 20 years before he is eligible for the pension.

"It’s unthinkable," he says. "There is no chance I will be able to work until I am 70.

"My left knee is already giving in because I’m bending down, loading gear from trucks and guiding cranes all day. But I can’t afford to just stop. I have to keep paying the rent and bills.’’

The rise to 70 by 2035, which is quicker than recommended by the National Commission of Audit, will be particularly tough for people in manual jobs, says Mr Blevin, who lives in Sans Souci and works 60 hours a week on a Zetland building project for Becton.

"When you are driving a crane it’s mentally exhausting, too. You can’t slack off because you could kill someone. You have to be sharp and alert. I know a few guys in their mid 50s now who are struggling now even though they are quite fit for their age."   Sad

After working as a bricklayer's labourer for more than 15 years, Mr Blevin retrained as a crane driver to ease the pressure on his back. Although he now earns about $2000 each week, his income is unpredictable.

"One minute you have a good run of work, the next you might not have work for months. You take what you can get and just put up with it.

"Ideally I’d like to cut back to 30 hours a week in the next 10 years. My wife is studying to be a psychologist so it might be possible once she is qualified. But you can’t predict the future."

With daughters about to have families of their own, Mr Blevin said he would like to retire by 65 so he can spend time with his grandchildren.

"I’m sure the politicians won’t be going until they are 70. It’s ridiculous. But at least I’d get a discounted bus pass to get to work.   Sad
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Crane operator Alan Blevin unimpressed by expectation he will work until he is 70

Sydney Morning Herald
May 2 2014

Imagine a construction site filled with 70-year-old workers.

For crane operator Alan Blevin, the federal government’s announcement it will raise the retirement age could make this vision a reality.   Sad

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You have to ask, is this person an impossible retarded human or a fkken union stooge whose job it is to deliberately spread lies and misinformation? A little from column A and a little from column B.


First up thanks to his union he will have a very impressive super which he can legally access at 60, yes 60. What he can't do is receive a taxpayer funded pension, which due to his massive Superfund he probably wouldn't get anyway.



For FKK Sake people do your own fkken research.  Angry Angry Angry Angry


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Reply #26 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?
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Reply #27 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?



Now no, at retirement, absolutely

It's called planning, genius

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Reply #28 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Bobby is correct. Spending a life time paying high tax rates with a long term known goal at the end was reasonable. Whoops the goal posts are moving right at the end when it is too late to do anything about it.

We have always been happy to pay for the pensions before us and now it is deemed more important to pay for the unafordable Howard tax cuts to wealthy Australians.
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Reply #29 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:53am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Bobby is correct. Spending a life time paying high tax rates with a long term known goal at the end was reasonable. Whoops the goal posts are moving right at the end when it is too late to do anything about it.

We have always been happy to pay for the pensions before us and now it is deemed more important to pay for the unafordable Howard tax cuts to wealthy Australians.



That'll teach you to have a welfare mentality won't it?

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Reply #30 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:03am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




How much did you lose in the crash ?
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Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley


Most likely it will not be your decision.
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Reply #32 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?


I do but you realise that if you have over $800K you don't get the pension anyway ?

You can do ok under $600K with a part pension.
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Reply #33 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:16am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:03am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




How much did you lose in the crash ?



The one that happened 9 years ago?

A hundred K or so, but I have made it back and then some, it is what happens with invested money, you do know that don't you?

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Reply #34 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:21am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Bobby is correct. Spending a life time paying high tax rates with a long term known goal at the end was reasonable. Whoops the goal posts are moving right at the end when it is too late to do anything about it.

We have always been happy to pay for the pensions before us and now it is deemed more important to pay for the unafordable Howard tax cuts to wealthy Australians.



Thanks you -

After a lifetime of being taken by friends an enemies alike & then just
when you feel you have your possessions sure -
your health begins to fade -
it's the ultimate theft.
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Reply #35 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:22am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?


I do but you realise that if you have over $800K you don't get the pension anyway ?

You can do ok under $600K with a part pension.


hello - if you need to retire at 60 you'll have to survive on
say 100K or 200k of super - it will soon run out before you reach 70.
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Reply #36 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:16am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:03am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




How much did you lose in the crash ?



