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Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:02am
 
Amnesty International accuses Australia of ‘war crimes’ in fight against Islamic State


Australia has committed war crimes in Iraq as the second-largest contributor to the US-led coalition fighting Islamic State, according to an Amnesty International report.

While Iraq and the United States have claimed victory over IS in Mosul, thousands of bodies still lie in the pulverised ruins.

Almost one million people have fled. The Iraqi Army has lost up to 40 per cent of its attack force. Estimates of the number of civilians killed range over 13,000. The exact number will never be known.

Amnesty International spokesperson Diana Sayed told The New Daily the 225kg bombs dropped into the crowded streets of Mosul had a shock radius of 230 metres and resulted in needless casualties.

“Pro-government forces, including Australia, failed to take feasible precautions to protect civilians during the battle for west Mosul – through launching barrages of indiscriminate, disproportionate and otherwise unlawful attacks, and failing to provide adequate warnings prior to bombardments. The realities of living under the Islamic State often meant people were trapped and unable to leave their homes,” she said.

“Australia and its allies in Iraq should publicly acknowledge the massive loss of lives during the Mosul operation.”

The report, titled ‘At Any Cost: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul, Iraq’, said Iraqi and US forces did not meet humanitarian law requirements.

“Iraqi government and US-led coalition forces failed to adequately adapt their tactics to these challenges – as required by international humanitarian law – with disastrous consequences for civilians. Pro-government forces relied heavily upon explosive weapons with wide area effects. These weapons wreaked havoc in densely populated west Mosul, where large groups of civilians were trapped.”

If military planners were unaware of the likely civilian toll, it quickly became evident.

“It was pro-government soldiers who assisted in countless front-line rescues, digging bodies out of collapsed buildings, separating the injured from the dead and arranging the transport of thousands to medical facilities,” the report said.

High Commissioner for the United Nations Human Rights Office, Zeid Al Hussein, said he urged the coalition to comply with humanitarian laws.

“I repeatedly called on coalition partners to ensure that military operations complied with international humanitarian law,” he said in a statement this week.

“Airstrikes were a significant factor in causing civilian casualties.”

The Amnesty International report came in the days after Human Rights Watch argued there had been major breaches of international law in its ‘Civilian Casualties Mount in West Mosul: Coalition’ report.

The group has also reported on mass graves in government-controlled areas, indicating war crimes.

A spokeswoman for the group Belkis Wille told The New Daily: “All of the families I speak to have a story about neighbours, loved ones or friends being killed in airstrikes. The people coming out of west Mosul are the most traumatised I have ever interviewed.”

Experts warn that Islamic State, far from being defeated, have created a major jihad spectacle which will drive recruitment.

Security expert Professor Clinton Fernandes told The New Daily: “While the public is generally unaware of most US military operations, since the media has largely been scrubbed clean of this kind of coverage, radical groups rely on satellite TV and the internet to get a different message out.”

Terror expert Dr Clarke Jones told The New Daily the deaths of so many civilians could drive extremism.

“Here is another case where the West has stepped in and caused the death of innocents. There are a lot of angry people. They see this injustice and want to take action,” he said.


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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:33am
 
have they condemned ISIL?.... who invaded Mosul in the first place... Sad

awful as it is   there are always many innocent  casualties in any war..

I do not condone it   but I understand how its inevitable....... even more so as bombs get bigger and more lethal.

perhaps if these EXPERTS got down on the ground and showed  these countries how to fight the ETHICAL WAR  crap like this wouldnt happen?????? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:36am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:33am:
have they condemned ISIL?.... who invaded Mosul in the first place... Sad

awful as it is   there are always many innocent  casualties in any war..

I do not condone it   but I understand how its inevitable....... even more so as bombs get bigger and more lethal.

perhaps if these EXPERTS got down on the ground and showed  these countries how to fight the ETHICAL WAR  crap like this wouldnt happen?????? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Who invaded Mosul in the first place? Are you serious?
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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
ok mothra I have said my piece...

I am gone .. forget I said it...

and yes I am serious.
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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:41am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:37am:
ok mothra I have said my piece...

I am gone .. forget I said it...

and yes I am serious.

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What are you rabbiting on about?

Is it because you "hate" me that you refuse to engage in discussion?
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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:43am
 
At least five U.S. troops and eight U.S. civilians in Kabul are dead on Saturday after a Taliban bomber targeted the lightly-armored bus transporting them through the Afghan capitol.
. The bus, known colloquially as a "Rhino," is a slow transport vehicle built to withstand small arms fire.
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Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:43am:
At least five U.S. troops and eight U.S. civilians in Kabul are dead on Saturday after a Taliban bomber targeted the lightly-armored bus transporting them through the Afghan capitol.
While details are still sketchy, the Taliban attack shows sophistication. The bus, known colloquially as a "Rhino," is a slow transport vehicle built to withstand small arms fire.


That's awful, but do you have a point?
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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:47am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:41am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:37am:
ok mothra I have said my piece...

I am gone .. forget I said it...

and yes I am serious.

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What are you rabbiting on about?

Is it because you "hate" me that you refuse to engage in discussion?



discussion!!!!!.. WITH YOU   are you serious?
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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:48am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:47am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:41am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:37am:
ok mothra I have said my piece...

I am gone .. forget I said it...

and yes I am serious.

r
What are you rabbiting on about?

Is it because you "hate" me that you refuse to engage in discussion?



discussion!!!!!.. WITH YOU   are you serious?


Absolutely. Are you up for it?
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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:49am
 
I see you crossed out "hate".

Are you denying that you said you said you hate me?

Like, actual hate?
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Reply #10 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:59am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:48am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:47am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:41am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:37am:
ok mothra I have said my piece...

I am gone .. forget I said it...

and yes I am serious.

r
What are you rabbiting on about?

Is it because you "hate" me that you refuse to engage in discussion?



discussion!!!!!.. WITH YOU   are you serious?


Absolutely. Are you up for it?



Grin Grin Grin

I am going out this morning I do not have 5 hours to spare I could come back though if I actually catch you engaged with someone other than gweg or setanta in DISCUSSION...

as you can see by your replies to myself here  you are now talking about HATE...huhummm not what I wish to talk about pet.. I do not HATE you  of course HATE also has many definitions..

  so stop making yourself a victim...

I do for the most part feel sorry for you....every one you engage with ends up in a war of unpleasant words..hours of it....it isnt what I come here for....

it appears to suit your style.. and I am happy to leave it to you and others to debate this thread....

ahumm just a tip mothra..

when you say things like
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what are you rabbiting on about...

it is not the way to start a discussion I can assure you.

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Reply #11 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:00am
 
Why do you hate me, Cods? Because i have called you on your bullshit?

Yet despite you bullshit, i don't hate you. I don't even dislike you.

What gives that makes you actively hate me?
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Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:02am
 
You said on PA that the only people you hate was me and John Smith, right?

Why do you you hate me, Cods?

What could i have possibly done to engender so strong a response from you?
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Reply #13 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:07am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:02am:
You said on PA that the only people you hate was me and John Smith, right?

Why do you you hate me, Cods?

What could i have possibly done to engender so strong a response from you?



really can you produce that mothra?????>..

how do you know what is said in SPARTA pet?....whos feeding you this TROUBLE MAKING...me thinks its someone who actually doesnt like you....

who tell someone what is being said behind their back...

yes thats right someone who is a PRETEND FRIEND..

have you any idea what is said via PMs  Smiley Smiley Smiley

dear aussie is always trying to get me to say or do something that is in fact breaking the RULES HERE..

but he and yourself   think you have special privileges.


show me the post mothra

this is so childish  i cant believe I am here.


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Reply #14 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:08am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:00am:
Why do you hate me, Cods? Because i have called you on your bullshit?

Yet despite you bullshit, i don't hate you. I don't even dislike you.

What gives that makes you actively hate me?



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cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:07am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:02am:
You said on PA that the only people you hate was me and John Smith, right?

Why do you you hate me, Cods?

