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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #210 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #211 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm  
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #212 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm  
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes


I'm not, Brian. My point is that everyone knows what Paul's views were. I agree that the patriarchy of the Catholic church might have promoted misogyny.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #213 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.


True, but it's not a global movement, and they're not preaching for world domination.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #214 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:47pm  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.


True, but it's not a global movement, and they're not preaching for world domination.


Not even ISIS makes that claim, Augie. While phoney, they make the ambitious claim to be fighting for the borders of the Caliphate, circa 1100 or so.

No other Muslim group in the last few hundred years has sought expansion at all.

Always absolutely never ever, eh?
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #215 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:59pm  
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.


True, but it's not a global movement, and they're not preaching for world domination.


Not even ISIS makes that claim, Augie. While phoney, they make the ambitious claim to be fighting for the borders of the Caliphate, circa 1100 or so.

No other Muslim group in the last few hundred years has sought expansion at all.

Always absolutely never ever, eh?


So, why are they organizing attacks in the West? My understanding is that they're a global movement. I agree, I think we should let them have their 'historical borders' but then they'd want Israel and the Jews out.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #216 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes


I'm not, Brian. My point is that everyone knows what Paul's views were. I agree that the patriarchy of the Catholic church might have promoted misogyny.


So, you're making excuses for Christian Terrorism, Augie?  Tsk, tsk.  You are shaping up to be an apologist for fundamental Christianity.   You appear to accept the teachings of Paul and the other parts of The Bible which promote it.   Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #217 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:22pm  
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes


I'm not, Brian. My point is that everyone knows what Paul's views were. I agree that the patriarchy of the Catholic church might have promoted misogyny.


So, you're making excuses for Christian Terrorism, Augie?  Tsk, tsk.  You are shaping up to be an apologist for fundamental Christianity.   You appear to accept the teachings of Paul and the other parts of The Bible which promote it.   Roll Eyes


No, I don't. I think Paul was a**hole. He perverted the religion of Christianity away from Jesus' teachings. That's why I don't take stock in what he says.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #218 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:47pm  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.


True, but it's not a global movement, and they're not preaching for world domination.


Not even ISIS makes that claim, Augie. While phoney, they make the ambitious claim to be fighting for the borders of the Caliphate, circa 1100 or so.

No other Muslim group in the last few hundred years has sought expansion at all.

Always absolutely never ever, eh?


So, why are they organizing attacks in the West? My understanding is that they're a global movement. I agree, I think we should let them have their 'historical borders' but then they'd want Israel and the Jews out.


I have no idea why they're organising attacks in the West, Augie, and I don't think they do either.

But I definitely don't think ISIL should be in charge of any borders. The Islamic caliphates are history.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't want Oliver Cromwell or the Popes in charge these days either.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #219 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 10:12pm  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes


I'm not, Brian. My point is that everyone knows what Paul's views were. I agree that the patriarchy of the Catholic church might have promoted misogyny.


So, you're making excuses for Christian Terrorism, Augie?  Tsk, tsk.  You are shaping up to be an apologist for fundamental Christianity.   You appear to accept the teachings of Paul and the other parts of The Bible which promote it.   Roll Eyes


No, I don't. I think Paul was a**hole. He perverted the religion of Christianity away from Jesus' teachings. That's why I don't take stock in what he says.



That's you, Augie, what about all them Fundamentalist Christians who believe that The Bible is divinely inspired?   They cannot ignore it's teaching, now can they?  Tsk, tsk, always making excuses, you're shaping up to be an apologist for Christian Fundamentalism, you know, the type that commits Terrorism?   Roll Eyes
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #220 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 11:22pm  
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 10:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes


I'm not, Brian. My point is that everyone knows what Paul's views were. I agree that the patriarchy of the Catholic church might have promoted misogyny.


So, you're making excuses for Christian Terrorism, Augie?  Tsk, tsk.  You are shaping up to be an apologist for fundamental Christianity.   You appear to accept the teachings of Paul and the other parts of The Bible which promote it.   Roll Eyes


No, I don't. I think Paul was a**hole. He perverted the religion of Christianity away from Jesus' teachings. That's why I don't take stock in what he says.



That's you, Augie, what about all them Fundamentalist Christians who believe that The Bible is divinely inspired?   They cannot ignore it's teaching, now can they?  Tsk, tsk, always making excuses, you're shaping up to be an apologist for Christian Fundamentalism, you know, the type that commits Terrorism?   Roll Eyes


Well if I am that is not my intention. I don't condone any violence or oppression from any religion.
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Re: I wonder how the Islamophobes will deny this?
Reply #221 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 8:04am  
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:47pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 7:01pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Lets dispense with this myth that there aren't christian fundamentalist terrorist rampaging around and killing en-masse. Its happening and its been happening for centuries. Today its mostly in Africa, there are numerous groups and the Lords Resistance Army certainly isn't the only one. And its not just terrorism - all the barbaric stereotypes we associate with Islam - stoning, FGM, honour killings - you name it - most of these things are far more prevalent amongst christian societies in Africa than they are amongst muslims in Africa.


True, but it's not a global movement, and they're not preaching for world domination.


Not even ISIS makes that claim, Augie. While phoney, they make the ambitious claim to be fighting for the borders of the Caliphate, circa 1100 or so.

No other Muslim group in the last few hundred years has sought expansion at all.

Always absolutely never ever, eh?


So, why are they organizing attacks in the West? My understanding is that they're a global movement. I agree, I think we should let them have their 'historical borders' but then they'd want Israel and the Jews out.


Apparently Al Qaeda is global - and they want to destroy western societies from within. ISIS are different as they are carving out and defending real physical borders. During the occupation of Iraq one of the knucklehead's favourite justifications for its continuation was that its better to have the terrorists occupied fighting our military over there than bombing us in our homeland. I suspect ISIS operate under the same operandi - keep western resources occupied in fighting terrorists at home - and reduce the attacks on the caliphate.
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Reply #222 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 8:09am  
Also, you need to understand that ISIS are operating under a 'end of days' scenario - where their brand of Islam dictates the final battle will be fought in the ME (specifically, an actual town in Syria, which interestingly ISIS recently lost). This is where Jesus will descend from heaven and spear the Islamic equivalent of the anti-Christ, and lead the muslims to victory - thus paving the ways for judgement day.
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Reply #223 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:08am  
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 6:01pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 3:58pm:
Its different because most christians agree that the bible was written by human beings who held a variety of opinions and wrote about their experiences. The Quran is considered the actual and literal word of god; hermeneutics is more difficult to achieve in the Quran.

Second, Paul was a complicated character. I think he changed his mind half the time and spoke with passion.

Third Paul's teachings are always seen as secondary to Jesus' teachings.


You're making excuses, Augie.   Stop being an apologist for fundamental Christianity.    Roll Eyes

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Reply #224 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 1:11pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 8:09am:
Also, you need to understand that ISIS are operating under a 'end of days' scenario - where their brand of Islam dictates the final battle will be fought in the ME (specifically, an actual town in Syria, which interestingly ISIS recently lost). This is where Jesus will descend from heaven and spear the Islamic equivalent of the anti-Christ, and lead the muslims to victory - thus paving the ways for judgement day.


Not too different from some popular American Christian narratives. For them, every war from the Cold War to the 2003 invasion of Iraq has signified the introduction of the End Times, where the anti-Christ will arise and be killed and Jesus will return to separate the sheep from the goats.

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