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Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ...
Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:32am

... The homeowner, who is not being named, is not being charged because he acted in self defense.

Lovely.

It was only yesterday that I was talking to a woman who was doing a tour of her local Pawn Shops because her entire collection of jewelry had just been stolen by a burglar or two.

The sense of having her privacy and 'safe space' invaded and defiled by these bastards was just as upsetting as the jewels going missing.

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How stupid is it of these US burglars to risk their lives for a few dollars in a country where private gun-ownership is legal and where they can be shot dead quite legally by the home-owner.

This has to be a case of culling the herd of retarded gene-carriers.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ... Reply #1 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:41am Two less criminals in the world is a good thing, however, something about this story doesn't quite add up. "The homeowner then chases* the two men outside and continues to shoot."* "The homeowner, who is not being named, is not being charged because he acted in self defense". What the ... ?
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ... Reply #2 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:42am I get the shooting at your place of residence, but running after them still shooting?
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Reply #3 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:50am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:42am:

I get the shooting at your place of residence, but running after them still shooting?

How can shooting someone in the back, who's running away from you, be self defense?

I reckon these two crims were probably well known to the cops, and as reward for doing their job for them, they let the home owner off.

Anyway, it all ended well I suppose.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ... Reply #4 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:05am money is worth far more than LIFE only in America
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Reply #5 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:06am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:42am:

I get the shooting at your place of residence, but running after them still shooting?

He should be given an award for conscientiously having chased after these vermin to cull them from the community.

I've had my house burgled while I was at work.

A bullet in the head is what these filthy swine fully deserve.

God Bless America.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Shoots and kills two would-be burglars ... Reply #6 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:09am cods wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:05am: money is worth far more than LIFE only in America The invasion of ones home is sufficient reason to blow these bastards into the next life.
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Reply #7 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:12am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:06am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 9:42am:

I get the shooting at your place of residence, but running after them still shooting?

He should be given an award for conscientiously having chased after these vermin to cull them from the community.

I've had my house burgled while I was at work.

A bullet in the head is what these filthy swine fully deserve.

Gob Bless America.

Yeah, whatever Herr Bert.

You're missing the point, though.

They say it was "self defense".

How is shooting someone in the back, who's running away from you, self defense?

Why not tell the truth, and simply say that "the summary execution of these two career criminals saved the police officers involved a great deal of time, that would otherwise have been spent in the courts. Thus, the home owner will not be charged".

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Reply #8 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

Why not tell the truth, and simply say that "the summary execution of these two career criminals saved the police officers involved a great deal of time, that would otherwise have been spent in the courts. Thus, the home owner will not be charged".

Rubbish, individual police officers do not determine whether someone is going to be charged with murder or not and US law is quite different to ours as to what is considered self defence. Displaying your ignorance yet again.

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Reply #9 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:31am

we could do with laws like this here in Australia
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California self-defense laws provide that you can't be found guilty of a violent crime that you committed in order to protect yourself, as long as your conduct was reasonable under the circumstances. 1

For purposes of the self-defense legal defense, “reasonable under the circumstances” means that you need to have:

Reasonably believed that you were in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully,
Reasonably believed that you needed to use force to prevent that from happening, and
Used no more force than was necessary to prevent that from happening.2
Moreover, thanks to California's so-called “stand your ground laws,” you are under no obligation to “retreat” – that is, to run away or try to escape – before you use self-defense to protect yourself.

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Reply #10 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:34am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:09am:

cods wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

money is worth far more than LIFE

only in America

The invasion of ones home is sufficient reason to blow these bastards into the next life.

so if you had a wayward son or daughter for that matter..

you would say the same thing.....blow them away.....

I dont think I agree with that...they are far too gun happy in America.. you do not stand a chance against a gun..

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Reply #11 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:35am

cods wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:05am:

money is worth far more than LIFE

only in America

Peace and safety within a society of men, is worth more than the 'sanctity' of the lives of serious criminals cods, imo.

If i were to rape your daughter/grand-daughter cods.

Is that OK ?

Why not ???

Should i be protected, by the laws of this land, if i committed such a crime ?

cods,

Q.
How can we, as a society of men, deter such behaviour in men ?

Deuteronomy 19:19
.....so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Deuteronomy 19:20
And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

Deuteronomy 24:7
.....then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.

Punishment [and righteous revenge] of wrongdoing, is how a widespread PEACE within a society of men, is achieved.
....when wrongdoers, criminals, oppressors and wicked men, are brought to account, for their poor choices.

No ?

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Reply #12 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:36am

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

Why not tell the truth, and simply say that "the summary execution of these two career criminals saved the police officers involved a great deal of time, that would otherwise have been spent in the courts. Thus, the home owner will not be charged".

Rubbish ...

I'm 100% correct, as usual.

The police are going easy on him, as he saved them a lot of time (which could otherwise be spent at the local donut shop).

This wasn't self defense - it was summary execution, pure & simple.

However, considering two criminals are off the streets, and no innocent bystanders were harmed, my response is: pfft Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:39am

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

we could do with laws like this here in Australia
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California self-defense laws provide that you can't be found guilty of a violent crime that you committed in order to protect yourself, as long as your conduct was reasonable under the circumstances. 1

For purposes of the self-defense legal defense, “reasonable under the circumstances” means that you need to have:

Reasonably believed that you were in imminent danger of being killed, injured, or touched unlawfully,
Reasonably believed that you needed to use force to prevent that from happening, and
Used no more force than was necessary to prevent that from happening.2
Moreover, thanks to California's so-called “stand your ground laws,” you are under no obligation to “retreat” – that is, to run away or try to escape – before you use self-defense to protect yourself.

They were shot in the back, whilst running away.

That isn't self defense, in any state or country.

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Reply #14 - Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:43am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:36am:

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 10:12am:

Why not tell the truth, and simply say that "the summary execution of these two career criminals saved the police officers involved a great deal of time, that would otherwise have been spent in the courts. Thus, the home owner will not be charged".

Rubbish ...

I'm 100% correct, as usual.

The police are going easy on him, as he saved them a lot of time (which could otherwise be spent at the local donut shop).

This wasn't self defense - it was summary execution, pure & simple.

However, considering two criminals are off the streets, and no innocent bystanders were harmed, my response is: pfft Roll Eyes

You're a 100% opinionated twat as usual, not to mention being 100% WRONG.......as usual.

As long as he shot the sh!t in or on his own property, in the US it's perfectly within the law. Unlike this place, you are allowed to defend your own family and your own property.

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