What could i have possibly done to engender so strong a response from you?



really can you produce that mothra?????>..

how do you know what is said in SPARTA pet?....whos feeding you this TROUBLE MAKING...me thinks its someone who actually doesnt like you....

who tell someone what is being said behind their back...

yes thats right someone who is a PRETEND FRIEND..

have you any idea what is said via PMs  Smiley Smiley Smiley

dear aussie is always trying to get me to say or do something that is in fact breaking the RULES HERE..

but he and yourself   think you have special privileges.


show me the post mothra

this is so childish  i cant believe I am here.




Are you denying it? Are you saying that you you didn't say that you hate me?
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I don't get hate. It's utterly beyond me.

I have tremendous amounts of pity for people that hate.
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Reply #17 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:18am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:07am:
how do you know what is said in SPARTA pet?..



if you didn't say it, what would it be doing in Sparta? 

Oopss:P Tongue Tongue Tongue
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Cods has gone very quiet all of a sudden.
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Oh ... she's logged off.

I'll have to wait for later to find out why she hates me i suppose.
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Reply #20 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:30am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:10am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:07am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:02am:
You said on PA that the only people you hate was me and John Smith, right?

Why do you you hate me, Cods?

What could i have possibly done to engender so strong a response from you?



really can you produce that mothra?????>..

how do you know what is said in SPARTA pet?....whos feeding you this TROUBLE MAKING...me thinks its someone who actually doesnt like you....

who tell someone what is being said behind their back...

yes thats right someone who is a PRETEND FRIEND..

have you any idea what is said via PMs  Smiley Smiley Smiley

dear aussie is always trying to get me to say or do something that is in fact breaking the RULES HERE..

but he and yourself   think you have special privileges.


show me the post mothra

this is so childish  i cant believe I am here.




Are you denying it? Are you saying that you you didn't say that you hate me?



did I deny??.. no I believe I asked you for the post where I said it.. little johnny can help you what say you johnboy?  you read and CONTRIBUTE TO SPARTA...show me the proof.......you have said quite a mouthful in relationships....so you either have the thread.... or posts pet.. you know so much..

while we are talking about the word HATE   I dont recall you complaining about those two HATE THREADs ON CODS in relationships    in fact I seem to recall you even contributed.... I wonder if aussie has disappeared them   we all know all sorts of amusing things happen  in relationships dont we??

I did say I was going out and yes I am now..
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Reply #21 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:33am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:18am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:07am:
how do you know what is said in SPARTA pet?..



if you didn't say it, what would it be doing in Sparta? 

Oopss:P Tongue Tongue Tongue



well I have my idea who may be doing trouble making.... I am sure you do as well.. if I said it you have my permission to post it..its my post......

just make sure you also post what I was replying too....no names of course....I will check in when I return  could be after mid day..if thats ok of course???..wouldnt want to be accused of ignoring anyone. Sad Sad
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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:12am:
I don't get hate. It's utterly beyond me.

I have tremendous amounts of pity for people that hate.



For someone 'who doesn't get hate' you are a mean and vicious individual.


I have disgust and mistrust, that sometimes get misinterpreted as hate, but not a lot of people are worthy of that amount of effort.


You are not a very nice person, that seems utterly unaware of their less than pleasant disposition.  Smiley Smiley


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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:37am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:12am:
I don't get hate. It's utterly beyond me.

I have tremendous amounts of pity for people that hate.



For someone 'who doesn't get hate' you are a mean and vicious individual.


I have disgust and mistrust, that sometimes get misinterpreted as hate, but not a lot of people are worthy of that amount of effort.


You are not a very nice person, that seems utterly unaware of their less than pleasant disposition.  Smiley Smiley





Are you kidding? I'm adorable!

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BigOl, this is the second clue i have received that makes me think you are not the absolute arsehole you make yourself out to be on here.


Have you though of softening your approach?
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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Oh ... she's logged off.

I'll have to wait for later to find out why she hates me i suppose.



there you go lying again "SHE"DOESN"T LOG OFF.
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cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:49am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Oh ... she's logged off.

I'll have to wait for later to find out why she hates me i suppose.



there you go lying again "SHE"DOESN"T LOG OFF.



Que?
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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:02am:
Amnesty International accuses Australia of ‘war crimes’ in fight against Islamic State


Australia has committed war crimes in Iraq as the second-largest contributor to the US-led coalition fighting Islamic State, according to an Amnesty International report.

While Iraq and the United States have claimed victory over IS in Mosul, thousands of bodies still lie in the pulverised ruins.

Almost one million people have fled. The Iraqi Army has lost up to 40 per cent of its attack force. Estimates of the number of civilians killed range over 13,000. The exact number will never be known.

Amnesty International spokesperson Diana Sayed told The New Daily the 225kg bombs dropped into the crowded streets of Mosul had a shock radius of 230 metres and resulted in needless casualties.

“Pro-government forces, including Australia, failed to take feasible precautions to protect civilians during the battle for west Mosul – through launching barrages of indiscriminate, disproportionate and otherwise unlawful attacks, and failing to provide adequate warnings prior to bombardments. The realities of living under the Islamic State often meant people were trapped and unable to leave their homes,” she said.

“Australia and its allies in Iraq should publicly acknowledge the massive loss of lives during the Mosul operation.”

The report, titled ‘At Any Cost: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul, Iraq’, said Iraqi and US forces did not meet humanitarian law requirements.

“Iraqi government and US-led coalition forces failed to adequately adapt their tactics to these challenges – as required by international humanitarian law – with disastrous consequences for civilians. Pro-government forces relied heavily upon explosive weapons with wide area effects. These weapons wreaked havoc in densely populated west Mosul, where large groups of civilians were trapped.”

If military planners were unaware of the likely civilian toll, it quickly became evident.

“It was pro-government soldiers who assisted in countless front-line rescues, digging bodies out of collapsed buildings, separating the injured from the dead and arranging the transport of thousands to medical facilities,” the report said.

High Commissioner for the United Nations Human Rights Office, Zeid Al Hussein, said he urged the coalition to comply with humanitarian laws.

“I repeatedly called on coalition partners to ensure that military operations complied with international humanitarian law,” he said in a statement this week.

“Airstrikes were a significant factor in causing civilian casualties.”

The Amnesty International report came in the days after Human Rights Watch argued there had been major breaches of international law in its ‘Civilian Casualties Mount in West Mosul: Coalition’ report.

The group has also reported on mass graves in government-controlled areas, indicating war crimes.

A spokeswoman for the group Belkis Wille told The New Daily: “All of the families I speak to have a story about neighbours, loved ones or friends being killed in airstrikes. The people coming out of west Mosul are the most traumatised I have ever interviewed.”

Experts warn that Islamic State, far from being defeated, have created a major jihad spectacle which will drive recruitment.

Security expert Professor Clinton Fernandes told The New Daily: “While the public is generally unaware of most US military operations, since the media has largely been scrubbed clean of this kind of coverage, radical groups rely on satellite TV and the internet to get a different message out.”

Terror expert Dr Clarke Jones told The New Daily the deaths of so many civilians could drive extremism.

“Here is another case where the West has stepped in and caused the death of innocents. There are a lot of angry people. They see this injustice and want to take action,” he said.


http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/07/12/australia-war-crimes-iraq-islami...



So Australia has committed War Crimes has it?


So I presume that amnesty international will be submitting their evidence to the Hague that shows the RAAF deliberately targeting civilians with 500 pound bombs or some other horrific crime.

I would hate to think that people I know are complicit in committing government sanction war crimes.



But I suspect no war crime were committed by the RAAF or it's people and this is just a load of horse sh1t and lies from some hysterical fkktards needing attention.


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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:45am:
BigOl, this is the second clue i have received that makes me think you are not the absolute arsehole you make yourself out to be on here.


Have you though of softening your approach?



Or I have never been the total bastard you lot have tried to make me out to be.  Smiley

Im pretty standard for my background and life experiences.
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It's been a classical example of how a topic almost immediately descends into being nothing other than a childish bunfight.

It's why I've already booked my ticket out of here.

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If there have been war crimes, then let's have court martials to ferret out the ferals and to act as a warning to the soldiers in the field that they don't have a licence to kill without just cause.
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just waiting for my lift.. Wink Wink

mothra dont let this thread stop you from looking for that post of mine will you..thank you.
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It's been a classical example of how a topic almost immediately descends into being nothing other than a childish bunfight.

