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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #30 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
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Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%. Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?



Can you link to all the polls that have them round 10%


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-oldies-desert...


So 1 poll.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #31 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:16pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%. Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?



Can you link to all the polls that have them round 10%


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-oldies-desert...


So 1 poll.


Fine, pumpkin face, I will find you another poll.

Strange how Bam only provided one poll but you were just fine with that.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #32 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:20pm
 
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%.

Incorrect.

matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?

Essential 30/5/17
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Q. If a Federal Election was held today to which party will you probably give your first preference vote? If not sure, which party are you currently leaning toward? If don’t know – Well which party are you currently leaning to?

Liberal 35%, Nationals 3%, Labor 36%, Greens 11%, Nick Xenophon Team 3%, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation 5%, Other/Independent 7%. (2PP Coalition 47%, Labor 53%)



Okay I will admit then I was wrong. Not lying though because I thought that all the recent polls (ie., from around April) had them at around 10%.

Well that's good, that shows that all the media pile-on and attempts to trash PHON have not only been ignored, but may perhaps have even been shown for what they were, and more people have decided to vote for them.  Smiley

You're right though, let's see how this plays out and where the votes are in September.

If the polls are accurate, One Nation's support is quite soft. The poll I linked was taken about the time that various leaks that were damaging to One Nation were circulating in the media. Some other polls around that time were around 6% or so.

If more scandals of this kind comes out, One Nation's support won't be sustained.


But there have been a few recent scandals and the left-wing have tried to destroy them and yet they stand at 11%. Also, I fail to see how 11% is soft. By your reasoning, 9% is even softer? That is the Green's number.

PHON only received 1.3% of the vote last election. That was a DD so they probably would have won two seats of the four that they have at present. At a normal half-senate federal election 11% would probably translate to around 9 seats, depending where they get the votes. Qld and NSW will of course always be very strong for PHON but they have a smaller yet still prominent presence in WA.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #33 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:55pm
 
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
If the polls are accurate, One Nation's support is quite soft. The poll I linked was taken about the time that various leaks that were damaging to One Nation were circulating in the media. Some other polls around that time were around 6% or so.

If more scandals of this kind comes out, One Nation's support won't be sustained.


But there have been a few recent scandals and the left-wing have tried to destroy them and yet they stand at 11%. Also, I fail to see how 11% is soft. By your reasoning, 9% is even softer? That is the Green's number.

PHON only received 1.3% of the vote last election. That was a DD so they probably would have won two seats of the four that they have at present. At a normal half-senate federal election 11% would probably translate to around 9 seats, depending where they get the votes. Qld and NSW will of course always be very strong for PHON but they have a smaller yet still prominent presence in WA.

It's only ONE POLL.

Now you can try to argue the point about one single 11% poll for ON, but let's be clear about this - the poll figures for ON have been quite volatile. Why? Different polling methodologies perhaps? A real measure of volatility?

Oh, and your feverish speculation about 11% and 9 Senate seats for ON is not going to happen. ON's support is not uniform, but is weak in SA and Tasmania, and not much better in Victoria. Other parties will also direct preferences away from them, so if they're not already close to a quota on first-preference votes they're likely to be stranded. Also, during election campaigns, other parties get to run campaigns too. If that ON volatility is real then a campaign against them to remind the voters of their foibles will reduce their vote, especially if the corruption allegations get a run.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #34 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:58am
 
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%. Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?



Can you link to all the polls that have them round 10%


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-oldies-desert...


So 1 poll.


Fine, pumpkin face, I will find you another poll.

Strange how Bam only provided one poll but you were just fine with that.




Because Bam never made an idiotic statement, like "all the polls". IN fact merely by showing one poll Bam proved his/her point.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #35 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:58am:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:16pm:
Strange how Bam only provided one poll but you were just fine with that.

Because Bam never made an idiotic statement, like "all the polls". IN fact merely by showing one poll Bam proved his/her point.

Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Reply #36 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:35pm
 
There is only 1 "poll" that counts....  Bam knows that.
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Reply #37 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:36pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:35pm:
There is only 1 "poll" that counts....  Bam knows that.



So why is matty focused on all the polls.
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Reply #38 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:36pm:
Grendel wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 1:35pm:
There is only 1 "poll" that counts....  Bam knows that.



So why is matty focused on all the polls.


Who cares?
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Reply #39 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:33pm
 
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
If the polls are accurate, One Nation's support is quite soft. The poll I linked was taken about the time that various leaks that were damaging to One Nation were circulating in the media. Some other polls around that time were around 6% or so.

If more scandals of this kind comes out, One Nation's support won't be sustained.


But there have been a few recent scandals and the left-wing have tried to destroy them and yet they stand at 11%. Also, I fail to see how 11% is soft. By your reasoning, 9% is even softer? That is the Green's number.

PHON only received 1.3% of the vote last election. That was a DD so they probably would have won two seats of the four that they have at present. At a normal half-senate federal election 11% would probably translate to around 9 seats, depending where they get the votes. Qld and NSW will of course always be very strong for PHON but they have a smaller yet still prominent presence in WA.

It's only ONE POLL.