The one that happened 9 years ago?

A hundred K or so, but I have made it back and then some, it is what happens with invested money, you do know that don't you?



OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.
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Reply #37 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:33am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:16am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:03am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?


Yeh and rely on some super scammer to lose all of your savings every time there is share market melt down !! I think we all deserve better than that !



You are one of life's little failures aren't you?


Only you could fail as miserably as you have during one of Australia's most prosperous times, you sad fkk.




How much did you lose in the crash ?



The one that happened 9 years ago?

A hundred K or so, but I have made it back and then some, it is what happens with invested money, you do know that don't you?



OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.



Losing a $100k is no small loss for anyone, but I did make it back in about the same time as you. It was not unscrupulous super investor, it was just the arse fell out of everything. I did not cry like a little nails bitch, just kept on going just like I was supposed to,


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Reply #38 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:38am
 
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The Per Capita report cautioned against assumptions that working longer is achievable, beneficial and desirable for everyone.

Australians are being asked to work longer without a clear sense of whether this is a realistic expectation

“The availability and quality of paid work and how those not in work will build and maintain a sense of identity are issues of importance for ageing in Australia that have received little consideration.”

As The New Daily has reported, there are certain occupation groups – such as construction workers – for whom longer careers are physically impossible

“The potential dignity of retirement for those in certain occupational groups for whom paid work is a near impossibility is also being overlooked by many advocates and policy makers.”


The article and a number of posters seem to make the false assumption that the Government do not understand where the truth is more that they don't give a rats ....

This isn't about retirement age it is about when they have to start paying for it.

It isn't that they do not understand that manual workers can not work till 70 it is that they don't give a damn about workers, that's their problem.

They don't seem to get that "assumptions that working longer is achievable" is irrelevant, they don't care if it is or not as long as they don't have to pay for it.

Much better to give huge tax cuts to big business.
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Reply #39 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:47am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am:
OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.



Losing a $100k is no small loss for anyone, but I did make it back in about the same time as you. It was not unscrupulous super investor, it was just the arse fell out of everything. I did not cry like a little nails bitch, just kept on going just like I was supposed to,




It looks small from my perspective having lost many multiples of that. Neither of ours were due to unscrupulous or incompetent investors. I doubt that Nail was specifically pointing at you or me when he made his comment. There are poor performing players in the market and there are rip offs.

However the nature of the market is risk and one day it may not work out. Remember as well that these down turns don't stop when you retire.


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Reply #40 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am:
OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.



Losing a $100k is no small loss for anyone, but I did make it back in about the same time as you. It was not unscrupulous super investor, it was just the arse fell out of everything. I did not cry like a little nails bitch, just kept on going just like I was supposed to,




It looks small from my perspective having lost many multiples of that. Neither of ours were due to unscrupulous or incompetent investors. I doubt that Nail was specifically pointing at you or me when he made his comment. There are poor performing players in the market and there are rip offs.

However the nature of the market is risk and one day it may not work out. Remember as well that these down turns don't stop when you retire.




Yeah a mate of mine dropped an absolute bundle, but as you do, sucked it up and made most of it back. It happens in the big numbers too.  Smiley


It is about risk, the higher the risk, the higher the loss / reward.



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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?


I do but you realise that if you have over $800K you don't get the pension anyway ?

You can do ok under $600K with a part pension.


hello - if you need to retire at 60 you'll have to survive on
say 100K or 200k of super - it will soon run out before you reach 70.


Unfortunately as you likely know retirement in those terms is not viable, you would have to claim unemployment benefit and look to subsidise that from your super that I think you can draw a proportion after 60.

If you found yourself in that position some professional advice would come in handy but it may not be as bleak as you may think.
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Reply #42 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 1:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:53am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:22am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 1:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:18pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 6:58am:
Arthur Caboolture, Queensland
People aged 50 to 70 will be expected to bounce all over town looking for 30 non-existent jobs a week until their 70th birthdays. Centerlink will crucify them for missing appointments, which will happen when you're middle-eged to elderly and stressed to buggery by all this and need to see your doctor frequently and are unable to get bulk-billed. They'll lose their benefits at the drop of a hat and have to sell their homes and downsize to caravan parks, which will become a real growth industry. Watch the suicide rate in that age bracket to go through the roof!
That's my vision for the future.
God help us!!!!!!!   Sad


That's what they want. They want you to sell your house to a chinaman or one of these parasitic investors Sad



It's a scandal -
we paid for others to get the pension from heavy taxes
but we won't get it ourselves.