It's why I've already booked my ticket out of here.

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If there have been war crimes, then let's have court martials to ferret out the ferals and to act as a warning to the soldiers in the field that they don't have a licence to kill without just cause.



did you read my very first post herb??? Sad Sad Sad
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Reply #33 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:05am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:33am:
well I have my idea who may be doing trouble making.... I am sure you do as well.. if I said it you have my permission to post it..its my post......


Yes, If I were you I'd be ashamed of myself for writing such a comment too.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Ohh, and i don't need your permission for anything.

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Reply #34 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:06am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:03am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:56am:
It's been a classical example of how a topic almost immediately descends into being nothing other than a childish bunfight.

It's why I've already booked my ticket out of here.

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If there have been war crimes, then let's have court martials to ferret out the ferals and to act as a warning to the soldiers in the field that they don't have a licence to kill without just cause.



did you read my very first post herb??? Sad Sad Sad


Of course not. I'm not into reading book-sized posts first thing in the morning.

Have you read mine? Yes? Well, proceed from there.

Ooops. I thought you were Mothra.

Just forget it. I'm out of here.


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Reply #35 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:08am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:30am:
..show me the proof..




[quote="cods"] theres only two people I really HATE thats you and mothra... [/quote]
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Reply #36 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:15am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:08am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:30am:
..show me the proof..




[quote="cods"] theres only two people I really HATE thats you and mothra...

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes [/quote]

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

no the post precious  the whole thing...

poor mothra think of her sensitive feelings pet....lets get the whole picture shall we?

It was obviously in reply to yourself  so lets see the whole and not the selective bits you and others are good at.
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Reply #37 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:19am
 
I have sensitive feelings? Thought i was pretty bullet proof on here actually.

But feel free to hate me Cods. I won't hate you.

I'll continue to agree with you or call you on your bullshit ... just like i always have.
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No surprises, even when presented with her foulness, Cods refuses to accept she's anything other than a victim.
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How pathetic.
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Reply #40 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:15am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 9:08am:
cods wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:30am:
..show me the proof..




[quote="cods"] theres only two people I really HATE thats you and mothra...
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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no the post precious  the whole thing...

poor mothra think of her sensitive feelings pet....lets get the whole picture shall we?

It was obviously in reply to yourself  so lets see the whole and not the selective bits you and others are good at.




what whole thing cods? I mentioned that you are the only person to go on about hate all the time after you suggested that I get together with aussie to discuss how much we hate everyone on PA,  and you replied that the only people you hate are Mothra and myself.

If you think I've taken you out of context feel free to supply your own context.

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Seems i feature alot on PA ... if it' not people talking about ho much they hate me .. it's people talking about how i should be raped.

Interesting what some people people find offensive.
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Reply #42 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:15am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:08am:
Seems i eature alot on PA ... if it' not people talking about ho much they hate me .. it's people talking about how i should be raped.

Interesting what some people people find offensive.



ohh PA is a blast. ... and now they've even gone and given the most the lunatic the keys to the place.
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Reply #43 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:19am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:15am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:08am:
Seems i eature alot on PA ... if it' not people talking about ho much they hate me .. it's people talking about how i should be raped.

Interesting what some people people find offensive.



ohh PA is a blast. ... and now they've even gone and given the most the lunatic the keys to the place.


I don't understand being here to talk about people rather than issues.

It seems PA is all about people.

Not for me.
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Reply #44 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:02am:
Amnesty International accuses Australia of ‘war crimes’ in fight against Islamic State


http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/07/12/australia-war-crimes-iraq-islami...



Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:

Iraq: Yezidi survivors of horrific abuse in IS captivity neglected by international community
10 October 2016, 15:34 UTC
Yezidi women and girls who have been enslaved, raped beaten and otherwise tortured by the armed group calling itself Islamic State (IS) are being failed by a lack of adequate support from the international community, said Amnesty International today.






Now there was an international response to ISIS barbarity - and AI is again outraged. These guys are in the business of being perpetually outraged.

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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:45am:
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:43am:
At least five U.S. troops and eight U.S. civilians in Kabul are dead on Saturday after a Taliban bomber targeted the lightly-armored bus transporting them through the Afghan capitol.
While details are still sketchy, the Taliban attack shows sophistication. The bus, known colloquially as a "Rhino," is a slow transport vehicle built to withstand small arms fire.


That's awful, but do you have a point?

RhinoRUNNER is powered by a 5.88L, six-cylinder turbo diesel engine delivering a maximum power output of 240hp.
It's a war relic of historical interest and needs protection against poachers .
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Reply #46 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:06am
 
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:58am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:45am:
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:43am:
At least five U.S. troops and eight U.S. civilians in Kabul are dead on Saturday after a Taliban bomber targeted the lightly-armored bus transporting them through the Afghan capitol.
While details are still sketchy, the Taliban attack shows sophistication. The bus, known colloquially as a "Rhino," is a slow transport vehicle built to withstand small arms fire.


That's awful, but do you have a point?

RhinoRUNNER is powered by a 5.88L, six-cylinder turbo diesel engine delivering a maximum power output of 240hp.
It's a war relic of historical interest and needs protection against poachers .



Right then. Should i call someone?
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BeyondBlue are very good . Or the Kaziranga rhino squad would be the way to go .
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Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005
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Reply #49 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:12am
 
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:10am:
BeyondBlue are very good . Or the Kaziranga rhino squad would be the way to go .



Thanks. Appreciated.
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Reply #50 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


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Reply #51 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.




BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?
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Reply #52 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:48am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.




BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?



Are you saying that the RAAF has deliberately and knowing bombed the fkk out of civilians?

Please submit your evidence to the Hague immediately, for this is a very serious accusation and must be acted upon immediately.

I would hate to think that my mate serving over there are fkking war criminals, but you must ave some evidentiary basis, mustn't you?


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Reply #53 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries
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Reply #54 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:03pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.




BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?



Are you saying that the RAAF has deliberately and knowing bombed the fkk out of civilians?

Please submit your evidence to the Hague immediately, for this is a very serious accusation and must be acted upon immediately.

I would hate to think that my mate serving over there are fkking war criminals, but you must ave some evidentiary basis, mustn't you?




Why oh why won't you read OP's?
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Reply #55 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries



So they are by-standers, nothing more

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Amnesty International - just one of the scores or hundreds of leftwing NGO's the world could do without.
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Reply #57 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries



So they are by-standers, nothing more



something like that. Not everyone can be a soldier, just as not everyone can be a lawyer . Everyone does their part, and collectively, we somehow in most cases manage.
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Reply #58 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:20pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
Amnesty International - just one of the scores or hundreds of leftwing NGO's the world could do without.




Seriously? Are you a member (or have you ever been a member) of Amnesty?

Would you like to know about human rights abuses all over the world? And take organised action against them?

What possible problem could you have with Amnesty?
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Reply #59 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.




BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?



Are you saying that the RAAF has deliberately and knowing bombed the fkk out of civilians?

Please submit your evidence to the Hague immediately, for this is a very serious accusation and must be acted upon immediately.

I would hate to think that my mate serving over there are fkking war criminals, but you must ave some evidentiary basis, mustn't you?




Why oh why won't you read OP's?



I did it's is in my first post and I stand by what I wrote about it.

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Reply #60 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries



So they are by-standers, nothing more



something like that. Not everyone can be a soldier, just as not everyone can be a lawyer . Everyone does their part, and collectively, we somehow in most cases manage.



I just have a lesser opinion of the 'chattering' class than I do about the 'working' class.


Flinging accusations around about the RAAF committing war crimes, is achieving what exactly?

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Reply #61 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am:
BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?


What were the war crimes committed by Australian troops?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/28/islamic-state-uses-hostages-as-hum...

Quote:
Islamic State fighters have taken “tens of thousands” of people hostage and are herding them towards the city of Mosul for use as human shields as the battle for the militant group’s last major Iraqi stronghold intensifies, the United Nations has said.

