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Reply #30 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:36pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 1:05am:
In the United States, debtors’ prisons were banned under federal law in 1833. A century and a half later, in 1983, the Supreme Court affirmed that incarcerating indigent debtors was unconstitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection clause.

During the 20th century, on three separate occasions, the Supreme Court affirmed the unconstitutionality of incarcerating those too poor to repay debt. In 1970, in Williams v. Illinois, the high court decided that a maximum prison term could not be extended because the defendant failed to pay court costs or fines. A year later, in Tate v. Short, the justices ruled that a defendant may not be jailed solely because he or she is too indigent to pay a fine.


It looks like the ACLU must have submitted revisions to your link, anyone can edit Wikipedia, anyone.

I understand that Courts find ways to bypass Constitutional protections. You get charged with contempt of court for failing to pay so the debt is the reason but technically it is failing to follow the order of the Court that will send you to jail. There is no Prison reserved for people who spend themselves into overwhelming debt!


Interesting and where do those quotes come from, Mort?  Google search doesn't show them at all.  I'll stick with Wikipedia for the moment.   It is verifiable.  You were wrong, according to it.   Debtor prisons existed after the US Revolution against British Rule.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:34am
 
Oh my, I made a mistake and forgot everything is legal until a law is passed against it. It took until 1833 to get the legislation to end debtors prison. That means it has only been illegal since 1833.
Panhandlers thrive at most intersections in our major cities, what a shame the Police can't scoop them all up and put them in jail. They refuse all offers of work, begging pays better. Unneeded leg braces, open shirts to show operation scars or removing an artificial limb to increase sympathy and guilt for not being in their condition. Their best chance to sucker me is when they have the little dog tied to the sign post where they panhandle.
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Reply #32 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 12:34am:
Oh my, I made a mistake and forgot everything is legal until a law is passed against it. It took until 1833 to get the legislation to end debtors prison. That means it has only been illegal since 1833.


When did the American Revolution occur, Mort?

Was it approximately 50 years before 1833?  Over half a century?

I'll take your answer as an admission that you were incorrect.   Particularly as it fails dismally to explain why Debtors' Prisons existed in the United States after 1833 (Virginia did not close it's last Debtors' Prison until 1849).   Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 3:05am
 
This is what your hero did while abusing the Office of President.

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Obama Failures:

    IRS targets Obama’s enemies
    Benghazi
    Spying on the AP
    The ATF “Fast and Furious” scheme
    Sebelius demands payment
    The Pigford Agriculture Department Scandal
    The General Services Administration Las Vegas Spending Spree.
    Veterans Affairs in Disney World and neglecting vets
    Solyndra
    New Black Panthers Voter Intimidation
    The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer
    Obama’s LIES about the Affordable Care Act
    “I’ll Pass My Own Laws”
    NSA Spying on American People

Foreign Policy

    Lack of solidarity with Israel
    Disaster with the Arab Spring
    Crimea
    Leaving Iraq too soon and letting ISIS take over
    Handling of Syrian Red Line
    Calling ISIS “JV”
    Failing to Recognize ISIS as a Radical (or Devout) Muslim Movement
    Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits
    Lack of Confidence by NATO nations
    Signing a Disastrous Nuclear Deal with the Mullahs of Ira
     Paid $5 Billion & Released 5 Taliban Prisoners For Deserter Bergdahl
    Waging war by attacking Libya without Congressional approval
    Allowed the building of Chinese bases in the South China Sea and off the coast of Somalia at the entrance to the gulf of Aden

     14. Paying ransom to Iranian for hostages- and using foreign currency in unmarked plane
     15. Lying about paying ransom (which media ignored!)
       16. Pays tribute to Japanese at Hiroshima on US Memorial Day
       17. Obama trashed America 18 times on Asian Tour
18. Pushing the U.N. resolution condemning Israel for legally building houses in Jewish neighborhoods
19. Released $221 million to the Palestinian Authority in last few hours
Domestic Policy