Now you can try to argue the point about one single 11% poll for ON, but let's be clear about this - the poll figures for ON have been quite volatile. Why? Different polling methodologies perhaps? A real measure of volatility?

Oh, and your feverish speculation about 11% and 9 Senate seats for ON is not going to happen. ON's support is not uniform, but is weak in SA and Tasmania, and not much better in Victoria. Other parties will also direct preferences away from them, so if they're not already close to a quota on first-preference votes they're likely to be stranded. Also, during election campaigns, other parties get to run campaigns too. If that ON volatility is real then a campaign against them to remind the voters of their foibles will reduce their vote, especially if the corruption allegations get a run.


They actually haven't been that volatile. Most of the polls that I have seen had them at about 8/9%, close to the 10 but not quite.

This one may well be an outlier but we will see in coming weeks, and nowhere did I state that this 11% is part of a consistent trend. I acknowledged that this is just one poll. Also, yes whilst they have traditionally performed weakly outside of Qld, NSW and WA at the last election they actually came pretty close to getting a seat in each of Tas and SA, Vic was their worst performance, so it is far from impossible that they do pick up seats in those states. And I don't believe that's true. I think that they will get preferences from the Australian Conservatives and LDP.

Also I should just let you know that I know many people who have voted Liberal all their lives (including last election) who have told me that they are voting for her next election. Some of these people were card-carrying conservatives like I used to be, who feel that the Liberals have let them down and are looking for an alternate voice.

You latte-sipping hypocritical sanctimonious Marrickville Newton Glebe dimwits can crow all you want but Pauline ain't going away.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #40 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:58am:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%. Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?



Can you link to all the polls that have them round 10%


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-oldies-desert...


So 1 poll.


Fine, pumpkin face, I will find you another poll.

Strange how Bam only provided one poll but you were just fine with that.




Because Bam never made an idiotic statement, like "all the polls". IN fact merely by showing one poll Bam proved his/her point.


Rectified but the very recent polls have all had them approaching 10%.
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Re: Newspoll: One Nation 11% of the vote!! Greens 9%
Reply #41 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:44am
 
matty wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:35pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:58am:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:16pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
matty wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:15am:
matty wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 1:44am:
Awesome. So much for all those lefties who said that One Nation had peaked and was in terminal decline. 2% higher than the Greens.  Grin

It's only ONE OPINION POLL. One poll does not make a trend.

Where were you when other polls were showing ON on as low as 5%? Keeping your mouth shut, no doubt.


Actually all the polls recently have had them at around 10%. Could you please link one where they were at around 5%?



Can you link to all the polls that have them round 10%


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-oldies-desert...


So 1 poll.


Fine, pumpkin face, I will find you another poll.

Strange how Bam only provided one poll but you were just fine with that.




Because Bam never made an idiotic statement, like "all the polls". IN fact merely by showing one poll Bam proved his/her point.


Rectified but the very recent polls have all had them approaching 10%.



You dont count 3 weeks ago as very recent?
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Reply #42 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:46am
 
matty wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
Now you can try to argue the point about one single 11% poll for ON, but let's be clear about this - the poll figures for ON have been quite volatile. Why? Different polling methodologies perhaps? A real measure of volatility?

They actually haven't been that volatile. Most of the polls that I have seen had them at about 8/9%, close to the 10 but not quite.

You can't have seen many polls then. That Essential poll I linked had them at 5%, but there were other polls by Essential around that time when they were around 6% and 7%. It helps to look at ALL the polls not just the ones where ON has higher figures due to house bias. Poll aggregators like Bludgertrack (see Pollbludger) have them around 7%-8%.
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Reply #43 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 10:04am
 
Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:46am:
matty wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
Now you can try to argue the point about one single 11% poll for ON, but let's be clear about this - the poll figures for ON have been quite volatile. Why? Different polling methodologies perhaps? A real measure of volatility?

They actually haven't been that volatile. Most of the polls that I have seen had them at about 8/9%, close to the 10 but not quite.

You can't have seen many polls then. That Essential poll I linked had them at 5%, but there were other polls by Essential around that time when they were around 6% and 7%. It helps to look at ALL the polls not just the ones where ON has higher figures due to house bias. Poll aggregators like Bludgertrack (see Pollbludger) have them around 7%-8%.


Fair enough, I must have been reading those aggregate polls then because I wasn't making it up or lying. Let's see where it is in a few months.
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Reply #44 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 10:19am
 
matty wrote on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 10:04am:
Bam wrote on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:46am:
matty wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:33pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:55pm:
Now you can try to argue the point about one single 11% poll for ON, but let's be clear about this - the poll figures for ON have been quite volatile. Why? Different polling methodologies perhaps? A real measure of volatility?

They actually haven't been that volatile. Most of the polls that I have seen had them at about 8/9%, close to the 10 but not quite.

You can't have seen many polls then. That Essential poll I linked had them at 5%, but there were other polls by Essential around that time when they were around 6% and 7%. It helps to look at ALL the polls not just the ones where ON has higher figures due to house bias. Poll aggregators like Bludgertrack (see Pollbludger) have them around 7%-8%.


Fair enough, I must have been reading those aggregate polls then because I wasn't making it up or lying. Let's see where it is in a few months.



After the autism comments lets see where it is next week.
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