Isis also shot dead at least 232 civilians on Wednesday, the UN said on Friday, in its latest warning of atrocities by the group that has embraced rule by terror since it swept to power across the region. More evidence of crimes is likely to be unearthed as the self-proclaimed caliphate recedes into the desert.

Some of the latest victims are understood to have refused to comply with orders to leave their homes, and others were former members of the Iraqi security forces, who Isis may have feared would rise up against the group as its enemies advanced.

Speaking at a news conference, UN spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani said the hostage-taking was aimed at making certain parts of Mosul “immune from military action”.

“Isil’s depraved, cowardly strategy is to try to use the presence of civilian hostages to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military action, essentially using tens of thousands of men, women and children as human shields,” Shamdasani said, using a different term for the group.


Where was the UN troops?

Why isn't AI accusing the UN of war crimes for ignoring IS's use of human shields and summary executions?

Was there any mention in AI's report about the use of human shields?

In actuality AI arguably actually contribute to civilian casualties.  IS use the tactic of hiding in their own population because of the propaganda value of AI bleatings.

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I supposer Amnesty International spokesperson Diana Sayed would rather ISIS remain in power and no bombs dropped?
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The Australian military does not care whether they kill civilians in Iraq or any other Muslim country. They have been indoctrinated with hate which erases their morals and ethics.

Australia was part of the illegal Iraq war which tore the country apart and created ISIS and fomented Sunni extremism.

ISIS is the illegitimate child of the mating between George W Bush, Tony Blair and John Howard.
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The Australian military does not care whether they kill civilians in Iraq or any other Muslim country. They have been indoctrinated with hate which erases their morals and ethics.

Australia was part of the illegal Iraq war which tore the country apart and created ISIS and fomented Sunni extremism.




That would be a nutshell.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
The Australian military does not care whether they kill civilians in Iraq or any other Muslim country. They have been indoctrinated with hate which erases their morals and ethics.

Australia was part of the illegal Iraq war which tore the country apart and created ISIS and fomented Sunni extremism.

ISIS is the illegitimate child of the mating between George W Bush, Tony Blair and John Howard.

ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.
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Ok. So it all started with Saddam Hussein doing the 'dirty' work for the USA against the Ayatollah Khomeini (Iran).
Then Saddam said "Ok. USA - pay up!"
USA said "Shut up!"
Saddam said "I'll take Kuwait then..."
...and the rest is what you saw.

Just because some 'Extremists' take over a country 'after' USA came in and used its 'amphetamine' Pilots and other 'Terminator' tactics against the 'sandle wearing' Iraqis.
Doesn't mean Australia has to go in like paid Mercenaries for the USA (A Privatised Political Nation) like a guy who runs in to lay a boot in from behind a table, when a fight is started by the USA.
Being the 'Sheriff' of the World as USA sees itself, DOES NOT make it the 'General' as well.

I totally support Australian Military when they go fight for the UK - its basically a 'mandatory' cause, even if the Aussie whingers blame the UK if they lose, like in Gallipoli.

The UK is being held accountable for its involvement in Iraq and so should the USA.
Australia is being 'also' held accountable - its like 'guilty by association' for being the USA 'gimp' in everything.

When I was nursing, I had soldiers in (training injuries) expecting me to 'bow down to them' for being 'Heroes'.
- sorry, but I never did.
The 'old diggers' though would openly 'request' my care and I was honoured.

I reckon the Eureka Flag waving Unionists would jump at the chance of fighting for their 'Yankee' USA.

But I say - suck eggs Australia.
Sure the Extremists are in the Wrong,
but Two Wrongs do not make a Right.

If Israel wants to be the new 'Military Empire' - then let them do it of their own accord.
Oh that's right - its probably the USA Jews in Politics that are helping that cause  Roll Eyes
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Swagman wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:41am:
BigOl, in light of all that has just come out, are you seriously denying that there are war crimes committed by Australian troops?

Seriously?


What were the war crimes committed by Australian troops?





It seems mothra like the fkken idiots at amnesty are not too forthcoming with any actual evidence, just slander.

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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries



So they are by-standers, nothing more



something like that. Not everyone can be a soldier, just as not everyone can be a lawyer . Everyone does their part, and collectively, we somehow in most cases manage.



I just have a lesser opinion of the 'chattering' class than I do about the 'working' class.


Flinging accusations around about the RAAF committing war crimes, is achieving what exactly?



raising awareness

the RAAF aren't a protected species and nor should they be. The public has a right to know what's happening, from all sides. The good and the bad.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?
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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


An organisation only slightly more useless than the united nations.


their aim is to raise awareness of the issues. Not send in mercenaries



So they are by-standers, nothing more



something like that. Not everyone can be a soldier, just as not everyone can be a lawyer . Everyone does their part, and collectively, we somehow in most cases manage.



I just have a lesser opinion of the 'chattering' class than I do about the 'working' class.


Flinging accusations around about the RAAF committing war crimes, is achieving what exactly?



raising awareness

the RAAF aren't a protected species and nor should they be. The public has a right to know what's happening, from all sides. The good and the bad.



Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, has it been submitted to the Hague for prosecutions. Why hasn't the ADF commenced courts marshal against these pilots?

This sounds like fkken slander, but if they have evidence, then get it out there instead of just 'sneering behind closed doors'.


I have no time for fkking lying deadsh1ts but it is typical behavior of a fkken socialist.  Angry Angry


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The muzzos always use the argument.

"We are not all bad, most of us are nice guys"

But it seems tgere is ZERO tolerance if we miss with a weapon or shoot some unarmed, potentially dangerious person.

When, and only when, Australian soldiers fight like ISIS and use civillians as shields.
When and only when, Australian soldiers send men in vests to murder children.
When snd only when, Australian soldiers murder people in huge numbers for not bowing to some retarded, sociopathic child molesting moron prophet.

Then I will agree that they have committed war crimes.

Personally
Im all for "tit for tat" warfare.
You kill ours, we kill yours.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?


I'm saying that if you are going to bomb knowing there's a high likelihood of hitting civilians, then you can't whinge when you are criticised for it
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes,



the story is that AI accuses them of it, no one has said it's been proven
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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes,



the story is that AI accuses them of it, no one has said it's been proven



Exact nothing but bullsh1t and slander, not even a commentary on what they are accusing the RAAF of doing.

Just call the the RAAF war criminals and their fkken job is done.


Well fkk amnesty international, they are nothing more than pack of lying pricks, fkken gutless bastards all talk and no real action.


Nothing more than a bunch of fkken cowards.  Angry Angry





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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?


I'm saying that if you are going to bomb knowing there's a high likelihood of hitting civilians, then you can't whinge when you are criticised for it



Where is the evidence that happened. Show where the RAAF knowing bombed civilians, or you are no better than those lying cvvnts at amnesty.


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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?


I'm saying that if you are going to bomb knowing there's a high likelihood of hitting civilians, then you can't whinge when you are criticised for it


Where is the evidence that happened. Show where the RAAF knowing bombed civilians, or you are no better than those lying cvvnts at amnesty.


Everyone's a liar except Australian military?

Why is Australia bombing people in Iraq? The Australian military is clueless and depends on hearsay information from USA military which they are not prepared to put in writing bec ause it would then be evidence.
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Unforgiven wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?


I'm saying that if you are going to bomb knowing there's a high likelihood of hitting civilians, then you can't whinge when you are criticised for it


Where is the evidence that happened. Show where the RAAF knowing bombed civilians, or you are no better than those lying cvvnts at amnesty.


Everyone's a liar except Australian military?

Why is Australia bombing people in Iraq? The Australian military is clueless and depends on hearsay information from USA military which they are not prepared to put in writing bec ause it would then be evidence.


Yes - Australian Military is really a DEFAULT military in that besides being 'mandatorily' serviced to the UK...
...they run off at every opportunity that the USA says.

"Hey Australia! How high can you jump for America?"

...talk about a 'racist' Anglo-Saxon international 'empiricism'  Tongue
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Unforgiven wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
ISIS certainly don't care when they shoot while using  the civilian population as cover.



no one said they did.

and neither has anyone tried to shoot down anyone who has raised awareness of what Isis is doing. But the same standard must apply to both sides.
So seeing that ISIS fight amongst civilians are you saying that bombing should not be used?


