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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #315 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
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Not for their want of trying.

Islamic terrorism is perpetual and world-wide with a world-wide aim and world-wide justification: it is not about local issues, locally defined, locally resolved. No.. it is always about Muslim 'self-defence' against the infidels and apostates everywhere. That's why they target and kill girls at a concert, people on a beach or a market, school children in a school, a police employee on the street, office workers in high-rise buildings, commuters on trains and buses - all those people were enemies of Allah. That's all you need to be to be targeted.



Ah, OK, I'll take that as an admission on your part that I was correct - non-Islamic Terrorism has been a greater danger to Australians than Islamic Terrorism.  Thank you, Soren.   You just prove how far you are motivated by Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Do not take it like that. There has been no more Islamic terrorist attacks because of the great number that has been intercepted and stopped. And Islamic terror is a far greater threat to Australia and most other Western countries than any other kind of ideologically motivated world-wide campaign - because there isn't any other and because Islamic terrorism has proved itself to be by far the bloodies, most gruesome and barbaric. And it's perpetrators are people the West has given shelter to. 

Don't gloat about how stupid you are Bwian.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of interest here, just poor ol' Soren's usual ad hominem arguments.  Tsk, tsk.   Shame he always resorts to that rather than admit that he got it wrong.   Roll Eyes

What did I get wrong, Auntie Bwian? Do tell us.



Read back, Soren.  It's most illuminating what was said here.   Your attempt to hide it by editing, hasn't worked.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #316 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 2:17pm:
Not for their want of trying.

Islamic terrorism is perpetual and world-wide with a world-wide aim and world-wide justification: it is not about local issues, locally defined, locally resolved. No.. it is always about Muslim 'self-defence' against the infidels and apostates everywhere. That's why they target and kill girls at a concert, people on a beach or a market, school children in a school, a police employee on the street, office workers in high-rise buildings, commuters on trains and buses - all those people were enemies of Allah. That's all you need to be to be targeted.



Ah, OK, I'll take that as an admission on your part that I was correct - non-Islamic Terrorism has been a greater danger to Australians than Islamic Terrorism.  Thank you, Soren.   You just prove how far you are motivated by Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Do not take it like that. There has been no more Islamic terrorist attacks because of the great number that has been intercepted and stopped. And Islamic terror is a far greater threat to Australia and most other Western countries than any other kind of ideologically motivated world-wide campaign - because there isn't any other and because Islamic terrorism has proved itself to be by far the bloodies, most gruesome and barbaric. And it's perpetrators are people the West has given shelter to. 

Don't gloat about how stupid you are Bwian.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of interest here, just poor ol' Soren's usual ad hominem arguments.  Tsk, tsk.   Shame he always resorts to that rather than admit that he got it wrong.   Roll Eyes

tsk, tsk, tsk bwian, oh dearie dearie me...  you don't have to keep proving what a lying hypocrite you are... we all know already.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #317 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 2:17pm:
Not for their want of trying.

Islamic terrorism is perpetual and world-wide with a world-wide aim and world-wide justification: it is not about local issues, locally defined, locally resolved. No.. it is always about Muslim 'self-defence' against the infidels and apostates everywhere. That's why they target and kill girls at a concert, people on a beach or a market, school children in a school, a police employee on the street, office workers in high-rise buildings, commuters on trains and buses - all those people were enemies of Allah. That's all you need to be to be targeted.



Ah, OK, I'll take that as an admission on your part that I was correct - non-Islamic Terrorism has been a greater danger to Australians than Islamic Terrorism.  Thank you, Soren.   You just prove how far you are motivated by Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Do not take it like that. There has been no more Islamic terrorist attacks because of the great number that has been intercepted and stopped. And Islamic terror is a far greater threat to Australia and most other Western countries than any other kind of ideologically motivated world-wide campaign - because there isn't any other and because Islamic terrorism has proved itself to be by far the bloodies, most gruesome and barbaric. And it's perpetrators are people the West has given shelter to. 