    Failure to secure the Border
    Illegals bringing guns, drug and diseases through the southern border
    Bowe Bergdahl swap
    Passing on the keystone pipeline
     9 Trillion dollars more in debt
    Vast expansion of government
    Racial Division at all-time high
    Inviting Bomb Boy Ahmed to White House
    Disrespect for Cops
    Failed economic stimulus plan
    Constant disregard for the Constitution and tyrannical rule
    China overtook America as world’s largest economy
    Double Downgrade
    Housing policies failed to stop foreclosures
    Price of healthcare has drastically risen for those purchasing it
    Education policies failed to curb college costs
    Highest percentage of Americans on Food Stamps and Medicaid
    Record 92,898,000 Americans over 16 years not working
    Lowest Labor Force participation rate of 62.7%
    Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism
    Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016
    Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to Czar Positions
    Mismanagement and cover up of Terrorist shootings in San Bernardino, California
    Mismanagement of Gulf Oil Spill
    Disastrous Vetting Process of “Immigrants” from Muslim Nations
    Refusing to Listen to CIA/FBI that there is no way to properly vet certain immigrants from Muslim nations

27.  Fort Hood Shooting
28.  Colorado EPA Disaster
  29. Veto of 911 Crime Bill- which was overturned
  30. Worst economic recovery since the depression with anemic GDP numbers
  31. Over 94 million Americans out of the workforce
  32. Obama commutes sentence on Chelsea Manning
   33. Obama commuted the sentence of FALN activist Oscar López Rivera

There is one story that has always sounded implausible. After ten years of no "proof of life" Obama sent Seal Team 6 to kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. The story of the Assault changed by the hour in the first few days. Osama hid behind one of his three wives, he was caught unaware while watching porn, he tried to use an AK-47 when shot by a man who claimed to have killed him. Than they removed the body and claimed to have had a burial at sea. So now they had no proof of death either. I'm not saying the story is fake but it sure seems full of holes.
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Reply #34 - Jul 23rd, 2017 at 7:54pm
 
Most of those events were not his direct responsibility.

"Bringing guns through the southern border"?   Yea gods, who'd bother bringing guns to the USA?  The place is awash with them.

Mort, like most Right-Wingers you don't know didly squat about what a Government can and cannot do.

I was surprised you didn't try and claim that Obama wanted all your guns - something which was demonstrably false.  Tsk, tsk.   Get back to us with some facts or do you want me to start posting facts about Trump?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 12:00am
 
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Most of those events were not his direct responsibility.


Actually they were!

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"Bringing guns through the southern border"?   Yea gods, who'd bother bringing guns to the USA?  The place is awash with them.


Through does not mean "one way", the guns went South and the drugs went North. This was why Eric Holder and Barack Obama created "Operation fast and furious" to show how lax American gun Laws are. The Gun Stores declined these sales until the BATFE told them it was part of a government operation and approved the background checks. Most guns disappeared into Mexico and because of these sales two Federal Agents and a few thousand Mexicans died. Stolen and "Straw purchase" guns have been smuggled into Mexico ever since they virtually disarmed their honest citizens but never before on a massive scale and not by another government.

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Mort, like most Right-Wingers you don't know didly squat about what a Government can and cannot do.


Government exists for its own power over its people. I have found when you push back against local government they don't like waves and usually placate complainers like me. At higher levels they are protected from the voters by distance. If you drop by their district office you find some flunky who will listen politely, tell you they "feel your pain" and promise to bring your concern to your Representatives attention. If you write them a letter or E-mail them you will get a form letter response.  At some point people in government both elected and employees believe the People are too stupid to know what is best for them and need strong leadership. They also feel they are above the law and can justify anything.
If the Democrats were judged by the same standard as the Republicans there would be a lot more people in Federal Prisons! If the world was a fair place both Clintons and maybe even their slow witted daughter would be wearing convict orange.

The first President of the United States said: “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence,—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

After Obama won the 2008 election and before he took office he had a team research how much power he had. One of his first failed hopes was to Federalize the Retirement income of all Americans. He hoped to take over all retirement accounts and dole out an income based on some government formula.

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I was surprised you didn't try and claim that Obama wanted all your guns - something which was demonstrably false.


If it was a simple thing he would have outlawed private ownership. He would have gladly signed any citizen disarmament bill that came to his desk. By his own admission he never owned any firearm in his entire life and the only time he is known to have fired one was a "photo op" at Camp David during his time in office. 
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Reply #36 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm
 
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
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Reply #37 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
So US foreign policy in Libya isn't the blame under Obama??? That's a first from a leftie.
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Reply #38 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:22pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
So US foreign policy in Libya isn't the blame under Obama??? That's a first from a leftie.


I wasn't aware that the US Government controlled the actions of Terrorist groups in Libya, Hammer.  Funny how you lot always twist the blame towards Obama and away from the real culprits.  Apologist.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
So US foreign policy in Libya isn't the blame under Obama??? That's a first from a leftie.


