Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 11
Send Topic Print
MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data (Read 10623 times)
President Elect, The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17501
Gender: male
MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Jul 16th, 2017 at 12:53pm
 
Quote:
MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data In New Report: In No Way A “Valid Representation of Reality”


A new report which analyzed key global warming metrics such as Global Average Surface Temperature (GAST), the NOAA and HADLEY, confirms President Trump was correct in pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement.

SHFTPLan reports:

According to the report, which has been peer reviewed by administrators, scientists and researchers from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.), and several of America’s leading universities, the data is completely bunk:

In this research report, the most important surface data adjustment issues are identified and past changes in the previously reported historical data are quantified. It was found that each new version of GAST has nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history. And, it was nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern. This was true for all three entities providing GAST data measurement, NOAA, NASA and Hadley CRU.

As a result, this research sought to validate the current estimates of GAST using the best available relevant data. This included the best documented and understood data sets from the U.S. and elsewhere as well as global data from satellites that provide far more extensive global coverage and are not contaminated by bad siting and urbanization impacts. Satellite data integrity also benefits from having cross checks with Balloon data.

The conclusive findings of this research are that the three GAST data sets are not a valid representation of reality.

In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.

Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published GAST data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever –despite current claims of record setting warming.

Finally, since GAST data set validity is a necessary condition for EPA’s GHG/CO2 Endangerment Finding, it too is invalidated by these research findings. (Full Abstract Report)

Fulfilling a key campaign promise, President Trump shocked the world by pulling out of the Paris agreement. Axios’ Johnathan Swan was the first to report the President would pull out of the agreement.

On May 31st, Axios reported:

President Trump has made his decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the decision. Details on how the withdrawal will be executed are being worked out by a small team including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. They’re deciding on whether to initiate a full, formal withdrawal — which could take 3 years — or exit the underlying United Nations climate change treaty, which would be faster but more extreme.

Why this matters: Pulling out of Paris is the biggest thing Trump could do to unravel Obama’s climate legacy. It sends a combative signal to the rest of the world that America doesn’t prioritize climate change and threatens to unravel the ambition of the entire deal.

The other outliers: The only other two countries that aren’t supporting the deal are Nicaragua and Syria.

How it happened: A letter from 22 Republican Senators (including Mitch McConnell) that called for a clean exit had reinforced Trump’s instincts to withdraw, and the president had been telling confidants over the past week that he was going to pull out.

It’s no surprise that members of the liberal establishment shifted into meltdown mode following the decision, with Hollywood director Michael Moore and former President Obama being the most vocal.

As per The Hill:

Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore blasted President Trump’s decision Thursday to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris climate agreement, calling it “a crime against humanity.”

“This admitted predator has now expanded his predatory acts to the entire planet,” Moore tweeted.

“USA to Earth: F— YOU,” the filmmaker added in other tweets. “America First! Earth Last! My name is Michael Moore. I am an American. And I live in a Rogue State.”

Back to top
 

Q

The STORM has arrived
Every Dog Has Its Day...
Dark to Light.
Sheep no more.
 
IP Logged
 
President Elect, The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17501
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #1 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 12:53pm
 
Quote:
Obama’s statement was as follows:

A year and a half ago, the world came together in Paris around the first-ever global agreement to set the world on a low-carbon course and protect the world we leave to our children.

It was steady, principled American leadership on the world stage that made that achievement possible. 

It was bold American ambition that encouraged dozens of other nations to set their sights higher as well. And what made that leadership and ambition possible was America’s private innovation and public investment in growing industries like wind and solar – industries that created some of the fastest new streams of good-paying jobs in recent years, and contributed to the longest streak of job creation in our history.

Simply put, the private sector already chose a low-carbon future.  And for the nations that committed themselves to that future, the Paris Agreement opened the floodgates for businesses, scientists, and engineers to unleash high-tech, low-carbon investment and innovation on an unprecedented scale.

The nations that remain in the Paris Agreement will be the nations that reap the benefits in jobs and industries created.  I believe the United States of America should be at the front of the pack. 

But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we’ve got.

But of course, like all Champagne Socialists, their credo is “do as I say, not as I do,” with Obama jacking up his carbon footprint when abroad. Who could forget Obama’s massive convoy during a recent speaking gig in Milan?

The Independent Journal Review reported:

Former President Barack Obama traveled to Italy this week to make a speech on climate change at the “Seed & Chips: The Global Food Innovation Summit” in the city of Milan.

It seems like Obama has taken a page out of Leonardo DiCaprio’s book of “do as I say, not as I do” and took a private jet to Milan. Not only that, he had a 14 car convoy to get into the city, which also included protection from above with a helicopter.

It doesn’t end there. According to The Daily Mail, 300 police officers were used to protect the former president.

The fleet of 14 included multiple SUVs, police cars, and sedans — not to mention a few motorcycles.

Here’s another look at the convoy:


While in Milan, Obama also met with former Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, who was a close partner during their respective times in office.
Back to top
 

Q

The STORM has arrived
Every Dog Has Its Day...
Dark to Light.
Sheep no more.
 