Don't gloat about how stupid you are Bwian.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of interest here, just poor ol' Soren's usual ad hominem arguments.  Tsk, tsk.   Shame he always resorts to that rather than admit that he got it wrong.   Roll Eyes

What did I get wrong, Auntie Bwian? Do tell us.



Read back, Soren.  It's most illuminating what was said here.   Your attempt to hide it by editing, hasn't worked.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You have not decoupled islam from the jihad we have been seeing for a few decades now, Brian.
When you show us the difference in what muslims believe, you may have a point. Until then my case stands. You cant tell muslims from muslims until one of them acts out his beliefs. Thats the only difference - some act out their beliefs, others don't.

But they all believe in the same islam, the same unalterable koran, the same warlord mohammed.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #318 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 11:31am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
Nope.  No "submission" from me.   I believe everybody is innocent until proven guilty, SW.   Everybody deserves a free and fair chance to prove themselves, one way to t'other.   Muslims should be respected until they show they don't deserve it.   Ordinary, everyday, moderate, law-abiding Muslims are innocent of any crime, except in the minds of Islamophobes.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #319 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:44pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 2:17pm:
Not for their want of trying.

Islamic terrorism is perpetual and world-wide with a world-wide aim and world-wide justification: it is not about local issues, locally defined, locally resolved. No.. it is always about Muslim 'self-defence' against the infidels and apostates everywhere. That's why they target and kill girls at a concert, people on a beach or a market, school children in a school, a police employee on the street, office workers in high-rise buildings, commuters on trains and buses - all those people were enemies of Allah. That's all you need to be to be targeted.



Ah, OK, I'll take that as an admission on your part that I was correct - non-Islamic Terrorism has been a greater danger to Australians than Islamic Terrorism.  Thank you, Soren.   You just prove how far you are motivated by Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Do not take it like that. There has been no more Islamic terrorist attacks because of the great number that has been intercepted and stopped. And Islamic terror is a far greater threat to Australia and most other Western countries than any other kind of ideologically motivated world-wide campaign - because there isn't any other and because Islamic terrorism has proved itself to be by far the bloodies, most gruesome and barbaric. And it's perpetrators are people the West has given shelter to. 

Don't gloat about how stupid you are Bwian.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing of interest here, just poor ol' Soren's usual ad hominem arguments.  Tsk, tsk.   Shame he always resorts to that rather than admit that he got it wrong.   Roll Eyes

What did I get wrong, Auntie Bwian? Do tell us.



Read back, Soren.  It's most illuminating what was said here.   Your attempt to hide it by editing, hasn't worked.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You have not decoupled islam from the jihad we have been seeing for a few decades now, Brian.


You have not decoupled Christianity from the Christian Terrorism we have seen inflicted on innocent people for centuries, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   You have not decoupled Hinduism from the Hindu Terrorism we have seen inflicted on people for the last 100+ years.  Nor Buddhism from the Buddhist Terrorism and so on and so on.

Get back to us when you've managed that, OK?

In reality, all religious teachings are open to interpretation, Soren.  Islam, Christianity, etc.   It is the interpretation that the reader places on the words they read that enables them to distort and use them to provide inspiration and cover for their acts of brutality and cruelty.

When you realise that the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding, assimilated Muslims are just as much the enemy of the minority of Islamist Terrorists, as you are, Soren, you might learn to accept them as your fellow Australians.   Tolerance and decency are what guide civilised peoples.  It's a shame you've either never learnt them or have decided to discard them in favour of hatred, intolerance and bigotry.   You'll never be a true Australian.  You'd be better off going home to Denmark where your qualities are tolerated, it seems.   Or are they?   Tsk, tsk.  Oh, and when you reread your own words and you acknowledge your failure to make a point, we might start having a discussion, instead of your usual resorting to Islamophobia and ad hominem argument. Roll Eyes

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #320 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
You have not decoupled Christianity from the Christian Terrorism we have seen inflicted on innocent people for centuries, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.   You have not decoupled Hinduism from the Hindu Terrorism we have seen inflicted on people for the last 100+ years.  Nor Buddhism from the Buddhist Terrorism and so on and so on.

Get back to us when you've managed that, OK?

