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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

transgender people are mentally ill, they should not be in the defence force.

Bury them.

What would you expect to grow?

oh look, a couple of Peccas, only these 2 appear to have balls.

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

Thanks John, from your links
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The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:42pm

Thanks John, from your links
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The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

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and still, despite that, they exist in the army ....

and still, despite that, you were wrong

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:35pm

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

Thanks John, from your links
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The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

That is the US Army's "Standards of Military Fitness", I take it?

The Australian Army has a different viewpoint. How else then was Cate McGregor able to serve as a transsexual soldier? Roll Eyes

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:45pm John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:42pm: and still, despite that, they exist in the army .... and still, despite that, you were wrong wrong about what John? Its your link. Are you saying your link was wrong?
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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

Thanks John, from your links
Quote:

The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

That is the US Army's "Standards of Military Fitness", I take it?

The Australian Army has a different viewpoint. How else then was Cate McGregor able to serve as a transsexual soldier? Roll Eyes

I didnt say they were unable to serve in the military. What on earth is wrong with you 2? Basic english beyond you all of a sudden?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People Reply #22 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:48pm rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:47pm: I didnt say they were unable to serve in the military yeah you did. rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm: You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training
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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:49pm

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

Thanks John, from your links
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The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

Poor old Rhino: he forgot to provide a source for his quote.

No probs. I'll help him out.

Plus, I'll post some more text from the article he took it from.

First, the date:

"Jul 14, 2015"

And then:

"While roughly 15,500 transgender people are estimated to be currently serving in the military ... "

"Since the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell in 2011, the military has taken incremental steps towards full LGBT inclusion. Numerous studies and memos, including a supposedly confidential paper from the Congressional Research Service (Congress’s “think tank”), have concluded that the ban should be repealed, and it is now significantly harder to kick transgender service members out of the service for being transgender."

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Shall we move forward a year?

"JUN 30 2016, 2:45 PM ET"

"Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced an end to the military’s longstanding ban on openly transgender service members on Thursday, fulfilling a key piece of the Obama administration’s historic legacy on LGBT rights."

Link

Time to put down the shovel, Rhino.

More research, and less digging.

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

I didnt say they were unable to serve in the military

yeah you did.

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training

Naughty boy. Tampering with peoples posts is against forum rules John, heres the original quote. Looking for another holiday?
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=1499570982/8#8 date=1499754705] You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing. [/quote]

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People Reply #25 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:53pm Nonetheless John, that didnt cover up your stupidity because anyone who reads the thread can see your comments.
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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #26 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:54pm

"Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced an end to the military’s longstanding ban on openly transgender service members on Thursday, fulfilling a key piece of the Obama administration’s historic legacy on LGBT rights."

How silly does our little Rhino look now ?

I ask you.

Is he reaching for the shovel?

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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #27 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:55pm

Now for the more intelligent amongst us here whilst John and Pecca talk to themselves in babble, heres my comments again.

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

transgender people are mentally ill, they should not be in the defence force.

Stop being a homophobe, Rhino. Roll Eyes

I not against these people but it is a mental illness and the psychological testing should have weeded them out, if it didnt then they lied to get in.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131469 Gender:	Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People Reply #28 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:57pm Did you see this, John? "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced an end to the military’s longstanding ban on openly transgender service members on Thursday, fulfilling a key piece of the Obama administration’s historic legacy on LGBT rights." Perhaps Hammer and Rhino didn't get the memo.
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Re: US Defence Training on Transgender People
Reply #29 - Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:58pm

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:31pm:

You can't be transgender in the defence forces because they strip you back during training. There's no individuality during training. You are a man or a woman. No wigs, no different clothing, no hijabs, nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/army-trans-soldier_us_559dbd61e4b09672915574...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tricia-king-the-first-transgender-infantryman-in-...

Thanks John, from your links
Quote:

The Army’s Standards of Medical Fitness states that transsexualism, gender identity, and transvestism are among several “personality or psychosexual conditions,” including voyeurism and paraphilias, that “render an individual administratively unfit.”

That is the US Army's "Standards of Military Fitness", I take it?

The Australian Army has a different viewpoint. How else then was Cate McGregor able to serve as a transsexual soldier? Roll Eyes

I didnt say they were unable to serve in the military. What on earth is wrong with you 2? Basic english beyond you all of a sudden?

Appears you don't understand what you quoted, Rhino. Tsk, tsk. For a service person to be, "administratively unfit", means that they cannot serve. From the AR 40-501 12/14/2007 STANDARDS OF MEDICAL FITNESS:

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