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donincognito

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #90 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:55pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

In engineering women are paid the same as men.

I would also say this would be the case for all women with a degree in

Accounting
Economics
Medicine
Science
Chemistry
Biological
Law
Commerce
Business

It's not the gender but your qualification that earns you your pay and then your commitment and dedication after that..... Kiss

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donincognito wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

I know you aren't going to and instead are going to make stupid arguments that are already refuted in the article.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #91 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of female employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

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You just provided a very clear example of why government departments in this country are not run very well. Quotas for females and minorities regardless of ability.

Indeed.

A sensible employer hires the best person for the job.

Full stop.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #92 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

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So you automatically assume that women have no experience in the field and will take months to get up to speed? Thats a pretty dim view of half of the population.

But just to make you feel better, we will assume that only capable and qualified men and women apply for the job.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #93 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:57pm

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

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You just provided a very clear example of why government departments in this country are not run very well. Quotas for females and minorities regardless of ability.

Thats not the reason why government departments are poorly run. They are poorly run because they are still dominated by men.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #94 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:46pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

You set a quota.

Just for women?

That's a bit unfair.

What about disabled people, homosexuals, Buddhists, fat people, etc.?

Lowest hanging fruit first my friend, then equality for all. Precious broflakes cant handle too much change at once. Just look at the shitstorm thats resulted from saying women aren't paid the same.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #95 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So you automatically assume that women have no experience in the field and will take months to get up to speed? Thats a pretty dim view of half of the population.

No.

That was just one example.

Here's another one, equally ridiculous.

"Julie was clearly more qualified than Greg, and she has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Greg has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of male employees so I'll be giving the job to Greg".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Greg up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #96 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of female employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

You just provided a very clear example of why government departments in this country are not run very well. Quotas for females and minorities regardless of ability.

Indeed.

A sensible employer hires the best person for the job.

Full stop.

And yet the world is full of examples of this not being the case.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #97 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So you automatically assume that women have no experience in the field and will take months to get up to speed? Thats a pretty dim view of half of the population.

No.

That was just one example.

Here's another one, equally ridiculous.

"Julie was clearly more qualified than Greg, and she has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Greg has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of male employees so I'll be giving the job to Greg".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Greg up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Ridiculous for a completely different reason though. Noone is calling for male quotas because males are already over represented.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #98 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:01pm

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:46pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

You set a quota.

Just for women?

That's a bit unfair.

What about disabled people, homosexuals, Buddhists, fat people, etc.?

Lowest hanging fruit first my friend, then equality for all. Precious broflakes cant handle too much change at once. Just look at the shitstorm thats resulted from saying women aren't paid the same.

Take a look at these: https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agreements/awards/modern-awards/modern-awards-...

Can you find just ONE that has lower rates for women?

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #99 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:01pm

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:55pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

In engineering women are paid the same as men.

I would also say this would be the case for all women with a degree in

Accounting
Economics
Medicine
Science
Chemistry
Biological
Law
Commerce
Business

It's not the gender but your qualification that earns you your pay and then your commitment and dedication after that..... Kiss

Kiss

http://i.imgur.com/OgnghYk.jpg

donincognito wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

I know you aren't going to and instead are going to make stupid arguments that are already refuted in the article.

I don't know any graduates who are women and get payed less than the boys when they first take up a job in their profession.

So I'ld say that's BULLSHIT...................!!

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #100 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:05pm

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So you automatically assume that women have no experience in the field and will take months to get up to speed? Thats a pretty dim view of half of the population.

No.

That was just one example.

Here's another one, equally ridiculous.

"Julie was clearly more qualified than Greg, and she has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Greg has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of male employees so I'll be giving the job to Greg".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Greg up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Ridiculous for a completely different reason though. Noone is calling for male quotas because males are already over represented.

A 50/50 quota means half men, and half women.

Year nine maths, innit?

If a company with a 50/50 quota has too many women, it's going to start hiring men (based on their genitals and not on their ability).

That's ridiculous.

Just as ridiculous as hiring women just because they are women.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #101 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:33pm

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Thats not the reason why government departments are poorly run. They are poorly run because they are still dominated by men.

Identity politics gone full retard.

They're poorly run because they don't encourage a strong and responsible work ethic. If your boss has a poor and/or lax work ethic, this shows in the workers.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #102 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:01pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:46pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

You set a quota.

Just for women?

That's a bit unfair.

What about disabled people, homosexuals, Buddhists, fat people, etc.?

Lowest hanging fruit first my friend, then equality for all. Precious broflakes cant handle too much change at once. Just look at the shitstorm thats resulted from saying women aren't paid the same.

Take a look at these: https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agreements/awards/modern-awards/modern-awards-...

Can you find just ONE that has lower rates for women?

I dont know why you keep harping on about this one point. I get it. Modern awards dont discriminate. Thats lovely. Truly it is.

And yet the fact still remains that there is a gender pay gap.

Given that, as you so correctly point out, the awards arent to blame, what do you think the problem is?

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #103 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:38pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:01pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:55pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

In engineering women are paid the same as men.

I would also say this would be the case for all women with a degree in

Accounting
Economics
Medicine
Science
Chemistry
Biological
Law
Commerce
Business

It's not the gender but your qualification that earns you your pay and then your commitment and dedication after that..... Kiss

Kiss

http://i.imgur.com/OgnghYk.jpg

donincognito wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

I know you aren't going to and instead are going to make stupid arguments that are already refuted in the article.

I don't know any graduates who are women and get payed less than the boys when they first take up a job in their profession.

So I'ld say that's BULLSHIT...................!!

The plural of anecdote is not data. Your experience is not the same experience of everyone. The fact you personally havent seen it to be an issue clearly doesnt mean it isnt one.

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Re: Myths busted on the gender pay gap
Reply #104 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:05pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:58pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm:

donincognito wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 1:33pm:

If that's who the employer wants, that's who'll they employ.

You can't tell an employer who to hire.

Yes you can. You set a quota. Thats sort of the point.

"Mark was clearly more qualified than Karen, and he has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Karen has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of females employees so I'll be giving the job to Karen".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Karen up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So you automatically assume that women have no experience in the field and will take months to get up to speed? Thats a pretty dim view of half of the population.

No.

That was just one example.

Here's another one, equally ridiculous.

"Julie was clearly more qualified than Greg, and she has 10 years experience in a similar position, whereas Greg has no experience with this kind of work at all."

"However, we are well under our quota of male employees so I'll be giving the job to Greg".

"It doesn't matter that our clients will suffer, and that it will take months to train Greg up to an acceptable standard".

"It's the quota that matters".

Ridiculous for a completely different reason though. Noone is calling for male quotas because males are already over represented.

A 50/50 quota means half men, and half women.

Year nine maths, innit?

If a company with a 50/50 quota has too many women, it's going to start hiring men (based on their genitals and not on their ability).

That's ridiculous.

Just as ridiculous as hiring women just because they are women.

Again, noone is calling for quotas for males, because males are already over-represented in positions of power.

Stop building up a strawman. Noone is buying that argument.

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