In reality, all religious teachings are open to interpretation, Soren.  Islam, Christianity, etc.   It is the interpretation that the reader places on the words they read that enables them to distort and use them to provide inspiration and cover for their acts of brutality and cruelty.

When you realise that the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding, assimilated Muslims are just as much the enemy of the minority of Islamist Terrorists, as you are, Soren, you might learn to accept them as your fellow Australians.   Tolerance and decency are what guide civilised peoples.  It's a shame you've either never learnt them or have decided to discard them in favour of hatred, intolerance and bigotry.   You'll never be a true Australian.  You'd be better off going home to Denmark where your qualities are tolerated, it seems.   Or are they?   Tsk, tsk.  Oh, and when you reread your own words and you acknowledge your failure to make a point, we might start having a discussion, instead of your usual resorting to Islamophobia and ad hominem argument. Roll Eyes




Islamic terrorism is happening NOW, Brian, it's actually happening!!!!  This is not about history, it's about what's happening NOW.

In any case, Christianity has been decoupled from power by the very real and lasting separation of Church and State. Muslims should do the same but cannot because of Mohammed.

As for Hindus, I am not aware of a Hindu jihad across the West. Are you?


And I do not want to tolerate jihadis and their belief system, no matter how often you try to make it out as if that was the decent thing to do. That is the stupid thing to do. I do not tolerate totalitarians, be they Islamic, Communist, Nazi or the PC thought police like you.


There is no 'radical' Islam and 'moderate' Islam. There is Islam and Muslims who accept and enanct it entirely and Muslims who may accept it but do not enact it. They are not reforming it, they are not changing it - they just do not enact it to the letter.

But the doctrine, the book, the unalterable final word of Allah is one.




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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #321 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
ROTFLMAO....  bwian has been around for centuries now...  oh dear...  no longer just a Dr of Divinity he's actually become Divine.
Come on bwian fair shake of the Rudd sauce bottle eh.
That list you keep avoiding to provide is not helping your credibility is it?
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #322 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Islamic terrorism is happening NOW, Brian, it's actually happening!!!!  This is not about history, it's about what's happening NOW.


Yes, so?  Until you understand the historical events which have led to why people choose noe, today, to commit Terrorism, you'll never prevent it from occuring, Soren.   History is what makes us, us.   History is one second ago.   The events of yesterday, last week, last month, last year, a decade ago, a century ago are what drive people like this, like you.   Time you woke up to yourself, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   History betrays nearly everything you claim about Islam and Muslims.   It provides other examples, other events which overturn your claims about Islam being unique.    Roll Eyes

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In any case, Christianity has been decoupled from power by the very real and lasting separation of Church and State. Muslims should do the same but cannot because of Mohammed.


Soren, Soren, the separation of Church and State is a fantasy inside your head.  The Church still controls the minds of many, many people who are politicians.   "Give me a child until the age of seven and I will then give you the man," suggested Aristotle.   Ignatius of Loyola, he who founded the Society of Jesus - the Jesuits, repeated that phrase.   Most religions nowadays teach children the basis tenants of their religious beliefs.  Some continue to obey them.  Just look at the relationship between Tone Rabbit and his confessor, George Pell and the issue of RU486.   In the US, the division is even weaker with religion controlling the thinking of many, many legislators.   Tsk, tsk,  fouled again by history, hey, Soren?   Roll Eyes

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As for Hindus, I am not aware of a Hindu jihad across the West. Are you?


There is a Hindu "Jihad" against Muslims, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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And I do not want to tolerate jihadis and their belief system, no matter how often you try to make it out as if that was the decent thing to do. That is the stupid thing to do. I do not tolerate totalitarians, be they Islamic, Communist, Nazi or the PC thought police like you.


But you'll tolerate the Christian Crusade against Islam, now won't,  you, Soren?   You tolerate the Nazi Jihad against the Jews, the Romany, Gays, etc.  Tsk, tsk, history once more trips you up...    Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #323 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:38pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Islamic terrorism is happening NOW, Brian, it's actually happening!!!!  This is not about history, it's about what's happening NOW.


