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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #15 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
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I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #16 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:49pm
 
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet. 




Someone needs to do their homework.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #17 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:49pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet. 




Someone needs to do their homework.
You got that right. Im curious, when was the last time you were in Indonesia since you seem to know so much about it.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #18 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:55pm
 
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #19 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:00pm
 
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:53pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:49pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet. 




Someone needs to do their homework.
You got that right. Im curious, when was the last time you were in Indonesia since you seem to know so much about it.
Ah, theres the answer. Never. Oh dear, Mothra babbling again about nothing she any actual knowledge of, frantically googling for blog sites which support her pre conceived ideas.  Nothing to see here folks, same old, same old.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
Not frantically googling at all. Sharing a video i think you should see for your further education, as you are talking utter crap.

And you understand we're talking about West Papua, not Indonesia, right?

And whether i've been to Indonesia or not, or how many times i have been there,  has absolutely no bearing on what is going on in West Papua.

It's just you, flailing around again with no idea, trying to desperately pull rank. It's a deeply pathetic debating technique.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.


I think  your  right. Unless  they find either  oil or gas reserves there no one will ever be interested.

I can see value  in the original  post but tbh I'd  rather  see our government  do more for northern half this country  before  we do more o.s
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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:10pm
 
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet. 


A separatist war? ..... On & in their own country?

A country that never ever belonged to Indonesia ... a country itself only after the 1940's ... before that it was simply the Spice Islands & occupied by the Dutch & Portuguese.

A different race of people ... Melanesian ... not asian.

Who gives a flying fig about the infrastructure the Indos are building. They are grubs.

The West Papuans would be better off living the old tribal subsistence way & be primitive rather than have this genocide inflicted on them by greedy Javanese expansionists & western interests.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:13pm
 
Having worked with a family member from a high-ranking Timorese family.
Australia only helped Timor because it took a vast majority profit cut and control in the Diamond Mining and other ventures there.

Either way, Timor was screwed over.

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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #24 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?


10,000 per year for the last 50 years, perhaps? Not really likely. That's like 300+ per day. Even the most casual observer would have seen evidence of this happening in such large numbers. Australia has about 300 murders and manslaughters per year max, and people make a big deal about that. 300 per day getting murdered is something international attention would warrant.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #25 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:43pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:26pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?


10,000 per year for the last 50 years, perhaps? Not really likely. That's like 300+ per day. Even the most casual observer would have seen evidence of this happening in such large numbers. Australia has about 300 murders and manslaughters per year max, and people make a big deal about that. 300 per day getting murdered is something international attention would warrant.



The numbers are correct. Do some research.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #26 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 10:08pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm:

And you understand we're talking about West Papua, not Indonesia, right?

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West Papua is a part of Indonesia. Remember?
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Reply #27 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:02pm
 
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:00pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:53pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:49pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:48pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?
Theres no deliberate attempt to eradicate the west  Papuans, thats nonsense, the deaths have been as a result of the separatist war. There also a lot killings amongst the armed forces being sent there and transimmigrants from other parts of Indonesia,  The Indos are building massive infrastructure in the province and are basically overwhelming the Papuans by numbers, much the same as China is doing with Tibet. 




Someone needs to do their homework.
You got that right. Im curious, when was the last time you were in Indonesia since you seem to know so much about it.
Ah, theres the answer. Never. Oh dear, Mothra babbling again about nothing she any actual knowledge of, frantically googling for blog sites which support her pre conceived ideas.  Nothing to see here folks, same old, same old.


When was the last time you were in West Papua, Rhino?

We're curious.
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #28 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 5:17am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:26pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:38pm:
rhino wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 4:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:40pm:
I think the Australian government secretly wants to see the eradication of the West Papuan people. They rather see the Indonesians controlling the region, than to bother giving the West Papuans welfare the rest of their days.
The Indonesians are overwhelming them rather than trying to eradicate them.  And West Papua is a welfare state to the rest of Indonesia, just as east Timor was.


Utter rubbish. It's genocide. Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed so far.

Do you deny this?


10,000 per year for the last 50 years, perhaps? Not really likely. That's like 300+ per day. Even the most casual observer would have seen evidence of this happening in such large numbers. Australia has about 300 murders and manslaughters per year max, and people make a big deal about that. 300 per day getting murdered is something international attention would warrant.



Yes it would.


Pity 300 dead black fellas, doesn't
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Re: 10 easy ways to take action for West Papua
Reply #29 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 4:03pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
The numbers are correct. Do some research.


Ten thousand murders per year every year? Something like that happening in a country like Australia would have the international community conducting an investigation. I presume that this slaughter in West Papua has tacit international approval?
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