IP Logged
 
Ajax
Gold Member
*****
Offline


CO2 has never controlled
temperature on Earth

Posts: 10952
Australia
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #2 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Thank God there are still some institutions that speak the truth and aren't corrupted by the oligarchy and its finances.
Back to top
 

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery &  prison" Regas Feraeos
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #3 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:09pm
 
We still had most of the US above freezing instead of below it last NH winter.

The NH is still suffering heatwaves, extreme weather events and wildfires this NH summer.

We are still having a very mild winter.

I doubt all this will come to very much at all.

Greenland and the Antarctic are still contributing to sea level rise as is the thermal expansion of the heating oceans.

I will have a look at it but I bet this does not mean what The Moronic thinks it does.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #4 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:10pm
 
I notice The Moronic did not include a link. Never mind, the source will be easy enough to find.

It was:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-15/research-team-slams-global-warming-data...

Seems to be an argument about homogenisation—again.

Will report back soon on this storm in a teacup.

AGW is real, no mistake about that at all.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
The_Barnacle
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6205
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #5 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
I notice The Moronic did not include a link.


Mechanic doesn't know how to post links
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed
Back to top
 

The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #6 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:31pm
 
Yeah, the article is just the latest in the shitfight over homogenisation, it does not say global warming isn’t happening, just the speed at which it is happening.

We know AGW is happening from the spectrometry evidence.

Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #7 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:45pm
 
As a bit of a counter to the article in the OP:

Quote:
A new paper published in the Journal of Climate reveals that the lower part of the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed much faster since 1979 than scientists relying on satellite data had previously thought.

Researchers from Remote Sensing Systems (RSS), based in California, have released a substantially revised version of their lower tropospheric temperature record.

After correcting for problems caused by the decaying orbit of satellites, as well as other factors, they have produced a new record showing 36% faster warming since 1979 and nearly 140% faster (i.e. 2.4 times larger) warming since 1998. This is in comparison to the previous version 3 of the lower tropospheric temperature (TLT) data published in 2009.

Climate sceptics have long claimed that satellite data shows global warming to be less pronounced than observational data collected on the Earth’s surface. This new correction to the RSS data substantially undermines that argument. The new data actually shows more warming than has been observed on the surface, though still slightly less than projected in most climate models


...

https://www.carbonbrief.org/major-correction-to-satellite-data-shows-140-faster-...

So corrections to drifts by satellites shows warming after 1998 is faster than previous satellite data showed. One fault due to satellite drift was temperatures supposed to be measured at 2.00pm were actually taken at 6.00pm or even 8.00pm. Correcting the satellite record brings it into line with terrestrial records.

AGW is happening.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
President Elect, The Mechanic
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 17501
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #8 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
MIT nailed it...

with all of this adjusting of records pretty soon no one will even know what the true historical records were...

meanwhile... Greenland is smashing the ice out... wasn't it meant to not have ice ever again??  Cheesy

in other parts of the world where they say the seas are rising Islands are forming due to the sea levels lowering...

fair dinkum... only a halfwit would follow the fraudulent government climate bodies...  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Q

The STORM has arrived
Every Dog Has Its Day...
Dark to Light.
Sheep no more.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16341
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #9 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
After correcting for problems caused by the decaying orbit of satellites



As I pointed out on another thread; they have adjusted for satellite drift since 1998.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
as well as other factors



And they have adjusted for diurnal drift for a similar amount of time.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #10 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
MIT nailed it...

with all of this adjusting of records pretty soon no one will even know what the true historical records were...

meanwhile... Greenland is smashing the ice out... wasn't it meant to not have ice ever again??  Cheesy

in other parts of the world where they say the seas are rising Islands are forming due to the sea levels lowering...

fair dinkum... only a halfwit would follow the fraudulent government climate bodies...  Roll Eyes

Yeah, Greenland is smashing its ice out. . .into the surrounding seas. Loses like 200gigatons of ice a year. Considering just how thick the ice sheet on Greenland is nobody but a pure idiot has ever said anything like “Never thought to see ice on Greenland again.”

The world is warming and GHGs are the reason.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #11 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
All week on ABC radio I've been hearing about the massive ice shelf that broke off the Antarctic mainland. What I didn't hear was the Antarctic ice shelf has been increasing over the last few years. So what is it? Cooling that theoretically caused the ice to increase or warming that caused the massive iceberg to break off?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Online


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43264
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:56pm
 
Larsen A & B ice shelves have previously broken off and they have not reformed. The glaciers that used to end on the ice shelves now end in the warmer seas lapping the Antarctic Peninsula and so melt more quickly. So there has been some sea level rise because of that.

If the rest of the Larsen C ice shelf follows the big bit that broke off the sea level rise will get a bit quicker.

If the Thwaites glacier goes—a metre of sea level rise will happen.
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
Super Nova
Gold Member
*****
Online



Posts: 3003
Everywhere
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #13 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
I prefer the views from more reliable rags like Scientific American.

Converted Contrarian Argues Humans "Almost Entirely" to Blame for Climate Change

Physicist Richard Muller has been convinced by his own analysis of the data that global warming is real and humans are causing it.

Richard Muller's conversion is complete.