I'm saying that if you are going to bomb knowing there's a high likelihood of hitting civilians, then you can't whinge when you are criticised for it


Where is the evidence that happened. Show where the RAAF knowing bombed civilians, or you are no better than those lying cvvnts at amnesty.


Everyone's a liar except Australian military?

Why is Australia bombing people in Iraq? The Australian military is clueless and depends on hearsay information from USA military which they are not prepared to put in writing bec ause it would then be evidence.



What people and where in iraq?


Do you have evidence that anything you say isn't total horse sh1t?


The fact that your mum and dad were brother and sister has not helped you at all has it?




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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
... The fact that your mum and dad were brother and sister has not helped you at all has it?


Thanks for sharing the wretchedness of your experience, but not everyone has BigHole64's genetic and social disadvantage.
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Where is the evidence that happened.



what part of 'IF' in my statement was difficult?
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And you have an insider in PA supplying you with info from Sparta- no prizes for guessing who though is there?



whats really telling is that that is your main concern, not that someone started such a vile thread and poll. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes,



the story is that AI accuses them of it, no one has said it's been proven



Exact nothing but bullsh1t and slander, not even a commentary on what they are accusing the RAAF of doing.

Just call the the RAAF war criminals and their fkken job is done.


Well fkk amnesty international, they are nothing more than pack of lying pricks, fkken gutless bastards all talk and no real action.


Nothing more than a bunch of fkken cowards.  Angry Angry



and you know it's nothing but 'bullsh1t and slander' because you've seen all their evidence, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes,



the story is that AI accuses them of it, no one has said it's been proven



Exact nothing but bullsh1t and slander, not even a commentary on what they are accusing the RAAF of doing.

Just call the the RAAF war criminals and their fkken job is done.


Well fkk amnesty international, they are nothing more than pack of lying pricks, fkken gutless bastards all talk and no real action.


Nothing more than a bunch of fkken cowards.  Angry Angry



and you know it's nothing but 'bullsh1t and slander' because you've seen all their evidence, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Nobody has seen their 'evidence', that's the issue.


They have not even stated they have 'evidence' or that they will be presenting the 'evidence' to the Hague. Not even to detail the action where we committed these horrendous crimes.

Not a single piece of information to substantiate their claims.


Nothing screams pack of fkking lies than a paucity of substantiated information.



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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:11pm:
And you have an insider in PA supplying you with info from Sparta- no prizes for guessing who though is there?



whats really telling is that that is your main concern, not that someone started such a vile thread and poll. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I knew it was you - I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore- Mothra needs to help herself too but she doesnt- everything is about her isnt it- every single thing- and if it isnt about her for 5 minutes well she just starts a thread-grow up the lot of you
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Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.
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John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head
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Reply #91 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head


I dont care if you're  a member or not, You complain you don't want to play 'the games', but throw yourself into the middle of it. You had no reason to mention PA but you did. I can believe someone like Brian Ross or Juliar don't want to play the games, they never mention PA or drag themselves into arguments about it. But I have trouble believing you when you continually throw yourself into the arguments.
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Reply #92 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

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Reply #93 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:08pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head






yes, it was such a stupid comment the first time you made it that it deserved to be ignored, not sure why you would put it up again. It's still a stupid comment .
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Reply #94 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head






yes, it was such a stupid comment the first time you made it that it deserved to be ignored, not sure why you would put it up again. It's still a stupid comment .

but I think spot on-  Wink
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Reply #95 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:14pm
 
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Amnesty International accuses Australia of ‘war crimes’ in fight against Islamic State


Australia has committed war crimes in Iraq as the second-largest contributor to the US-led coalition fighting Islamic State, according to an Amnesty International report.

While Iraq and the United States have claimed victory over IS in Mosul, thousands of bodies still lie in the pulverised ruins.

Almost one million people have fled. The Iraqi Army has lost up to 40 per cent of its attack force. Estimates of the number of civilians killed range over 13,000. The exact number will never be known.

Amnesty International spokesperson Diana Sayed told The New Daily the 225kg bombs dropped into the crowded streets of Mosul had a shock radius of 230 metres and resulted in needless casualties.

“Pro-government forces, including Australia, failed to take feasible precautions to protect civilians during the battle for west Mosul – through launching barrages of indiscriminate, disproportionate and otherwise unlawful attacks, and failing to provide adequate warnings prior to bombardments. The realities of living under the Islamic State often meant people were trapped and unable to leave their homes,” she said.

“Australia and its allies in Iraq should publicly acknowledge the massive loss of lives during the Mosul operation.”

The report, titled ‘At Any Cost: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul, Iraq’, said Iraqi and US forces did not meet humanitarian law requirements.

“Iraqi government and US-led coalition forces failed to adequately adapt their tactics to these challenges – as required by international humanitarian law – with disastrous consequences for civilians. Pro-government forces relied heavily upon explosive weapons with wide area effects. These weapons wreaked havoc in densely populated west Mosul, where large groups of civilians were trapped.”

If military planners were unaware of the likely civilian toll, it quickly became evident.

“It was pro-government soldiers who assisted in countless front-line rescues, digging bodies out of collapsed buildings, separating the injured from the dead and arranging the transport of thousands to medical facilities,” the report said.

High Commissioner for the United Nations Human Rights Office, Zeid Al Hussein, said he urged the coalition to comply with humanitarian laws.

“I repeatedly called on coalition partners to ensure that military operations complied with international humanitarian law,” he said in a statement this week.

“Airstrikes were a significant factor in causing civilian casualties.”

The Amnesty International report came in the days after Human Rights Watch argued there had been major breaches of international law in its ‘Civilian Casualties Mount in West Mosul: Coalition’ report.

The group has also reported on mass graves in government-controlled areas, indicating war crimes.

A spokeswoman for the group Belkis Wille told The New Daily: “All of the families I speak to have a story about neighbours, loved ones or friends being killed in airstrikes. The people coming out of west Mosul are the most traumatised I have ever interviewed.”

Experts warn that Islamic State, far from being defeated, have created a major jihad spectacle which will drive recruitment.

Security expert Professor Clinton Fernandes told The New Daily: “While the public is generally unaware of most US military operations, since the media has largely been scrubbed clean of this kind of coverage, radical groups rely on satellite TV and the internet to get a different message out.”

Terror expert Dr Clarke Jones told The New Daily the deaths of so many civilians could drive extremism.

“Here is another case where the West has stepped in and caused the death of innocents. There are a lot of angry people. They see this injustice and want to take action,” he said.


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Over the course of this war more like

1,500,000.

That's one million five hundred thousand.
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Reply #96 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:18pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head






yes, it was such a stupid comment the first time you made it that it deserved to be ignored, not sure why you would put it up again. It's still a stupid comment .

but I think spot on-  Wink

you bought info back here from Sparta- about the mothra thread- that is my point
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Reply #97 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:20pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:08pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

But I am sure they will be glad  to know they have snitch among the ranks- you can see Sparta I cannot- be it on your own head






yes, it was such a stupid comment the first time you made it that it deserved to be ignored, not sure why you would put it up again. It's still a stupid comment .

but I think spot on-  Wink


we both know you don't think so don't lie.
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  ID Mothra.

yet another story designed to make people feel shame and have a "state crash".  this is unhelpful and the complete opposite of good clean feminine energy.

please watch another story from iraq where a women shows nurturing feminine energy to her partner who shows  courageous and noble masculine energy.


be inspired, vibe with awesomeness  Wink


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The true war criminals are the disgusting cowrds who force civillians to act as shields.

These consumate cowards are worthless scum.
They cannot fight like men
They do not fight like soldiers
They only attack those weaker than themselves
They brutalize the civilian population..


I woukd lay money on the fact that they themselves murdered the civilians just to get sympathy.

We should give them none at all and just nuke the lot of em.
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Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I never sawthe thread /not a member there and I am not playing these stupid  games anymore-


irrelevant. you commented on what happened over there. If you don't want to play the games, don't get in the middle of them.

and I doubt you know how to tie your shoelaces let alone anything else.

