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Reply #210 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 11:02am
 
As, obviously, the council have 'approved' this development/refurbishment, the council (their Managing Agents) are wholly responsible for any refurbishment (flammable cladding) which caused the fire to take hold.
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Reply #211 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 10:53am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 18th, 2017 at 8:19am:
Builders are the same all over the world.  If they can get away with it some of them will cut corners to make profit.

A friend of mine, who is a builder, was saying when the council inspector came round to check a shed he was putting up he asked him why he was using twice as many screws as they required.

So it won't blow over in high winds he told him.


This work would have to be tendered for, to get on the 'Tender List' and then be 'short listed' they would have to be accredited. A company is invited to tender for the work only after they have received a Specification and have agreed to all terms and conditions therein. The managing agents on behalf of the council would issue these specifications which would detail the work required and as a rule are agreed by the contractor when they are signed and returned to the managing agent. The contractor of course retains a copy of such Specification for their own records.

It is the responsibility of the managing agent to inspect such work at every stage and approve it or otherwise. If the work is 'shoddy' or does not comply with the Specification, logically, it wouldn't be approved.



I heard on the radio today that it's possible
that the cladding used on the tower was illegal in Britain.
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Reply #212 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.
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Reply #213 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.

The Queen will have to roll out her Annus horribilis speech again this year.

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Reply #214 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.

The Queen will have to roll out her Annus horribilis speech again this year.




It's criminal - I hope we see justice for them.
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Reply #215 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.

The Queen will have to roll out her Annus horribilis speech again this year.




It's criminal - I hope we see justice for them.


In what way will that 'justice' manifest itself, Sir Bobby?
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Reply #216 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.

The Queen will have to roll out her Annus horribilis speech again this year.




It's criminal - I hope we see justice for them.


In what way will that 'justice' manifest itself, Sir Bobby?


This is where Booby confuses justice with revenge.

Just wait ...
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Reply #217 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:09pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.

The Queen will have to roll out her Annus horribilis speech again this year.




It's criminal - I hope we see justice for them.


In what way will that 'justice' manifest itself, Sir Bobby?




Well we can't have a hanging under British law so

we'll have to accept life imprisonment for all the guilty parties.
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Reply #218 - Jun 19th, 2017 at 9:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
ABC 24 latest news -

confirmed 79 people have died at the tower.


Jesus!

That's just so sad.

Those poor people.  A horrible way to die.


Agreed.
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Reply #219 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:46pm
 
London fire: 600 other high-rises could be under threat

By James Masters, CNN

Updated 1217 GMT (2017 HKT) June 22, 2017

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/europe/grenfell-tower-fire-theresa-may/index.h...



London (CNN)The British government has estimated that 600 high-rise buildings across England may be covered in cladding similar to that used on Grenfell Tower, the 24-story apartment block that was gutted by a huge fire in west London last week.
As of Thursday morning, combustible cladding has been found on at least three tower blocks in the UK, according to the Department for Communities and Local Government.
British Prime Minister Theresa May said Thursday that at least 100 buildings a day are being tested, with residents being informed of the findings.

"In terms of how many buildings and how many homes have this type of cladding, the estimate provided to us by councils is that there are approximately 600 high-rise buildings with similar cladding," a Downing Street spokeswoman said.
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Reply #220 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 7:18am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jun 19th, 2017 at 11:02am:
As, obviously, the council have 'approved' this development/refurbishment, the council (their Managing Agents) are wholly responsible for any refurbishment (flammable cladding) which caused the fire to take hold.



there will be a massive and as there should be investigation!   you watch it will mean massive changes to the laws .. as from what little I know   this cladding should not even have be allowed in the country...  fires elsewhere prove its  not fire proof..

if this was kids pyjamas  they would not be allowed to sell them......

someone has taken their eye off the ball. Angry Angry Angry Angry at huge cost.....
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Reply #221 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
The authorities have been suppressing the true death toll which is speculated as being as high as 300.

Perhaps the authorities have been misallocating resources to Jihadists when the biggest danger to UK citizens is UK officials.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/grenfell-survivors-tell-death-toll-far-higher-police...

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... Residents, neighbours, friends and families say they know the number of dead is far higher than the official total of 79 officially declared by police, and therefore reported by the media. I believe them. Celia Grave, a barrister at Garden Court chambers who lives nearby, told me on the record that: ‘“While it is accepted by most people that the actual figure of the deceased can only be provided once there has been proper confirmation, those who are heavily involved do not feel their voices have been heard. The incremental increase in numbers of dead diminishes the impact of a significant loss of life. “Rough estimates are that at least 300 people are missing, presumed dead. It’s an insult to everyone’s intelligence to, on the one hand, portray the total devastation of the burnt out flats, whilst in the same breath suggesting that a limited number of people have died.” A makeshift poster put up at the Latimer Community Church on Sunday (see main picture, above) reads: “500-600 resident; 108 hospital or hostels; 68 dead( the figure then); 324 where are they? Who is doing the maths?” ...



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Reply #222 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 5:22pm
 
for sure its going to be higher.....maybe they put the numbers on those identified already...many would have been found in their apartments...I am guessing of course..

its absolutely horrific  however I dont see how they can work any faster...its a crime scene   they have to find how and where it started...parts I am sure of the building cannot be accessed...too dangerous...

it is terrible for the families and friends   wish I was there so at least I could do something their whole world has gone....and of course they want answers  and now, not later.. but sadly its doesnt work like that...

if they suppress anything it will only come back to haunt them.. as it is its already a huge mess for the authorities.....what on earth would they gain from suppressing this...

if they know how many are dead   why not tell those who matter at least......it would be too cruel to do otherwise.. Sad
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Reply #223 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 5:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:46pm:
London fire: 600 other high-rises could be under threat

By James Masters, CNN

Updated 1217 GMT (2017 HKT) June 22, 2017

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/europe/grenfell-tower-fire-theresa-may/index.h...



London (CNN)The British government has estimated that 600 high-rise buildings across England may be covered in cladding similar to that used on Grenfell Tower, the 24-story apartment block that was gutted by a huge fire in west London last week.
As of Thursday morning, combustible cladding has been found on at least three tower blocks in the UK, according to the Department for Communities and Local Government.
British Prime Minister Theresa May said Thursday that at least 100 buildings a day are being tested, with residents being informed of the findings.

"In terms of how many buildings and how many homes have this type of cladding, the estimate provided to us by councils is that there are approximately 600 high-rise buildings with similar cladding," a Downing Street spokeswoman said.



it should never have been allowed in the country....


who job is it to see they dont import junk like this.??

same in this country...

Bobby you and I have no control over what is sold to us...so who allows a product like this   which has caused death traps elsewhere in the world....to enter a country??????????
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Reply #224 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 8:46pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 3:56pm:
Perhaps the authorities have been misallocating resources to Jihadists when the biggest danger to UK citizens is UK officials.


You sure got that right.

But the horse has long since bolted.

It's now all about immigrants, refugees, visa over-stayers, nig-nogs, Muslims, Pakis, Indians, Arabs, and Christ knows what other blow-ins since the Brits fought a battle in the skies to save their homeland from invasion.


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