Yes, so?  Until you understand the historical events which have led to why people choose noe, today, to commit Terrorism, you'll never prevent it from occuring, Soren.   History is what makes us, us.   History is one second ago.   The events of yesterday, last week, last month, last year, a decade ago, a century ago are what drive people like this, like you.   Time you woke up to yourself, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   History betrays nearly everything you claim about Islam and Muslims.   It provides other examples, other events which overturn your claims about Islam being unique.    Roll Eyes




Islam has been violent from the very beginning and has never been anything else. And as long as Muslims accept the Koran and Mohammed, it will always remain a violent ideology.

That's history for you.

There is no 'historic' justification for bombing a Manchester concert or driving trucks into crowds celebrating or shopping or just going about their business. There is no historic explanation for Islamic jihad in the West by people who have been taken in and given a chance for a decent life.
But there are plenty of Islamic justifications for all these events.



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Reply #324 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
There is a Hindu "Jihad" against Muslims, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes




Where?

Don't tell me - in India. Which the Muslims invaded.
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Reply #325 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:42pm
 
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But you'll tolerate the Christian Crusade against Islam, now won't,  you, Soren? 


Has it started already?

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Do I? The Nazis were defeated long before i was born, you silly old aunt.


There is a Muslim jihad against all those people, especially the jews and Chrisstians.

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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #326 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Islamic terrorism is happening NOW, Brian, it's actually happening!!!!  This is not about history, it's about what's happening NOW.


Yes, so?  Until you understand the historical events which have led to why people choose noe, today, to commit Terrorism, you'll never prevent it from occuring, Soren.   History is what makes us, us.   History is one second ago.   The events of yesterday, last week, last month, last year, a decade ago, a century ago are what drive people like this, like you.   Time you woke up to yourself, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   History betrays nearly everything you claim about Islam and Muslims.   It provides other examples, other events which overturn your claims about Islam being unique.    Roll Eyes



Islam has been violent from the very beginning and has never been anything else. And as long as Muslims accept the Koran and Mohammed, it will always remain a violent ideology.

That's history for you.


No, that is your (mistaken) interpretation of history.  Roll Eyes
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There is no 'historic' justification for bombing a Manchester concert or driving trucks into crowds celebrating or shopping or just going about their business. There is no historic explanation for Islamic jihad in the West by people who have been taken in and given a chance for a decent life.



Could not agree more.  Just as there is no justification for the use of Weapons of Massed Destruction, land mines, machine guns, etc., etc., yet it was Christians who invented those things and used them, repeatedly against each other and anybody else who stood in their way, Soren.    Roll Eyes

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But there are plenty of Islamic justifications for all these events.


And Christian justifications for similar events, Soren.  What is your excuse for them, I wonder?  Hmmmm?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #327 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
There is a Hindu "Jihad" against Muslims, Soren.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes




Where?

Don't tell me - in India. Which the Muslims invaded.


Yep but guess what, the Muslims who end up dead are Indians.   Islam is a religion that exists in India and will continue to exist there.  There are over 172 million Muslims there.  They aren't going to disappear overnight.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #328 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
But you'll tolerate the Christian Crusade against Islam, now won't,  you, Soren? 


Has it started already?


Yes.  Forgotten the Christian invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq already, Soren?  Tsk, tsk. history trips you up again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Do I? The Nazis were defeated long before i was born, you silly old aunt.


I've never seen you once criticise the Nazis for the Holocaust, Soren.   Tsk, tsk, what was it your daddy did again?  Sweep the floors?   Roll Eyes

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There is a Muslim jihad against all those people, especially the jews and Chrisstians.


There is a Jihad by some Muslims, not all Muslims, Soren.  Using your logic, my description of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as a "crusade" is perfectly correct.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #329 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:11pm:
But you'll tolerate the Christian Crusade against Islam, now won't,  you, Soren? 


Has it started already?


Yes.  Forgotten the Christian invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq already, Soren?  Tsk, tsk. history trips you up again, hey?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



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You stupid bloody mujahadeen, you!!! Listen to you! "Christian invasion"!!!!

Low contempt for you is correct.

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