Am not a MEMBER there

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Reply #101 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:53pm
 
It is but pretty spot on I think- I think it is hard to have any kind of friendship in these forums- so many pp whispering behind the scenes and when that happens ( as it inevitably does I find ) then I am out of here- I don't hang around to be harrassed or suffer silent ostracistation- not my bag- but good luck Mothra- I dont hate you but I sure don't understand you at all -
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Reply #102 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:57pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
It is but pretty spot on I think- I think it is hard to have any kind of friendship in these forums- so many pp whispering behind the scenes and when that happens ( as it inevitably does I find ) then I am out of here- I don't hang around to be harrassed or suffer silent ostracistation- not my bag- but good luck Mothra- I dont hate you but I sure don't understand you at all -



Why are you looking for friendship here? It;s just a forum

Speak your mind. State and defend your position.

Keep friendships for the real world.
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Reply #103 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
It is but pretty spot on I think- I think it is hard to have any kind of friendship in these forums- so many pp whispering behind the scenes and when that happens ( as it inevitably does I find ) then I am out of here- I don't hang around to be harrassed or suffer silent ostracistation- not my bag- but good luck Mothra- I dont hate you but I sure don't understand you at all -


Its really quite simple.
She is a victim, in everything, continually looking for any outragious cause to play t g e victim card.
She is a muzzo plant, protecting, apologising and pandering to the muzzo doctrine
I have my suspicions about her and thing that she is yet another pseudonym of the trolls in this forum.

The syntaxes, the words the structure of the sentences all lead me to believe that she is not who she says she is.
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Reply #105 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:15pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
It is but pretty spot on I think- I think it is hard to have any kind of friendship in these forums- so many pp whispering behind the scenes and when that happens ( as it inevitably does I find ) then I am out of here- I don't hang around to be harrassed or suffer silent ostracistation- not my bag- but good luck Mothra- I dont hate you but I sure don't understand you at all -



Why are you looking for friendship here? It;s just a forum

Speak your mind. State and defend your position.

Keep friendships for the real world.

well you do tend to get close to one or two but inevitably they turn on you because women are so judgemental- as a younger woman in my teens and 20s got on well with most males because they weren't judgemental- I found females always to be judgemental and bitchy- but now I do say and do what I want- and its sad that there arent many who will stick with you and accept you the way you are- being friends with woman has not always been easy for - some just jealous- others simply judgemental- anyway this is last from me-

Stay strong and love yourself first- I am tired of one minute you are ok- next your on the out !

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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

I also have male friends who i love dearly, but my sisters are special.

I wish that for all women. I' so very sorry that you don't have that.

Perhaps join groups? I'm sure there are other women near you who would cherish your friendship.
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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

I also have male friends who i love dearly, but my sisters are special.

I wish that for all women. I' so very sorry that you don't have that.

Perhaps join groups? I'm sure there are other women near you who would cherish your friendship.

  I am making a few friends now at my work- good pp- my kids left home and my kids were my world- some tough adjustments to make in the last 3 years- it will come to you when yours flies the nest- hopefully it will be a bit easier for you- 
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Reply #108 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

I also have male friends who i love dearly, but my sisters are special.

I wish that for all women. I' so very sorry that you don't have that.

Perhaps join groups? I'm sure there are other women near you who would cherish your friendship.

  I am making a few friends now at my work- good pp- my kids left home and my kids were my world- some tough adjustments to make in the last 3 years- it will come to you when yours flies the nest- hopefully it will be a bit easier for you- 


You live regionally too, don't you?  That makes it harder.
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Reply #109 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
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  ID Mothra.

yet another story designed to make people feel shame and have a "state crash".  this is unhelpful and the complete opposite of good clean feminine energy.

please watch another story from iraq where a women shows nurturing feminine energy to her partner who shows  courageous and noble masculine energy.


be inspired, vibe with awesomeness  Wink





thats beautiful aqua.. puts a lot into perspective doesnt it?....such courage  it brought tears to my eyes......
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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

I also have male friends who i love dearly, but my sisters are special.

I wish that for all women. I' so very sorry that you don't have that.

Perhaps join groups? I'm sure there are other women near you who would cherish your friendship.

  I am making a few friends now at my work- good pp- my kids left home and my kids were my world- some tough adjustments to make in the last 3 years- it will come to you when yours flies the nest- hopefully it will be a bit easier for you- 



aggie I am always your friend....friends dont always say the things you want to hear , the point of a good friend is what they say is with the best intentions for you  not to make themselves feel good..

would you prefer a friend to lie if you asked them'

'does my bum look big in this.' truth be told very much so.....but they said NO..to make you feel better....

well I am the type that will be honest if it needs saying...if I thought you would be ridiculed I would have to tell you..yes your bum does look big..change it my friend...

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Agnes wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

I also have male friends who i love dearly, but my sisters are special.

I wish that for all women. I' so very sorry that you don't have that.

Perhaps join groups? I'm sure there are other women near you who would cherish your friendship.

  I am making a few friends now at my work- good pp- my kids left home and my kids were my world- some tough adjustments to make in the last 3 years- it will come to you when yours flies the nest- hopefully it will be a bit easier for you- 



aggie I am always your friend....friends dont always say the things you want to hear , the point of a good friend is what they say is with the best intentions for you  not to make themselves feel good..

would you prefer a friend to lie if you asked them'

'does my bum look big in this.' truth be told very much so.....but they said NO..to make you feel better....

well I am the type that will be honest if it needs saying...if I thought you would be ridiculed I would have to tell you..yes your bum does look big..change it my friend...



Interesting Cods. You hate me for those very qualities.

Hate, even.
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Women ont have friends.

Men have mates and stick together.

Women have acquaintances and will stab them in the back in an instant.


Sorry Valkie - but 'Aussie Mateship' died when Keating stabbed Hawk in the back and now they 'all do it'.
QLD V NSW was not born upon a good competitive 'sport' spirit - it was born upon 'mates' violently abusing one another.

Australia: Go to war for the Queen?
...nah, rather go crawl to the President.


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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
strolling bones wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
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I'm sincerely sorry for you. My sisters keep me sane. I have a strong, core group of female friends who support and entertain me tremendously.

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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:38am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:56am:
Where was AI when the Yazidi sex slaves and their murdered fathers and brothers needed them? Well, they were calling for an international response 6 months ago:


Perhaps you should look in places other than Breibart or Jihad watch?


Horrors of sexual violence’: Yazidi women forced into slavery, commit suicide, Amnesty says
https://www.rt.com/news/216891-yazidi-women-suicide-isis/


Amnesty condemns detention of Yazidi woman in Iraqi Kurdistan

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-yazidi-idUSKCN11I005



So long as they are "saying and "condemning" they're making a difference in everyone's lives aren't they?


Indeed.

'Condemning' is the big action items on the Proggy Left  - apart from burning stuff down and shutting down discussions.


They condemned the enslavement of these women and girls up to the point of NOT actually doing anything.

But when someone DID something, they swing into 'condemnation' of that action.
And then go off to have their hair died ping and another dophin tattooed on their fat ankles.
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No, they are not!!!

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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 4:15pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 1:34pm:
Absolutely, where is the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes,



the story is that AI accuses them of it, no one has said it's been proven



Exact nothing but bullsh1t and slander, not even a commentary on what they are accusing the RAAF of doing.

Just call the the RAAF war criminals and their fkken job is done.


Well fkk amnesty international, they are nothing more than pack of lying pricks, fkken gutless bastards all talk and no real action.


Nothing more than a bunch of fkken cowards.  Angry Angry



and you know it's nothing but 'bullsh1t and slander' because you've seen all their evidence, right? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Nobody has seen their 'evidence', that's the issue.


They have not even stated they have 'evidence' or that they will be presenting the 'evidence' to the Hague. Not even to detail the action where we committed these horrendous crimes.

Not a single piece of information to substantiate their claims.


Nothing screams pack of fkking lies than a paucity of substantiated information.



It is not better than randomly screaming peadophile at random males walking down the street.


I have never had much respect for these clowns, even less professional than PETA.







And still no evidence to support their slanderous claims of war crimes.


But what would you expect from amnesty, mothra and smithy, just throw some sh1t and slink off like mangy dogs.