It's the ultimate theft.


Bobby, you have a welfare entitlement mentality. Why don't you expect to be financially self-sufficient at age 60+?



I don't have enough super & I have more than most people.

My financial advisor said I'd need $600 K &
I have no where near that.



How many people here have over $600K in super?


I do but you realise that if you have over $800K you don't get the pension anyway ?

You can do ok under $600K with a part pension.


hello - if you need to retire at 60 you'll have to survive on
say 100K or 200k of super - it will soon run out before you reach 70.


Unfortunately as you likely know retirement in those terms is not viable, you would have to claim unemployment benefit and look to subsidise that from your super that I think you can draw a proportion after 60.

If you found yourself in that position some professional advice would come in handy but it may not be as bleak as you may think.



Try to survive for 10 years on say $200K when you still have a mortgage to pay.
When you're over 60 -  no one will give you a job.
Centerlink will make you jump through hoops to
get a lousy $242 per week.

It's very bleak indeed for so many hard working Australians over 60.
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Reply #43 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.
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Reply #44 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.
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Reply #45 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?
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Reply #46 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 1:50pm:
Try to survive for 10 years on say $200K when you still have a mortgage to pay.
When you're over 60 -  no one will give you a job.
Centerlink will make you jump through hoops to
get a lousy $242 per week.

It's very bleak indeed for so many hard working Australians over 60.


Yes: hit the nail on the head - It's very bleak indeed for so many hard working Australians over 60.

Very many have had the Rug pulled out from under them just when they thought it would be ok, not great just ok.
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Reply #47 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?




Yes to first question -

No to 2nd question.
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Reply #48 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 1:50pm:
Try to survive for 10 years on say $200K when you still have a mortgage to pay.
When you're over 60 -  no one will give you a job.
Centerlink will make you jump through hoops to
get a lousy $242 per week.

It's very bleak indeed for so many hard working Australians over 60.


Yes: hit the nail on the head - It's very bleak indeed for so many hard working Australians over 60.

Very many have had the Rug pulled out from under them just when they thought it would be ok, not great just ok.



The Govt. should offer assisted suicide for those over 60
who can't stand poverty anymore.
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?


No.


Good move. I reckon naming your business Hire a Hubby would dissuade many male customers.


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Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?


No.


Good move. I reckon naming your business Hire a Hubby would dissuade many male customers.





Hire a Hubby give rip off prices in their quotes for things such as painting a room.
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Reply #51 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?


No.


Good move. I reckon naming your business Hire a Hubby would dissuade many male customers.





Hire a Hubby give rip off prices in their quotes for things such as painting a room.


Have you hired a hubby?
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Reply #52 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?


No.


Good move. I reckon naming your business Hire a Hubby would dissuade many male customers.





Hire a Hubby give rip off prices in their quotes for things such as painting a room.


Have you hired a hubby?



No - I got a quote once from HAH to paint & fix my place before I sold it.
I got a 2nd quote for 1/3 rd the price from some proper tradespeople..
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 7:51am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:49pm:
I never want to stop working. I love my work Smiley



I like it when I have something interesting to do.


I reckon using a theodolite would be interesting.



I like fixing things - mechanical, electrical & electronic.
I like sharpening: tools, knives & scissors -
anything to keep me busy.


Are you a handyman? Do you have a Hire a Hubby franchise?


No.


Good move. I reckon naming your business Hire a Hubby would dissuade many male customers.





Hire a Hubby give rip off prices in their quotes for things such as painting a room.


Have you hired a hubby?



No - I got a quote once from HAH to paint & fix my place before I sold it.
I got a 2nd quote for 1/3 rd the price from some proper tradespeople..


That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?
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That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?




1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:
That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?




1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?