I wasn't aware that the US Government controlled the actions of Terrorist groups in Libya, Hammer.  Funny how you lot always twist the blame towards Obama and away from the real culprits.  Apologist.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
Well considering ISIS are in Libya and ISIS originated in Iraq Brian?????
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Reply #40 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
So US foreign policy in Libya isn't the blame under Obama??? That's a first from a leftie.


I wasn't aware that the US Government controlled the actions of Terrorist groups in Libya, Hammer.  Funny how you lot always twist the blame towards Obama and away from the real culprits.  Apologist.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Well considering ISIS are in Libya and ISIS originated in Iraq Brian?????


IS may be in Libya but it is not under the day-to-day control of IS in Syria.   All they are, are people who have claimed allegiance to IS.  I don't doubt that at the most basic level, there are doctrinal and ideological differences which haven't been reconciled between the two groups.

However, this is distracting from the main point - Obama did not control the various Terrorist groups in Libya or anywhere else for that matter.  They did their own thing, when they wanted to.   Funny that, hey, Hammer.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes

As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?    Roll Eyes

As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.    Roll Eyes

My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.  You don't think it might be a tad biases at all?   I and many other objective views of US politics would.
So US foreign policy in Libya isn't the blame under Obama??? That's a first from a leftie.


I wasn't aware that the US Government controlled the actions of Terrorist groups in Libya, Hammer.  Funny how you lot always twist the blame towards Obama and away from the real culprits.  Apologist.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Well considering ISIS are in Libya and ISIS originated in Iraq Brian?????


IS may be in Libya but it is not under the day-to-day control of IS in Syria.   All they are, are people who have claimed allegiance to IS.  I don't doubt that at the most basic level, there are doctrinal and ideological differences which haven't been reconciled between the two groups.

However, this is distracting from the main point - Obama did not control the various Terrorist groups in Libya or anywhere else for that matter.  They did their own thing, when they wanted to.   Funny that, hey, Hammer.    Roll Eyes
Just admit it. Obama as well as many other people helped destabilise parts of the middle east which has led to what we have now. It's not the only reason but it is a reason. It's just a fact Brian.
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Reply #42 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
Just admit it. Obama as well as many other people helped destabilise parts of the middle east which has led to what we have now. It's not the only reason but it is a reason. It's just a fact Brian.


Yep, I'm willing to accept that BUT and it is a big but, that wasn't on Mort's list, Hammer.  So, as we are discussing Mort's charges, it doesn't count.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes



Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

    In retrospect, Obama’s intervention in Libya was an abject failure, judged even by its own standards. Libya has not only failed to evolve into a democracy; it has devolved into a failed state. Violent deaths and other human rights abuses have increased severalfold. Rather than helping the United States combat terrorism, as Qaddafi did during his last decade in power, Libya now serves as a safe haven for militias affiliated with both al Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). The Libya intervention has harmed other U.S. interests as well: undermining nuclear nonproliferation, chilling Russian cooperation at the UN, and fueling Syria’s civil war.?

    As bad as Libya’s human rights situation was under Qaddafi, it has gotten worse since NATO ousted him. Immediately after taking power, the rebels perpetrated scores of reprisal killings, in addition to torturing, beating, and arbitrarily detaining thousands of suspected Qaddafi supporters. The rebels also expelled 30,000 mostly black residents from the town of Tawergha and burned or looted their homes and shops, on the grounds that some of them supposedly had been mercenaries. Six months after the war, Human Rights Watch declared that the abuses “appear to be so widespread and systematic that they may amount to crimes against humanity.”?
    
    As a consequence of such pervasive violence, the UN estimates that roughly 400,000 Libyans have fled their homes, a quarter of whom have left the country altogether. ?




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As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?


It was your impression and your mistake to believe that everything flowed in one direction. Southern border is a location and through is movement. Only you choose to assume to play the old debate trick of when you know you are wrong you double down.  Illegals move freely back and forth unless stopped by U.S. Border Agents.

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As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.


I have no problem supporting Israel against the Islamists and Western Countries shouldn't either. The took back what was theirs:

The Israelites occupied and conquered Palestine, or Canaan, beginning in the late 2nd millennium bc  and the Bible justifies such occupation by identifying Canaan with the Promised Land, the land promised to the Israelites by God.


Obama is an Atheist just like his mother before him and her family. He has strong Muslim sympathies due to his years in Indonesian schools. He has no cultural connection to either Jews or Christians.

