Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 9
Send Topic Print
redefining freedom of speech (Read 2778 times)
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 37563
I like fish
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #15 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm
 
Quote:
no need to guess, it's all there in black and white.


John are you saying that you think people literally have a right to say stupid things without being mocked for saying stupid things? And the other apologists who insisted you didn't really mean what you said were in fact wrong, but you didn't have the heart to break it to them?

Quote:
I didn't invent anything, you have a long and recorded history of Islamaphobia


John don't you think it is a bit silly to prance around blaming everything on Islamophobia while also covering your ears and insisting you don't give a sh1t about her absurd gaffs on feminism and her misuse of public funds? By any reasonable measure, that makes you opinion on the matter invalid. Do you really think it is impossible to criticise Islam without being an Islamophobe?

Quote:
As I told you 3 or 4 times already, I am defending her right to her opionion.


From what? Criticism? Or is someone trying to kill her like they do with cartoonists in Europe?

Quote:
But you for some reason can't accept that.


You were validating the other apologists who were insisting that you do not really mean the silly things you said, as well as crying victimhood at being misunderstood, then refusing to answer simple questions. If you think people have to right to spew idiocy and demand everyone responds by being polite and not criticising them, then own your opinion. You are, after all, entitled to it, remember?

Quote:
In my opinion you and her are both as nuts as each other, just on opposite sides of the coin.


Oh look, you aren't afraid to criticise her after all. Just as long as it is carefully measured with equal criticism of a non-Muslim, in case Brian calls you an Islamophobe.

Quote:
Actually, pretty sure I made clear my reason on why people turned on her.


I'm pretty sure people turned on her for their own reasons, not yours. Or are you having trouble meaning what you say again? Crystal clear, innit?

Quote:
This is the first I can recall hearing of this book tour, and knowing your propensity to twist things. I'm just not prepared to give an opinion based on what you say.


Would it be fair to say that your opinion is based on ignorance then? Willful ignorance even, give your proclamations about not giving a sh1t, despite my repeated efforts to point it out to you?
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #16 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
John are you saying that you think people literally have a right to say stupid things without being mocked for saying stupid things?


criticism? is that what you call it?  Grin Grin
criticism is one thing FD, what she's had to put up with goes far beyond criticism.

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
John don't you think it is a bit silly to prance around blaming everything on Islamophobia while also covering your ears and insisting you don't give a sh1t about her absurd gaffs on feminism and her misuse of public funds?


nothing silly about calling out islamaphobia FD.

Tell me, why is it only stupid comments from muslims that warrant comments from you? I've never once seen you comment on a stupid comment from anyone else. What's the difference apart from their religion?

If it looks and acts and sounds like an islamaphobe, I'm going to call it an Islamaphobe

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
From what? Criticism? Or is someone trying to kill her like they do with cartoonists in Europe?

see, you trying to relate cartoonist in europe with her shows exactly why I think your an islamaphobe. Criticise (not vilify) her for what she did or said, not for something she had no more to do with than you.

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
You were validating the other apologists who were insisting that you do not really mean the silly things you said, as well as crying victimhood at being misunderstood, then refusing to answer simple questions.

validating the other apologists?  Grin Grin Grin Grin get real FD. You ask for my reasons, but instead of accepting my answer, you make up your own.

Save everyone a lot of time and trouble and answer your questions yourself next time.


freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
Oh look, you aren't afraid to criticise her after all

I told you several times I wasn't. You insisted.

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
I'm pretty sure people turned on her for their own reasons, not yours.

but your reasons are acceptable?

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
Or are you having trouble meaning what you say again?

no, only one if us is having to pretend the other said something they didn't. ANd it wasn't me.

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
Would it be fair to say that your opinion is based on ignorance then?

less so than yours. At least I can point to my reasons in front of me. You on the other hand ......






Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
Karnal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 48830
Gender: female
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
John for someone who constantly whines about people putting words into your mouth, you are remarkably reluctant to put your own there



Yes, the most evasive member here DID say this.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Karnal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 48830
Gender: female
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm:
He did not mean what you have taken it to mean.


FD knows that, but if FD isn't pretending I said something different to what i said, he wouldn't be able to argue his point.


Indeed, when FD isn't squirming, he's telling you what you think.

Google: taqiyya.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
John for someone who constantly whines about people putting words into your mouth, you are remarkably reluctant to put your own there



Yes, the most evasive member here DID say this.


I know I chuckled when I read it Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 37563
I like fish
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #20 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 
Quote:
criticism? is that what you call it?  Grin Grin
criticism is one thing FD, what she's had to put up with goes far beyond criticism.


Can you put a name on it, if it is not criticism? And do you really think she has some kind of "right" not to recieve it after all the stupid things she has said and done?

Quote:
nothing silly about calling out islamaphobia FD.


That's great John. Would you like to respond to what I actually said: John don't you think it is a bit silly to prance around blaming everything on Islamophobia while also covering your ears and insisting you don't give a sh1t about her absurd gaffs on feminism and her misuse of public funds?

Quote:
Tell me, why is it only stupid comments from muslims that warrant comments from you?


My bad. I didn't realise you are a Muslim. People like you and Brian must have a hard time keeping a careful balance of criticising Muslims and non Muslims in the correct measure.

Quote:
You ask for my reasons, but instead of accepting my answer, you make up your own.


I did not ask your reasons. I asked if you meant what you really said, because you were validating the apologists (hi Aussie) who leapt to your defence by saying you obviously didn't mean it, on account of what you actually said being so stupid. You responded with even more elaborate tapdancing.

Quote:
but your reasons are acceptable?