Maybe not 1/3 rd, but my wife's done tax returns for franchise holders that that have to kick about 25% back to the owners.

It's like working for the mafia.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:
That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?




1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?


Maybe not 1/3 rd, but my wife's done tax returns for franchise holders that that have to kick about 25% back to the owners.

It's like working for the mafia.



No wonder their quotes are excessive.

What a rip-off.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:
That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?


1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?


Maybe not 1/3 rd, but my wife's done tax returns for franchise holders that that have to kick about 25% back to the owners.

It's like working for the mafia.


No wonder their quotes are excessive.

What a rip-off.


Perhaps HAH provides a bonus service you did not enquire about?
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Unforgiven wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:
That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?


1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?


Maybe not 1/3 rd, but my wife's done tax returns for franchise holders that that have to kick about 25% back to the owners.

It's like working for the mafia.


No wonder their quotes are excessive.

What a rip-off.


Perhaps HAH provides a bonus service you did not enquire about?



What service would that be Dr Caligari?
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 2:45pm:
That's because the HAH guy has to give 1/3 rd of the money to head office.
SMH at people who guy a franchise.

What happens if a woman wants to buy a HAH franchise?


1/3 rd of the money - you're joking?


Maybe not 1/3 rd, but my wife's done tax returns for franchise holders that that have to kick about 25% back to the owners.

It's like working for the mafia.


No wonder their quotes are excessive.

What a rip-off.


Perhaps HAH provides a bonus service you did not enquire about?


What service would that be Dr Caligari?


Dalliance.
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Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am:
OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.



Losing a $100k is no small loss for anyone, but I did make it back in about the same time as you. It was not unscrupulous super investor, it was just the arse fell out of everything. I did not cry like a little nails bitch, just kept on going just like I was supposed to,




It looks small from my perspective having lost many multiples of that. Neither of ours were due to unscrupulous or incompetent investors. I doubt that Nail was specifically pointing at you or me when he made his comment. There are poor performing players in the market and there are rip offs.

However the nature of the market is risk and one day it may not work out. Remember as well that these down turns don't stop when you retire.




The problem with most of these so called "fund managers" or financial advisors is the lack of risk management which leave your heard earned money exposed to market falls and collapses. They are prolific during a bull market but as soon as the markets turn south they go and crawl under a rock not to be seen for years until the markets come back up again and fickle investors with short memories are willing to forget their gross incompetence. Kind of like crabs that come in with the tied, dry up in the sun and get swept back out with the tide !!
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Reply #61 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:47am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 11:28am:
OK so you had a small investment and didn't lose much, Mine took about 3 to 4 years to get back.

The point made by Nail is valid, we do need to cross our fingers with market investment dependant savings it can go very badly and there are unscrupulous players it is largely unregulated and because money is rorted over such a long period of time it is difficult to catch.



Losing a $100k is no small loss for anyone, but I did make it back in about the same time as you. It was not unscrupulous super investor, it was just the arse fell out of everything. I did not cry like a little nails bitch, just kept on going just like I was supposed to,




It looks small from my perspective having lost many multiples of that. Neither of ours were due to unscrupulous or incompetent investors. I doubt that Nail was specifically pointing at you or me when he made his comment. There are poor performing players in the market and there are rip offs.

However the nature of the market is risk and one day it may not work out. Remember as well that these down turns don't stop when you retire.




The problem with most of these so called "fund managers" or financial advisors is the lack of risk management which leave your heard earned money exposed to market falls and collapses. They are prolific during a bull market but as soon as the markets turn south they go and crawl under a rock not to be seen for years until the markets come back up again and fickle investors with short memories are willing to forget their gross incompetence. Kind of like crabs that come in with the tied, dry up in the sun and get swept back out with the tide !!


My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.
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Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.




Well - bully for you.

What about the 95% of hard working people who
will be left destitute & unable to work after the age of 60?
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Reply #63 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.




Well - bully for you.

What about the 95% of hard working people who
will be left destitute & unable to work after the age of 60?


Why don't you retire to Thailand or Bali?

Your money will go much further there.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.




Well - bully for you.

What about the 95% of hard working people who
will be left destitute & unable to work after the age of 60?


Why don't you retire to Thailand or Bali?