The worst kind of filthy fkken liars.  Angry Angry


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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:14am:
And still no evidence to support their slanderous claims of war crimes.


But what would you expect from amnesty, mothra and smithy, just throw some sh1t and slink off like mangy dogs.


I can't speak for Mothra, but I'm not privy to AI's evidence. Of course, if you weren't so busy with your confected outrage, you would have realised that on your own. Ask AI about what evidence they have, not me.
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John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:32am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:14am:
And still no evidence to support their slanderous claims of war crimes.


But what would you expect from amnesty, mothra and smithy, just throw some sh1t and slink off like mangy dogs.


I can't speak for Mothra, but I'm not privy to AI's evidence. Of course, if you weren't so busy with your confected outrage, you would have realised that on your own. Ask AI about what evidence they have, not me.




The only defence against slander i if it is the truth. It is incumbent on amnesty and anyone who repeats or supports their slanderous statement to provide that proof, immediately.


Until they supply the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, I will continue to call them and their supporters what they are, filthy fkken liars.



Repeating or supporting slanderous statements makes you no better than those fkking scumbags.



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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:59am:
The only defence against slander i if it is the truth. It is incumbent on amnesty and anyone who repeats or supports their slanderous statement to provide that proof, immediately.


Until they supply the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, I will continue to call them and their supporters what they are, filthy fkken liars.



Repeating or supporting slanderous statements makes you no better than those fkking scumbags.


don't be such a drama queen. When someone reports a crime to police they don't attend the police station with all the proof already acquired. They report the crime, then police investigate.

the fact remains that you don't know what proof AI has, you're just butthurt that anyone dared criticise our air force.

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John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:02am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:59am:
The only defence against slander i if it is the truth. It is incumbent on amnesty and anyone who repeats or supports their slanderous statement to provide that proof, immediately.


Until they supply the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, I will continue to call them and their supporters what they are, filthy fkken liars.



Repeating or supporting slanderous statements makes you no better than those fkking scumbags.


don't be such a drama queen. When someone reports a crime to police they don't attend the police station with all the proof already acquired. They report the crime, then police investigate.

the fact remains that you don't know what proof AI has, you're just butthurt that anyone dared criticise our air force.




The will come with a time / date, some specifics such as what was stolen, what it is worth, what the fkk it looks like.


They DO NOT just walk in and say I've been robbed and walk out, do they numpty?


They have details of the crime, where are the fkken details, smithy?


Slander is very easy when the target is not allowed to discussed what they do, isn't it, smithy?



I am absolutely fuming that these filthy lying cvvnts are even being listened to by just making up a slanderous statement and providing not details or factual evidence and then leaving it at that. fkk them and fkk anyone who supports their behaviuor.



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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:24am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:02am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:59am:
The only defence against slander i if it is the truth. It is incumbent on amnesty and anyone who repeats or supports their slanderous statement to provide that proof, immediately.


Until they supply the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, I will continue to call them and their supporters what they are, filthy fkken liars.



Repeating or supporting slanderous statements makes you no better than those fkking scumbags.


don't be such a drama queen. When someone reports a crime to police they don't attend the police station with all the proof already acquired. They report the crime, then police investigate.

the fact remains that you don't know what proof AI has, you're just butthurt that anyone dared criticise our air force.




The will come with a time / date, some specifics such as what was stolen, what it is worth, what the fkk it looks like.


They DO NOT just walk in and say I've been robbed and walk out, do they numpty?


They have details of the crime, where are the fkken details, smithy?


Slander is very easy when the target is not allowed to discussed what they do, isn't it, smithy?



I am absolutely fuming that these filthy lying cvvnts are even being listened to by just making up a slanderous statement and providing not details or factual evidence and then leaving it at that. fkk them and fkk anyone who supports their behaviuor.






well bigol   I do not like agreeing with mr smith but he is right  Amnesty are the ones you need to be asking these tough questions of.....they have probably given their evidence to the correct govt dept....and its for them to release the details...

if it was one of your sons being accused  I think you would prefer it thoroughly investigated before it was released to the public....

I know I would....


I find Amnesty very quick to jump up and down about America or Australia   but not a whole lot about ISIS  and other groups who believe in the vilest of abuses..

they are very careful whom they criticise....
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:24am:
They have details of the crime, where are the fkken details, smithy?


I already told you, ask them. I'm not sure why you keep asking me for these details. I don't work for or represent Amnesty International in any way. Never have, never will.

ohh, and before you go on your next rant, it's not uncommon for authorities investigating these sorts of crimes to not release details. There are international relationships at stake here. All we can work on is the story provided, it may be true, it may not, either way no one here knows. Just don't pretend you know it's a lie, you're just as much in the dark as everyone else.
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John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:24am:
They have details of the crime, where are the fkken details, smithy?


I already told you, ask them. I'm not sure why you keep asking me for these details. I don't work for or represent Amnesty International in any way. Never have, never will.

ohh, and before you go on your next rant, it's not uncommon for authorities investigating these sorts of crimes to not release details. There are international relationships at stake here. All we can work on is the story provided, it may be true, it may not, either way no one here knows. Just don't pretend you know it's a lie, you're just as much in the dark as everyone else.



I unlike you and mothra will not accept amnesty's 'truth' with out at least some details.


It is extremely uncommon for anyone to make an accusation without at the very least some basic details of the event in question, lest they be open to accusations of slander.


I don't expect radio and 'bombing tapes' but some details as to date, locations and squadron is not asking too much of a major supposedly professional organisation.


Because to determine a war crime they have to prove that our pilots knew that they were bombing civilians and disobeyed the order to not do so. Or do you think that the RAAF just flings 500 pounders all over the country side to see the 'cool' dust clouds, regardless of who is on the receiving end?


So where is the details?
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cods wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:37am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:24am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:02am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:59am:
The only defence against slander i if it is the truth. It is incumbent on amnesty and anyone who repeats or supports their slanderous statement to provide that proof, immediately.


Until they supply the evidence that the RAAF committed war crimes, I will continue to call them and their supporters what they are, filthy fkken liars.



Repeating or supporting slanderous statements makes you no better than those fkking scumbags.


don't be such a drama queen. When someone reports a crime to police they don't attend the police station with all the proof already acquired. They report the crime, then police investigate.

the fact remains that you don't know what proof AI has, you're just butthurt that anyone dared criticise our air force.




The will come with a time / date, some specifics such as what was stolen, what it is worth, what the fkk it looks like.


They DO NOT just walk in and say I've been robbed and walk out, do they numpty?


They have details of the crime, where are the fkken details, smithy?


Slander is very easy when the target is not allowed to discussed what they do, isn't it, smithy?



I am absolutely fuming that these filthy lying cvvnts are even being listened to by just making up a slanderous statement and providing not details or factual evidence and then leaving it at that. fkk them and fkk anyone who supports their behaviuor.






well bigol   I do not like agreeing with mr smith but he is right  Amnesty are the ones you need to be asking these tough questions of.....they have probably given their evidence to the correct govt dept....and its for them to release the details...

if it was one of your sons being accused  I think you would prefer it thoroughly investigated before it was released to the public....

I know I would....


I find Amnesty very quick to jump up and down about America or Australia   but not a whole lot about ISIS  and other groups who believe in the vilest of abuses..

they are very careful whom they criticise....



If you are supporting what amnesty is saying you are either privy to their evidence or you are supporting their slander, there is not mid-ground here.

So if the RAAF is harbouring war criminals I absolutely want the evidence presented to the Hague for prosecution, if this is a fkking lie, then I want a public apology by these scumbag arseholes.


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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:49am:
I unlike you and mothra will not accept amnesty's 'truth' with out at least some details.



for someone who claims to not like soft cock victims and  liars, you certainly do your share of it.

Where have I said I accept anything amnesty has said as the truth? For that matter, where has Mothra?
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:49am:
So where is the details?



John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:38am:
ask them

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John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 11:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:49am:
So where is the details?



John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:38am:
ask them




So you are supporting amnesty without any idea as to the details of their slanderous accusations?


They say the RAAF are war criminals and you accept it as fact without a single query as to the veracity of their lie.




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f you are supporting what amnesty is saying you are either privy to their evidence or you are supporting their slander, there is not mid-ground here.

