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Reply #30 - Jul 19^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 12:10pm:

No, it is the rich getting too much money at the expense of the 80% on lower incomes.

That is why the Budget is in deficit with debt heading rapidly to $1Trn. Neoconservatism is draining money from the bottom 80–90%.

Swag has it exactly the wrong way out. Doubt he has the ability to learn and to see that. Shouting slogans is more his strength.

The budget is in deficit because govt spends more than it earns and productivity cannot keep up.

The 'rich' that you chide pay for the vast majority of govt expenditure and statistically their share has been increasing not decreasing.

20% pay 71% of income tax

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/tax%20share.jpg

The rich are overpayed idiots!

Check out your basic Cfo and the like: marries to a front bottom w\ 3 front bottom daughters.... Go Ne: tell me I'm wrong!

You can't buddy!

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Reply #31 - Jul 19^th, 2017 at 4:43pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

stunspore wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

As i said - the "working poor" have it a lot tougher than what you do with your "progressive taxation slavery" nonsense.

...ok wear your blinkers....it's a not so free ochlocracy afterall

Show me an advanced country without progressive taxation.

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Reply #32 - Jul 19^th, 2017 at 6:39pm

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

stunspore wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

As i said - the "working poor" have it a lot tougher than what you do with your "progressive taxation slavery" nonsense.

...ok wear your blinkers....it's a not so free ochlocracy afterall

Show me an advanced country without progressive taxation.

i don't believe there's a western 'democracy' ochlocracy without it........

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Reply #34 - Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:36pm

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

So an unproven idea that "zero progressive taxation" works.

Whether it works or not doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

The enslavement of minorities has always occurred, whether it's achieved by the point of a sword, gun or ballot box it matters not.

51% of people can effectively vote to enslave the other 49%

Hence progressive taxation is the rule of law, enshrined by the majority on a minority. A law that legalises the theft of money from a minority because that minority will never control government.

The majority can legalise anything they want. That is why lots of societies have bills of rights, to protect minorities from majorities.

Huh

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Reply #35 - Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:22pm

I didn't argue for people voting for or against "progressive taxation". What we can't agree is whether your idea of progressive taxation is slavery. You keep making it a "statement" when really it is an "opinion" of which few (other than Joe Hockey) supports.

You belittle and lessen the meaning of the word "slavery" - that those in history who were indentured, or kept under inhumane conditions are equivalent to you and your first world lifestyle.

Perhaps you mean to say that progressive taxation is "unfair". Well, there's a who debatepedia on this. And it does look a grim society - perhaps which is why no serious person thinks a society will remove it.

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Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 12:10am:

We need a French revolution:

Populist revolutions without any framework as to what will replace the current system have a bad habit of leading to societal disarray, often resulting in a leader with near absolute power or a tyrant taking power. Refer to the French Revolution, the Russian February 1917 revolution, the Arab Spring, etc.

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People accuse Capitalism of being a "dog eat dog" system, yet it was the Communists who ate each other when they were starving!

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Reply #38 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 1:37pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

stunspore wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

As i said - the "working poor" have it a lot tougher than what you do with your "progressive taxation slavery" nonsense.

...ok wear your blinkers....it's a not so free ochlocracy afterall

Show me an advanced country without progressive taxation.

i don't believe there's a western 'democracy' ochlocracy without it........

Swaggy has nothing but semantic circle parties at his place,.... yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy: some call it business acumen but most don't and just get off the crack leaving their liberal voting mate from high school to his late age apprenticeship!

Cheesy

Haha, go julie bishops safest electorate in the land: full of rich daddys boys coming off drugs Grin

Apparently Julie is going for the top job..... that means her electorate will become a popular means of getting the next laugh!

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Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 1:41pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

So an unproven idea that "zero progressive taxation" works.

Whether it works or not doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

The enslavement of minorities has always occurred, whether it's achieved by the point of a sword, gun or ballot box it matters not.

51% of people can effectively vote to enslave the other 49%

Hence progressive taxation is the rule of law, enshrined by the majority on a minority. A law that legalises the theft of money from a minority because that minority will never control government.

The majority can legalise anything they want. That is why lots of societies have bills of rights, to protect minorities from majorities.

Huh

Swaggy is a rebel without a cause: wedge politics for the sake of staying insane in the membrane!

i.e. just your typical di** from high school who always voted for the liberal party because his dad promised him the spare rental where he could smoke crack forever and maybe even give handouts to his flea mates Grin

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Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 1:45pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

So an unproven idea that "zero progressive taxation" works.

Whether it works or not doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

The enslavement of minorities has always occurred, whether it's achieved by the point of a sword, gun or ballot box it matters not.

51% of people can effectively vote to enslave the other 49%

Hence progressive taxation is the rule of law, enshrined by the majority on a minority. A law that legalises the theft of money from a minority because that minority will never control government.

The majority can legalise anything they want. That is why lots of societies have bills of rights, to protect minorities from majorities.

Huh

Has swaggy ever heard of the truism: "If it aint broke don't fix it!"

Swaggy is truly the internets biggest joke.... go fake conservatives I say, yay-> just look at copper internet in the asian century this country actually built and you'll surely want to smoke what the average capital "L"iberal party voter smokes too Shocked

Is swaggy actually john howard Cool

?????

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Re: Has Australia become a do-nothing citizen?
Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 2:12pm

stunspore wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:22pm:

I didn't argue for people voting for or against "progressive taxation". What we can't agree is whether your idea of progressive taxation is slavery. You keep making it a "statement" when really it is an "opinion" of which few (other than Joe Hockey) supports.

You belittle and lessen the meaning of the word "slavery" - that those in history who were indentured, or kept under inhumane conditions are equivalent to you and your first world lifestyle.

Perhaps you mean to say that progressive taxation is "unfair". Well, there's a who debatepedia on this. And it does look a grim society - perhaps which is why no serious person thinks a society will remove it.

I believe that my question to you was....

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

...so what's your understanding of 'real' slavery?

I'm not discussing fairness or unfairness due to the fact that being fair or unfair is immaterial.

Yes progressive taxation is 'fair' from a community perspective, and from the perspective of low income earners and consenting high income earners. That is why it's the staple tax system of most societies...........doesn't actually make it fair on the individual being robbed of his hard earned......doesn't make it right.

Mind you so-called 'Democratic' societies have also tolerated 'traditional' slavery, for example, the pre-civil war US. The majority of people thought it was perfectly ok to enslave black people, so they did.......didn't actually make it fair on the individual being robbed of their liberty......didn't make it right.

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Has Australia become a do-nothing citizen? Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2017 at 2:15pm ..meaning swaggy likes to sit on the fence...
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Has Australia become a do-nothing citizen? Reply #43 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 10:20pm ...hardly....you comrades are those that have no individual thoughts
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5089 Gender:	Re: Has Australia become a do-nothing citizen? Reply #44 - Jul 21^st, 2017 at 10:55pm Swag certainly have unusual thoughts. Thought to majority of people no doubt considered twisted or just plain wrong. Just to make him feel better, let's just call it a difference of opinions. Though more likely Swag just plain wrong.
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