Your money will go much further there.



I am still hoping to work in my job & be one of the lucky ones who makes it alive till 70.
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Reply #65 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 9:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.




Well - bully for you.

What about the 95% of hard working people who
will be left destitute & unable to work after the age of 60?


Why don't you retire to Thailand or Bali?

Your money will go much further there.


Yes great idea but haven't you heard. There is already talking of cutting off pensions for those living abroad. They want you to live in squalor here and fuel their fake economy with your pension moneys Sad
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Reply #66 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:15pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 9:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
My retirement is all planned.
Even though I have too much to be eligable for a part pension, I plan to retire 5-7 years earlier than the pension age.
Living on a comfortable income without grubberment aid for those first 7 years will bring my super balance down to below the threshold  (with a little fiddling and inventive accounting) they can only go back 5 years on any gifting and such.

This means I will get my retirement income early, get part pension and have some cash on the side.

The grubberment is too stooopid to stop me.
Everything will be legal and above board.
Simply because tge grubberment had to leave loopholes for themselves.

I plan to have my cake and eat it too.




Well - bully for you.

What about the 95% of hard working people who
will be left destitute & unable to work after the age of 60?


Why don't you retire to Thailand or Bali?

Your money will go much further there.


Yes great idea but haven't you heard. There is already talking of cutting off pensions for those living abroad. They want you to live in squalor here and fuel their fake economy with your pension moneys Sad



I heard about it sir Nail.
If you can't afford to live in the big city they
won't let you go overseas to spend your pension.
They will force you to die to poverty in Australia.
It's a crime against humanity.

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Reply #67 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm
 
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then Lostnail.
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Reply #68 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 6:55am
 
rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm:
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then sir Nail.


Yes - that is a good option.
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Reply #69 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am
 
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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Reply #70 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:23am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL



Is it time for a French revolution? -

let them eat cake  was enough then.



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Reply #71 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:33am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL


X2

They shouldn't be above the law............ Cool
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Reply #72 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:18am
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL


What are your thoughts on the retirement payments for retired politicians?
Bill O'Chee and Natasha Stott Despoja retired in their early 30s and are on an indexed pension for life, possible 60 years.

Many are retiring in their mid 50s on $200k

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Reply #73 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:18am:
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL


What are your thoughts on the retirement payments for retired politicians?
Bill O'Chee and Natasha Stott Despoja retired in their early 30s and are on an indexed pension for life, possible 60 years.

Many are retiring in their mid 50s on $200k



Where's the assets for these leaches......?!?!

And every other law we are subjected to.

More than half are already wealthy and wouldn't get the pension if they didn't get into parliament.

Last time I looked and it was quite some time ago I think back in the 1990's the political system was costing $60 billion per annum back then.
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Reply #74 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:38am
 
rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm:
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then Lostnail.


yeh just keep flogging off the housing stock to the chinese and see how far you get in your one off fire sale. Don't hold your breath on the chinese giving your kids a job and a future. They are keeping all of the good jobs for themselves and taking what's left of what we got. IDIOTS !!
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Reply #75 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:41am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:18am:
Valkie wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
What we, as the Australian voting public, need to do is force the grubberment to put tge same requirements onto themselves as they have forced on us.

If we must wait until 70,
So must ALL public servants and politicians.......no exceptions.

If we must meet draconian assett test rules,
So must ALL public servants...........no exceptions.

If we muse suffer the stupidity of the system,
So must ALL public servants.

Just because they make the rules, does not mean that they can abuse them.

We must have a class action to force these parasites to abide by the same rules and regulation that they have imposed upon us.

The sad truth however, and this is one of the only smart things the grubberment has everv done.
Is to link judges retirement benifits to the same system that politicians enjoy.
They know that the parasite judges would never cut off their own income, no matter how unjust it may be.

Judges, politicians, senior public servants, parasitesvall.
Never do anything worthwhile, just suck the ststem dry.

A POX ON THEM ALLL


What are your thoughts on the retirement payments for retired politicians?
Bill O'Chee and Natasha Stott Despoja retired in their early 30s and are on an indexed pension for life, possible 60 years.