The University of California, Berkeley, physicist once doubted the existence of climate change. Now he is convinced it's not only real but man-made, based on the latest results from his controversial review of temperature records.

"Call me a converted skeptic," Muller wrote in an op-ed published yesterday in The New York Times.
According to his Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, the average temperature on land has risen 1.5 degrees Celsius -- roughly 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit -- since 1753. That warming has tracked closely with the rise in greenhouse gas emissions from human activities, with little apparent contribution from natural factors like changes in solar activity, the group's latest paper concludes.

The researchers analyzed 14.4 million observations of average monthly land temperatures from 44,455 sites around the world, looking back about 100 years further and using five times more data than independent analyses by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA and the U.K. Hadley Centre.

"Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming," Muller wrote. "Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause."
It is a marked about-face. Muller initially sought to investigate skeptics' claims that flawed data and methods had skewed prior examinations of global temperature trends. His startup kitty included $150,000 from a foundation started by oil billionaire Charles Koch that has supported efforts opposing mainstream climate change science.

'Stronger' results than IPCC

Even after the Berkeley project's initial findings last year agreed with prior analyses by NASA, NOAA and the Hadley Centre, Muller resisted pinning the blame for climate change on man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

"The amount that's due to humans is still open, and there are very big uncertainties in that," he said in November at a Washington, D.C., briefing organized by Democratic lawmakers (ClimateWire, Nov. 15, 2011).

Now Muller says Berkeley Earth's new results "are stronger than those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change," because they found solar activity had a "negligible" role in warming observed since the 1750s.

In its 2007 report, the IPCC concluded with 90 percent certainty that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions have been the primary factor in Earth's overall temperature rise since 1950. But the U.N. panel said natural causes, including changes in the sun's output, may have been a significant factor before then.
Still, the new findings are not likely to alter the polarized U.S. debate on climate change.

Derision from deniers
Muller's work has been rejected by climate skeptics, including some he once called collaborators. And mainstream climate researchers have greeted the Berkeley Earth research with exasperation, sometimes tinged with amusement (ClimateWire, Oct. 21, 2011).

Tonya Mullins, a spokeswoman for the Charles Koch Foundation, said it "has long supported and will continue to support sound, nonpartisan, scientific research."
"Our grants are designed to promote independent research," she said. "As such, recipients hold full control over their findings. In this support, we strive to benefit society by promoting discovery and informing public policy."
But several prominent skeptic blogs offered harsh criticism of Muller yesterday, even as they praised his former associate Anthony Watts.

Watts, who runs the skeptical blog "Watts Up With That?" has derided the Berkeley Earth results as "post-normal political theater" and "incomplete and rushed, non-quality controlled, error riddled" science. He has repeatedly criticized Muller for posting results on the Web before they have undergone formal peer review.
But yesterday, in a pointed move, Watts released his own non-peer-reviewed findings, which purport to show that poorly sited U.S. weather stations have exaggerated the magnitude of recent warming -- a claim Muller's Berkeley Earth group analyzed and rejected (as did a peer-reviewed, published analysis by scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).

"Anthony Watts delivers devastating scientific blow to Muller's claims," screamed a banner headline on ClimateDepot, run by vocal skeptic Marc Morano. "Breaking: From BEST to worst in less than a day," began a post on the conservative Powerline blog.

Meanwhile, Judith Curry, a Georgia Institute of Technology climate scientist who co-authored the Berkeley Earth group's first four papers, said she declined to work on the latest analysis because of disagreements about Muller's methods.

"Their latest paper on the 250-year record concludes that the best explanation for the observed warming is greenhouse gas emissions," she told New York Time opinion blogger Andrew Revkin. "Their analysis is way oversimplistic and not at all convincing in my opinion."
Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Super Nova
Gold Member
*****
Online



Posts: 3003
Everywhere
Gender: male
Re: MIT Researchers Slam Global Warming Data
Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:07pm
 
Part II

Applause, and gentle mocking, from climate scientists
Michael Mann, the Pennsylvania State University climate scientist who created the "hockey stick" analysis of past temperatures, had a very different reaction.

"At this rate, Muller should be caught up to the current state of climate science within a matter of just a few years!" he tweeted yesterday.

Mann, a favorite target of climate skeptics, later published a fuller reaction on his Facebook page.
"There is a certain ironic satisfaction in seeing a study funded by the Koch Brothers -- the greatest funders of climate change denial and disinformation on the planet -- demonstrate what scientists have known with some degree of confidence for nearly two decades: that the globe is indeed warming, and that this warming can only be explained by human-caused increases in greenhouse gas concentrations," he wrote.
"I applaud Muller and his colleagues for acting as any good scientists would, following where their analyses led them, without regard for the possible political repercussions (they are of course almost certain to be attacked by climate change deniers for their findings)."

In the meantime, the Berkeley Earth group is working to publish its findings, said Elizabeth Muller, Richard Muller's daughter and the project's executive director.

The group has submitted the new paper, and its four previous studies, to the Journal of Geophysical Research-Atmospheres, she said.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/converted-contrarian-argues-humans-to...
Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 11
Send Topic Print