So if the RAAF is harbouring war criminals I absolutely want the evidence presented to the Hague for prosecution, if this is a fkking lie, then I want a public apology by these scumbag arseholes



big ole I do not see where I have supported amnesty anywhere....in fact I cant stand these trumped up empires that have sprung up out of nowhere...

so I dont know what you are accusing me of and why?...

would you like a thorough investigation into this "war crime" before any details are released   if your son/grandson/brother was involved???


be cause I know I would...

.I would say to any angry irritable person demanding they break those rules..

to shut up....

irrational temper tantrums dont solve a thing....

because one is prepared to wait for the details... doesnt mean they support anything... at this stage..

the fact is they have reported something to a govt dept... ... and that dept has acknowledged that and is dealing with it...

did amnesty ask the same of ISIL  Smiley

Quote:
The report, titled ‘At Any Cost: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul, Iraq’, said Iraqi and US forces did not meet humanitarian law requirements.



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cods wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
f you are supporting what amnesty is saying you are either privy to their evidence or you are supporting their slander, there is not mid-ground here.

So if the RAAF is harbouring war criminals I absolutely want the evidence presented to the Hague for prosecution, if this is a fkking lie, then I want a public apology by these scumbag arseholes



big ole I do not see where I have supported amnesty anywhere....in fact I cant stand these trumped up empires that have sprung up out of nowhere...

so I dont know what you are accusing me of and why?...

would you like a thorough investigation into this "war crime" before any details are released   if your son/grandson/brother was involved???


be cause I know I would...

.I would say to any angry irritable person demanding they break those rules..

to shut up....

irrational temper tantrums dont solve a thing....

because one is prepared to wait for the details... doesnt mean they support anything... at this stage..

the fact is they have reported something to a govt dept... ... and that dept has acknowledged that and is dealing with it...

did amnesty ask the same of ISIL  Smiley

Quote:
The report, titled ‘At Any Cost: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul, Iraq’, said Iraqi and US forces did not meet humanitarian law requirements.



I would like to see that!



When I wrote "you' it wasn't you personally it was you, plural. I could have use youse,


I would prefer that amnesty didn't slander the RAAF before an investigation, if one was needed, was conducted. But if they are going to conduct a public trial they better have something to back up what they say.


That is why you can sue people for personal damages if they make unsubstantiated accusations, but not amnesty so it seems.


Im the one waiting for detail, mothra and smithy are in full support of amnesty and their slanderous accusations. And that is unacceptable to me , as it should be for everyone.


Where is the presumption of innocence, where is the waiting to all the facts to be assessed. Not here and not amnesty they fire off accusations of war crimes like it's no bog deal.  Angry Angry



I have friends still serving over there and I prefer that even if no-one gives a sh1t whether they live or die, they at least don't accuse them of being fkken war criminals.


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That is why you can sue people for personal damages if they make unsubstantiated accusations, but not amnesty so it seems.


they probably have bigole...its just not published   which is probably our govts way of doing it..

and your comment is the reason why they dont publish until its been fully investigated which means giving those ACCUSED a chance to defend what they are accused of doing...which will be the RAAF   its not the men in the planes......and many units have been accused of doing some bad stuff and sadly it has been proved to be correct......so it is important we have watchdogs out there..... and I think this is the correct approach    all I want is amnesty to approach every side with the same rules... and denounce them..


like the UN   I find it pretty much a toothless tiger.
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big ole.. when they arrest someone for murder   he/she is always treated with the presumption of innocence...by the powers that be...

he doesnt have to prove he is innocent  the prosecution has to prove he is guilty...

that is after all the legals have done their investigations.....

they never go into court the next day....yet when the arrest is made it is published..it is news after all.
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cods wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
That is why you can sue people for personal damages if they make unsubstantiated accusations, but not amnesty so it seems.


they probably have bigole...its just not published   which is probably our govts way of doing it..

and your comment is the reason why they dont publish until its been fully investigated which means giving those ACCUSED a chance to defend what they are accused of doing...which will be the RAAF   its not the men in the planes......and many units have been accused of doing some bad stuff and sadly it has been proved to be correct......so it is important we have watchdogs out there..... and I think this is the correct approach    all I want is amnesty to approach every side with the same rules... and denounce them..


like the UN   I find it pretty much a toothless tiger.



No the men & women who are flying are the ones dropping the bombs and if they are deliberately and defied orders they are the ones that will be prosecuted, that's how it works.


War crimes are committed by war criminals, they are people not institutions.


So amnesty will have to name, names of Australian pilots who committed war crimes.



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The majority of 'Friendly Fire' casualties were caused by USA Troops. Gotta love that clip of the USA Pilot (amphetimined) blowing up a British Tank and not realising it until it was too late.  Roll Eyes

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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
cods wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
That is why you can sue people for personal damages if they make unsubstantiated accusations, but not amnesty so it seems.


they probably have bigole...its just not published   which is probably our govts way of doing it..

and your comment is the reason why they dont publish until its been fully investigated which means giving those ACCUSED a chance to defend what they are accused of doing...which will be the RAAF   its not the men in the planes......and many units have been accused of doing some bad stuff and sadly it has been proved to be correct......so it is important we have watchdogs out there..... and I think this is the correct approach    all I want is amnesty to approach every side with the same rules... and denounce them..


like the UN   I find it pretty much a toothless tiger.



No the men & women who are flying are the ones dropping the bombs and if they are deliberately and defied orders they are the ones that will be prosecuted, that's how it works.


War crimes are committed by war criminals, they are people not institutions.


So amnesty will have to name, names of Australian pilots who committed war crimes.






do you think the pilots who disobeyed orders 

would only be dealt with if Amnesty complained????


really?...


if they deliberately defied orders then the investigation will expose that... and yes I do hope they are dealt with in a proper fashion..

but I would hope that would happen even without amnesty...

or do you believe its ok to do the wrong thing in war time as long as no one is checking who did it?...


I dont think they will have to name names to be honest

the destruction on the ground is more or less all they need.....

they would expect the RAAf to provide all those details..

as far as they are concerned   this was done on headqtrs orders......well thats how I read it...
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 11:50am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:49am:
So where is the details?



John Smith wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:38am:
ask them




So you are supporting amnesty without any idea as to the details of their slanderous accusations?


They say the RAAF are war criminals and you accept it as fact without a single query as to the veracity of their lie.


I'm not supporting anyone yet, nor have I accepted anything as fact.  I haven't seen enough information to make an informed opinion. Neither have you, and yet here you are writing it all off.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I recall the ABC reporting that sailors were torturing country shoppers, of course the self loathing luvvies lapped it up in an orgy of virtue signalling.
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BigOl64 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 3:18pm:
mothra and smithy are in full support of amnesty and their slanderous accusations.



you're a lying piece of sh1t.

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mothra wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
You hate me for those very qualities.

Hate, even.


You little proggies are such adolescents. You, Bwian, Arsie and the like - people either 'love' ou or 'hate' you.

You cannot imagine, ever, that people in good faith could simply disagree with you completely.  You must always, always bring the Emotionally Incontinent dimension to every discussion. You will immediately shift everything to emotion so as not to have to stay calm and reasonable and not to have to provide reasons for what you say.
It is your escape mechanism, to shift responsibility to emotion, away from reasoning. You can't reason so you throw emotional shite, like a monkey taunted in a cage.

You are damaged people. You and Bwian in particular are glaringly so.
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Bomb 'em all - let Allah sort 'em out.... the mullahs and ayatollahs send people to the wall every day on the principle that if they are being wronged it will all be set right in Heaven for them...

A li'l healthy martyrdom on the front porch never hurt nobody...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
Bomb 'em all - let Allah sort 'em out.... the mullahs and ayatollahs send people to the wall every day on the principle that if they are being wronged it will all be set right in Heaven for them...

A li'l healthy martyrdom on the front porch never hurt nobody...


I recon we should sponsor terrorist schools.

Teach them to build suicide vests.

Then,  for the final exam they have to prove it works, with them inside it in a nice safe place away from humans.

These retarded muzzos would never cotton on to it, they are just that stoooopid
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