Many are retiring in their mid 50s on $200k



Why don't they get a job and work till they are 70 like they expect the rest of to do ? Maybe because most of them are unemployable which is the reason why they are in politics in the first place.
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Reply #76 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:38am:
rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm:
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then Lostnail.


yeh just keep flogging off the housing stock to the chinese and see how far you get in your one off fire sale. Don't hold your breath on the chinese giving your kids a job and a future. They are keeping all of the good jobs for themselves and taking what's left of what we got. IDIOTS !!


Wouldn't the IDIOTS !! be those who rent and have made no provision for their future, always at the mercy of landlords.
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Reply #77 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 11:46am
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:38am:
rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm:
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then Lostnail.


yeh just keep flogging off the housing stock to the chinese and see how far you get in your one off fire sale. Don't hold your breath on the chinese giving your kids a job and a future. They are keeping all of the good jobs for themselves and taking what's left of what we got. IDIOTS !!


Wouldn't the IDIOTS !! be those who rent and have made no provision for their future, always at the mercy of landlords. 


Many people are never in a position to buy a home or run into other circumstances to leave them in financial strain through no fault of their own.

Relationships do break down with devastating results and people do find themselves suddenly unemployed over 50 with little chance of gaining higher paid employment if any at all.
Many people who look down their noses at some a little less fortunate are in a better position purely through luck.
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Reply #78 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:07pm
 
At the turn of the 20th century, the average life expectancy was about 50 years. Few people retired and would only do so unless they were physically unable to. After WW2, most retirees lived for about 5 - 15 years, while pensions consumed about 7% of government revenue.

We now live during a time where most elderly people will live well beyond 80 years. I'm a part of Gen Y. By the time I retire, medical advances will probably allow me to live to 100 and beyond and still be in relatively good physical shape. It is unreasonable to expect governments in the future to fund retirees for 30+ years without massive increases to taxes. Personally, I can't see myself retiring before 80 if I'm just going to spend my retired days watching Netflix and playing antique video games.

Meanwhile, the retiree population is expected to exceed the working population. Given that automation will reduce the need for manual labor, it would be reasonable if governments shifted from Income Tax as their main source of revenue towards Sales Taxes.

How society will cope when we're practically immortal is beyond me. I'd imagine that there won't be such a thing as retirement, instead people will take gap years until such time that their funds run low, after which they'll return to work. That's unless we all become Technocrats, in which case it won't matter. However, you'd now have to deal with increases in mental illness from people being bored after they get sick of a perpetual Saturnalia.
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Reply #79 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:53pm
 
minarchist wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
At the turn of the 20th century, the average life expectancy was about 50 years. Few people retired and would only do so unless they were physically unable to. After WW2, most retirees lived for about 5 - 15 years, while pensions consumed about 7% of government revenue.

We now live during a time where most elderly people will live well beyond 80 years. I'm a part of Gen Y. By the time I retire, medical advances will probably allow me to live to 100 and beyond and still be in relatively good physical shape. It is unreasonable to expect governments in the future to fund retirees for 30+ years without massive increases to taxes. Personally, I can't see myself retiring before 80 if I'm just going to spend my retired days watching Netflix and playing antique video games.

Meanwhile, the retiree population is expected to exceed the working population. Given that automation will reduce the need for manual labor, it would be reasonable if governments shifted from Income Tax as their main source of revenue towards Sales Taxes.

How society will cope when we're practically immortal is beyond me. I'd imagine that there won't be such a thing as retirement, instead people will take gap years until such time that their funds run low, after which they'll return to work. That's unless we all become Technocrats, in which case it won't matter. However, you'd now have to deal with increases in mental illness from people being bored after they get sick of a perpetual Saturnalia.


they'll return to work

what work?
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Reply #80 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:58am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 10:38am:
rhino wrote on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 10:20pm:
If you own a house you could rent it out and live quite well just from the rental in Asia. Guess that lets you out then Lostnail.


yeh just keep flogging off the housing stock to the chinese and see how far you get in your one off fire sale. Don't hold your breath on the chinese giving your kids a job and a future. They are keeping all of the good jobs for themselves and taking what's left of what we got. IDIOTS !!
I said rent, not sell you dufus.
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