No less acceptable than yours John. Why is it Islamophobia when others call her nuts, or a non-entity, but not when you do it?

Quote:
less so than yours. At least I can point to my reasons in front of me. You on the other hand ......


Your reasons are ignorance. You are disinterested to the point of hostility in what she actually did to deserve all the criticism she gets. You carefully build up your ignorance, and into this self-imposed knowledge vacuum you project your idiotic fantasies about Islamophobia being behind everyone else's criticism of Yassmin, but not yours. Your opinion is based entirely on ignorance. No amount of BS excuses can make up for the fact you have no clue what you are talking about and do not even want to know. But that doesn't stop you telling everyone else the real reason why they think what they think.

You are ignorant John, and your ill-conceived theory about Islamophobia being behind this is entirely based on your ignorance and rejection of reality.
Back to top
 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5765
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #21 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Grin Grin Grin
FD you are reasoning with your pet rock called Gino Smidt.

...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #22 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Can you put a name on it, if it is not criticism?



would you call comments like
'kill yourself'
'please stop breathing'
'be good when you announce you have cancer'
'filthy dog'
'poo slag'
'I'd run her over'
what about calls for her to return to where she came from to be raped or heheaded?


I think we passed the point of 'criticism' long ago, right FD? Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 19234
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #23 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Can you put a name on it, if it is not criticism?



would you call comments like
'kill yourself'
'please stop breathing'
'be good when you announce you have cancer'
'filthy dog'
'poo slag'
'I'd run her over'
what about calls for her to return to where she came from to be raped or heheaded?


I think we passed the point of 'criticism' long ago, right FD? Cheesy Cheesy


Ahem

FD...you might like to ask if he's biologcally related to the person making these comments.

Why?

He makes the very same comments online.

Hence why he's currently banned everywhere.

Just a heads up  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Quote by a member re THE EX CABBIE DRIVER :

You do realise that your avatar depicts you as a skinny legged, no balls, puffed up chest and the dumbest looking face nobody would own, don't ya?  Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 19234
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #24 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:32pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Grin Grin Grin
FD you are reasoning with your pet rock called Gino Smidt.

http://beafunmum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dreamstime_s_20093731.jpg


Nope....he's not Italian.

Fact!
Back to top
 

Quote by a member re THE EX CABBIE DRIVER :

You do realise that your avatar depicts you as a skinny legged, no balls, puffed up chest and the dumbest looking face nobody would own, don't ya?  Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #25 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
My bad. I didn't realise you are a Muslim

what sort of stupidity is that? I'm no more muslim than you. That doesn't make my point any less valid

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Your reasons are ignorance. Y

Face it FD, for you anything short of frothing at the mouth over ISlam is ignorance. You'll have to forgive me for laughing at you right now

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
You are disinterested to the point of hostility in what she actually did to deserve all the criticism she gets

what she got was far beyond criticsm. You allow criticism on here FD? And yet, I bet if I put up the 'criticism' she received and directed it to Lisa you'd ban me for another month

freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
You are ignorant John, and your ill-conceived theory about Islamophobia being behind this is entirely based on your ignorance and rejection of reality.


Not as ignorant as you FD. No one who calls demands that one kills themselves or deserves to be raped 'criticism' should ever play the ignorance card

Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #26 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:34pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Can you put a name on it, if it is not criticism?



would you call comments like
'kill yourself'
'please stop breathing'
'be good when you announce you have cancer'
'filthy dog'
'poo slag'
'I'd run her over'
what about calls for her to return to where she came from to be raped or heheaded?


I think we passed the point of 'criticism' long ago, right FD? Cheesy Cheesy


Ahem

FD...you might like to ask if he's biologcally related to the person making these comments.

Why?

He makes the very same comments online.

Hence why he's currently banned everywhere.

Just a heads up  Roll Eyes



and I'll bet you won't find a single comment from me asking for any of those. But we all know reality has never been your forte. Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #27 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
Grin Grin Grin
FD you are reasoning with your pet rock called Gino Smidt.

http://beafunmum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dreamstime_s_20093731.jpg



wow frank, I'm not sure how FD ever managed without your dumb contribution. I'm sure he'll be ever so grateful that you were able to share your wisdom. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
Lisa Jones
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 19234
Sydney
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #28 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:42pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:34pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Can you put a name on it, if it is not criticism?



would you call comments like
'kill yourself'
'please stop breathing'
'be good when you announce you have cancer'
'filthy dog'
'poo slag'
'I'd run her over'
what about calls for her to return to where she came from to be raped or heheaded?


I think we passed the point of 'criticism' long ago, right FD? Cheesy Cheesy


Ahem

FD...you might like to ask if he's biologcally related to the person making these comments.

Why?

He makes the very same comments online.

Hence why he's currently banned everywhere.

Just a heads up  Roll Eyes



and I'll bet you won't find a single comment from me asking for any of those. But we all know reality has never been your forte. Cheesy Cheesy


I don't need to find anything.

FD has these (and many other) comments from you....compliments of the OzPol reporting abuse system.

.......and your 56 THOUSAND rubbish/abuse driven posts you machine gun here.

Oh and ummm you're banned all the time and from everywhere you post "John".

Ever thought of why that might be??? Shocked
Back to top
 

Quote by a member re THE EX CABBIE DRIVER :

You do realise that your avatar depicts you as a skinny legged, no balls, puffed up chest and the dumbest looking face nobody would own, don't ya?  Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 58817
Gender: male
Re: redefining freedom of speech
Reply #29 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:45pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
I don't need to find anything.


of course not.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Back to top
 

REPORTER: The condition of the budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?

TONY ABBOTT: Exactly right. We will keep the commitments that we make.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 9
Send Topic Print