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My list of Obama's achievements came from an independent source - the MSM.  Your list appears to come from a partisan, Republican source.


It has now been proven beyond all doubt that the MSM is not a reliable source of information. Over and over they have admitted their goal is to influence and lead a gullible viewership. People who won't see the bias have no right to attack the fools who believe Infowars coverage. At this point one has clearly sunk to the level of the other.

Obamas real legacy is that he destroyed Race Relations between American Blacks and the rest of the country. The Hispanics hate the Blacks as much as they ever did if not more and the rest of us just tolerate them. So many have been promoted beyond their ability in Government as well as filling quotas in Businesses that the favoritism is undeniable. The Obama system is to place the competent person who earned the promotion directly under the incompetent Obama favored individual.

Another reason to hate Trump is these policies for Federal employment are quietly being overturned and a quota based on local population used in its place. Federal jobs for the last eight years have had very few openings for White male Americans while creating unneeded positions to hire more politically desirable individuals. The department I am referring to is 80% black with a local black population of 16%. There are a lot of nervous people in that department. They don't have a lot of sucessful job performance history to fall back on!
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Mortdooley wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 12:09am:
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So, then, Mort, explain to us how Obama was responsible for the Terrorist attack in Benghazi?

I wasn't aware that Obama was in charge of the Terrorists in Libya.  What happened in Benghazi was purely the responsibility of the Terrorists, not the US Government.   You appear to be conferring god-like powers on the White House for some reason.    Roll Eyes



Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Tsk, tsk, trying dismally to widen the claim now, Mort?   Tsk, tsk, never took you for a exaggerator.  Lets stick with your original claim about the attack on Benghazi?   So, according to you, the Terrorists have no free will and are under the control of Obama?  Tsk, tsk.   We call that "bullshit" downunder, mate.

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[quote]As for "bringing guns through the Southern border" implies the flow of firearms is in one direction - northwards.   As you had already mentioned "fast and furious" once before in your list, you don't think your double-dipping?


It was your impression and your mistake to believe that everything flowed in one direction. Southern border is a location and through is movement. Only you choose to assume to play the old debate trick of when you know you are wrong you double down.  Illegals move freely back and forth unless stopped by U.S. Border Agents.


Doesn't work, Mort.  You claimed "bringing guns through the Southern border" - that implies a northwards movement to the USA in an objective reader's mind.   Double dipping indeed!   Roll Eyes

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As for "lack of solidarity with Israel", as far as I am aware, Obama was being far more objective than previous and post administrations have been on the Israeli-Palestinian issue.  Israel has illegally built numerous settlements in the Occupied Territories - including Jerusalem.  Obama told it as it was, not how the Zionist lobby in Washington likes it portrayed.  Israel is the oppressor, not the oppressed in Palestine.  The Palestinians are being oppressed.  Israel is engaged in Ethnic cleansing, not the Palestinians.   Time you caught up with the rest of the world.


I have no problem supporting Israel against the Islamists and Western Countries shouldn't either. The took back what was theirs:

The Israelites occupied and conquered Palestine, or Canaan, beginning in the late 2nd millennium bc  and the Bible justifies such occupation by identifying Canaan with the Promised Land, the land promised to the Israelites by God.

Obama is an Atheist just like his mother before him and her family. He has strong Muslim sympathies due to his years in Indonesian schools. He has no cultural connection to either Jews or Christians.


Except he claims he is a Christian and attends Christian churches to pray and go to services, Mort.

The Israelis was last in occupation of Palestine over 2000 years ago.   Sorry, their lease on the land expired when the Romans ejected them from there.   They were trouble then and they are trouble now.   The UN granted them a homeland, without consulting the present owners of the land, the Palestinians.   Israel has been busy ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from Palestine.   Your own President Bush declared Ethnic Cleansing was illegal.  He established the rules, Mort.  Take it up with him.   Roll Eyes

Personally, I support the right of Israel, as declared in 1948, to exist.   It would have been better to have established a multicultural rather than a Jewish state but what is done is done.  Israel however has no right to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, any more than the Nazis had any right to ethnically cleanse the Jews from Europe.   The Palestinians have owned that land for approximately 2000 years.   The Jews all fled Palestine.  Time they realise they are the invaders.  Time American Zionists realised that as well.  If Israel can exist, so can Palestine.

Your list is partisan, Mort.  Deeply so.   You appear to hate Obama for no other reason than his politics and perhaps his skin colour.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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